Trades?

[Randy Red Sox]

Unless something unexpected and unusual happens tonight/tomorrow , this deadline just reinforces that the Red Sox ownership and FO philosophy will be to control costs, take few if any chances, develop from within and hope for the best a year or two out.

 

This franchise will NOT try to buy its way to a dominant team. Breslow was neither a buyer nor seller despite any prior claims, barring a big deal in the next 18 hours.

 

yeah but it'll be full throttle in the offseason

[moonslav59]

Montas to MIL- no miss there.

[moonslav59]

Unless something unexpected and unusual happens tonight/tomorrow , this deadline just reinforces that the Red Sox ownership and FO philosophy will be to control costs, take few if any chances, develop from within and hope for the best a year or two out.

 

This franchise will NOT try to buy its way to a dominant team. Breslow was neither a buyer nor seller despite any prior claims, barring a big deal in the next 18 hours.

 

So far, there was no "lane" chosen.

 

The Yorke for Priester deal was basically 2 young players with 5-6 years of control for each other. An everyday player for a pitcher is a nice idea, but it's not a "lane."

 

Paxton is more like a Tommy Pham, Hosmer type deal than a true "buy lane" deal.

 

There is still a few hours to change this, but I'm not expecting much.

 

That Fedde deal looks like "the missed deal" of the deadline, so far. I can't imagine we could not have beaten that return with a couple 10-20 ranked prospects.

[moonslav59]

Would that be considered a “ buyer” move?

 

Getting something truly meaningful.

[Duran Is The Man]

Getting something truly meaningful.

 

i wonder what the Tigers would want from Boston for Skubal.

[Larry Cook]

So far Breslow has followed the company line perfectly. he has add a couple of pieces we need [sP and RH bat] that didn't cost a lot of $$ and we added a young P prospect. what else were you expecting?

 

Can bres-slow find another preister for meidroth and lugo???

[moonslav59]

i wonder what the Tigers would want from Boston for Skubal.

 

To me, he is the guy you go all out to get. His type are usually only traded in winters, when they happen, at all.

 

Crochett with 2 years left might be a distant second.

 

I'd start with offering one of these two combos and add some mid levels to sweeten the deal:

 

Anthony and Campbell

 

Mayer and Teel

 

Maybe Anthony and Teel. Basically, try not to part with Anthony and Mayer or 3 of the top 4.

 

We might have to add Bleis or Cespedes, plus one from Sandlin, E R-C or Fitts.

 

My guess is an Anthony, Teel, Cespedes and Sandlin offer might be one no other team would or could top. (That might be too rich for me, too.)

[moonslav59]

Can bres-slow find another preister for meidroth and lugo???

 

That might be what he's looking for, which to me is not picking a lane.

 

Her is a Q: if Priester was still a prospect, would he be ranked ahead of Fitts, Sandlin? Ahead of E R-C or Dobbins?

Edited July 30, 2024 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Rumors:

 

Yanks and Astros in on Yandy Diaz.

 

Yanks and Sox apparently in on Taillon.

 

Yanks also in on Flaherty.

[Duran Is The Man]

To me, he is the guy you go all out to get. His type are usually only traded in winters, when they happen, at all.

 

Crochett with 2 years left might be a distant second.

 

I'd start with offering one of these two combos and add some mid levels to sweeten the deal:

 

Anthony and Campbell

 

Mayer and Teel

 

Maybe Anthony and Teel. Basically, try not to part with Anthony and Mayer or 3 of the top 4.

 

We might have to add Bleis or Cespedes, plus one from Sandlin, E R-C or Fitts.

 

My guess is an Anthony, Teel, Cespedes and Sandlin offer might be one no other team would or could top. (That might be too rich for me, too.)

 

i'm sure Henry would be all over any of those. the $$ cost would be minimal. anything to keep from spending on a free agent pitcher this winter.

[moonslav59]

i'm sure Henry would be all over any of those. the $$ cost would be minimal. anything to keep from spending on a free agent pitcher this winter.

 

Skubal has 2 arb years left and may not want to sign an extension, but getting JH to offer one would likely be the biggest obstacle, anyway.

 

I'm not sure this is what JH might do, because keeping the top prospects would cost less than Skubal.

[moonslav59]

Braves get Jorge Soler RHB.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Skubal has 2 arb years left and may not want to sign an extension, but getting JH to offer one would likely be the biggest obstacle, anyway.

