Trades?

[moonslav59]

The cost was just too high as it always is. You can't wait until the trade deadline to make your team unless you are going to gut your system like the Padres.

 

Agreed. I did not want a top 10 prospect traded for a rental, so he likely did about the best he could with what he had below #9.

 

I do think Fedde looked like an inexpensive get and had another year of control at $7.5M, but it's hard to know what the CWS would have wanted from us for him.

[notin]

I've always like Sims, but have to admit I got the chills when I looked up Garcia's comps on baseball-ref: age 28 -- Yohan Ramirez... luckily, Garcia is now 33.

 

Then I saw these: age 32 -- Heath Hembree; and #5 Most Similar -- Junichi Tazawa... and then I realized the bottom line. Relief pitchers, at one time or another, are all the same guy.

 

Sims was a former top prospect for the Braves who washed out as a starter. As a reliever, he’s been pretty good. I saw him pitch Monday night against the Cubs…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Wingenters will come and go regardless of who is in charge. And I’d rather have an active GM/CBO who takes these chances than one who doesn’t…

 

Wingenters may not come and go, but Losegenters always will.

[notin]

The cost was just too high as it always is. You can't wait until the trade deadline to make your team unless you are going to gut your system like the Padres.

 

I think the Scott/Snelling trade is getting far too little mention as the biggest overpay. It would be like if the Sox traded Roman Anthony for Lucas Erceg….

[notin]

Wingenters may not come and go, but Losegenters always will.

 

People condemn the entire dumpster diving process for every failed acquisition. But the Sox bullpen right now has Bernardino, Booser, Kelly, Criswell and a mildly resurgent Bailey Horn, all of whom were pulled off the scrap heap. Bernardino and Kelly are struggling right now, but both have absolutely contributed this season…

[mvp 78]

I've always like Sims, but have to admit I got the chills when I looked up Garcia's comps on baseball-ref: age 28 -- Yohan Ramirez... luckily, Garcia is now 33.

 

Then I saw these: age 32 -- Heath Hembree; and #5 Most Similar -- Junichi Tazawa... and then I realized the bottom line. Relief pitchers, at one time or another, are all the same guy.

 

Yeah, that stuff doesn't matter in the least.

[Old Red]

People condemn the entire dumpster diving process for every failed acquisition. But the Sox bullpen right now has Bernardino, Booser, Kelly, Criswell and a mildly resurgent Bailey Horn, all of whom were pulled off the scrap heap. Bernardino and Kelly are struggling right now, but both have absolutely contributed this season…

 

Yes they do condemn the entire dumpster diving process, and will continue to do so, because a big market team, and status of the Red Sox shouldn’t have to do it as often as they do to fill out the 26 man roster.

[mvp 78]

Yes they do condemn the entire dumpster diving process, and will continue to do so, because a big market team, and status of the Red Sox shouldn’t have to do it as often as they do to fill out the 26 man roster.

 

They aren't a big market team anymore. Not even top third in the league in payroll!

[Old Red]

They aren't a big market team anymore. Not even top third in the league in payroll!

 

They are still a Big market team, but chose not to spend like one, which is not the same thing, and that’s where a lot of the complaints come from for all the dumpster diving they do.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Old Red

[vegasbob]

Breslow spent a relatively small amount to get "help" for the rest of 2024's season (56 games) . Nick Yorke never made the 26 man so you can't miss him, and neither did any of the other guys traded who were probably Rule 5 problems over the winter.

 

But you have to balance that with the fact that Sims, Ramirez, Paxton, D. Jansen, Garcia are all free agents after September 29 , along with Kenley, Martin (IL) and Pivetta, So roughly half of the current 13