 

I'm not sure this is what JH might do, because keeping the top prospects would cost less than Skubal.

 

Not sold on Skubal. His comps on baseball-reference are concerning; number 5 on Similar Pitchers through 26 is Ralph Birkofer... we need a stopper who can hold more than just Birk to an ofer.

 

Birkofer, who mostly pitched for Pittsburgh in the 1930s, had a career WAR of 3.5 (less than 2024 Skubal's 5.3 in half a season). His own number 4 Similar Pitcher was Dizzy Dismukes, from the Negro National League in the 1920s. Number 10 was Harley Payne, because that's all you felt if you got hit by a Birkofer pitch...

[Hitch]

Kikuchi to the Astros

 

For an absolutely ridiculous price.

 

If you're bringing that back for Kikuchi, I'm dangling Pivetta for sure.

[Randy Red Sox]

Braves get Jorge Soler RHB.

 

Zzzzzz

[Bellhorn04]

For an absolutely ridiculous price.

 

If you're bringing that back for Kikuchi, I'm dangling Pivetta for sure.

 

Craig can't do that, not at this point. He'd look worse than Bloom did the last two years, because it would be a flip-flop on what he's been saying and reportedly trying to do, which is add pitching.

[Hitch]

Craig can't do that, not at this point. He'd look worse than Bloom did the last two years, because it would be a flip-flop on what he's been saying and reportedly trying to do, which is add pitching.

 

Still get other pitching. But if you can get that sort of return, you do it. Then package with another prospect or two and get one of the big boys back.

[Bellhorn04]

My bet is we're not selling anything of value. This team has had more than enough PR f***ups and mixed messages. They don't need Pivetta dealing for another team the next two months while Houck has to go on the IL.

 

We'll check back on my "wisdom" at 6 PM.

[Old Red]

My bet is we're not selling anything of value. This team has had more than enough PR f***ups and mixed messages. They don't need Pivetta dealing for another team the next two months while Houck has to go on the IL.

 

We'll check back on my "wisdom" at 6 PM.

So far the Red Sox have done pretty much what I thought they would do. Nothing big going, or coming.

[Bellhorn04]

So far the Red Sox have done pretty much what I thought they would do. Nothing big going, or coming.

 

Agreed, but it might be a busy day. They're connected to a lot of pitchers, hopefully it's not just more Interest Kings follies.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Agreed, but it might be a busy day. They're connected to a lot of pitchers, hopefully it's not just more Interest Kings follies.

 

Expect quantity, not quality: recycled bits to piece together bullpen repairs, just to get through another ugly August.

 

One arm breaks down, replace it with another, then another... in the end, Frankenstein's monster goes up in flames, and falls through the dock into the lake (but they don't find the body -- so he can return for another sequel!)

[moonslav59]

Not sold on Skubal. His comps on baseball-reference are concerning; number 5 on Similar Pitchers through 26 is Ralph Birkofer... we need a stopper who can hold more than just Birk to an ofer.

 

Birkofer, who mostly pitched for Pittsburgh in the 1930s, had a career WAR of 3.5 (less than 2024 Skubal's 5.3 in half a season). His own number 4 Similar Pitcher was Dizzy Dismukes, from the Negro National League in the 1920s. Number 10 was Harley Payne, because that's all you felt if you got hit by a Birkofer pitch...

 

I'm sold.

 

6th best fWAR since 2023 (200+ IP)

2.52 ERA and a 2.36 FIP (2.70 xFIP)

Just under an 11:1 K:BB rate

Best ERA- at 61

Best xFIP- 64

Best K-BB%

 

No other top 5 pitcher is as young (27,) under team control for 2 more seasons (3 playoff cycles) and is available.

 

What are you waiting for?

[moonslav59]

For an absolutely ridiculous price.

 

If you're bringing that back for Kikuchi, I'm dangling Pivetta for sure.

 

That was an insane return, especially when compared to Fedde.

 

Pivetta has been better over the longer term.

 

We will not be sellers, this year.

 

I'm still waiting to see the "lane"

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm sold.

 

6th best fWAR since 2023 (200+ IP)

2.52 ERA and a 2.36 FIP (2.70 xFIP)

Just under an 11:1 K:BB rate

Best ERA- at 61

Best xFIP- 64

Best K-BB%

 

No other top 5 pitcher is as young (27,) under team control for 2 more seasons (3 playoff cycles) and is available.

 

What are you waiting for?

 

For another team to trade three of their top five prospects for him. Here's a question: why is Skubal even available?

 

He's 27, smack-dab in his prime, and under control. Aren't those exactly the criteria for any club to want to keep him -- whether you're trying to win it all or starting a rebuild?

 

Let's say the Tigers swap Skubal for Mayer, Anthony and Teel. Great, Detroit -- now you're just like the Red Sox were yesterday, with a lot of promising position prospects and no ace pitcher.

 

Even if another team includes its top pitching prospect in a package (that rules out Boston, which doesn't have one), the Tigers are still without a top-of-the-rotation starter. But they'll have one who may be good... someday.

[sk7326]

So far, there was no "lane" chosen.

 

The Yorke for Priester deal was basically 2 young players with 5-6 years of control for each other. An everyday player for a pitcher is a nice idea, but it's not a "lane."

 

Paxton is more like a Tommy Pham, Hosmer type deal than a true "buy lane" deal.

 

There is still a few hours to change this, but I'm not expecting much.

 

That Fedde deal looks like "the missed deal" of the deadline, so far. I can't imagine we could not have beaten that return with a couple 10-20 ranked prospects.

 

Yeah Yorke for Priester is a super interesting deal ... but it was something that they would have done regardless of buy/sell priorities.

 

Each team traded from surplus for something they lacked. Pittsburgh got the surer thing - that doesn't mean Yorke will be a star or anything, but that he can play 2B/LF on an entry level contract and deliver value there. But the Sox - under the Breslow-Bailey regime have already shown some evidence of being able to get some additional performance out of pitchers. (Perales and Houck most notably) Perhaps there is some low hanging fruit there to unlock some serious talent inside Priester.

 

Boston could have A) traded Yorke for a #5 starter/swing arm most likely, just put him into the lineup to see if he can help over the 2B pu pu platter or C) make a trade like this to at least get some starting pitcher ceiling ... C is the most speculative, but I understand it

[mvp 78]

That might be what he's looking for, which to me is not picking a lane.

 

Her is a Q: if Priester was still a prospect, would he be ranked ahead of Fitts, Sandlin? Ahead of E R-C or Dobbins?

 

Ahead of Fitts IMO.

[sk7326]

Ahead of Fitts IMO.

 

yeah everybody but Pareles IMO at least. I mean Priester is still younger than Fitts.

[moonslav59]

For another team to trade three of their top five prospects for him. Here's a question: why is Skubal even available?

 

He's 27, smack-dab in his prime, and under control. Aren't those exactly the criteria for any club to want to keep him -- whether you're trying to win it all or starting a rebuild?

 

Let's say the Tigers swap Skubal for Mayer, Anthony and Teel. Great, Detroit -- now you're just like the Red Sox were yesterday, with a lot of promising position prospects and no ace pitcher.

 

Even if another team includes its top pitching prospect in a package (that rules out Boston, which doesn't have one), the Tigers are still without a top-of-the-rotation starter. But they'll have one who may be good... someday.

 

I'm not for giving up 3 of the top 4 for him, and may not want to totally let them choose which 2 to get, so bringing up the 3 is ends the talk on Skubal for me to say even maybe.

 

I'm hesitant even give up 2 plus Bleis or Cespedes, but how else do we get an ace without JH spending big bucks?

 

[Duran Is The Man]

I'm sold.

 

6th best fWAR since 2023 (200+ IP)

2.52 ERA and a 2.36 FIP (2.70 xFIP)

Just under an 11:1 K:BB rate

Best ERA- at 61

Best xFIP- 64

Best K-BB%

 

No other top 5 pitcher is as young (27,) under team control for 2 more seasons (3 playoff cycles) and is available.

 

What are you waiting for?

 

TJS. you can bet that if the Sox traded for him, he'd need it before the end of the week.

[moonslav59]

Ahead of Fitts IMO.

 

Agreed, and maybe right behind Perales.

 

1. Anthony

2. Mayer

3. Teel

4. Campbell

5. Cespedes

6. Bleis

7. Perales

8. Priester

9. Meidroth

10. Arias

11. Sandlin

12. Fitts

13. Zanetello

14. Lugo

15. Jo. Garcia

16. Jh. Garcia

17. E R-C

18. Dobbins

19. Early

20. Valera/Portes

 

Dropped from top 20:

Yorke traded

Castro (maybe 22nd)

Paulino

Jordan

Wikelman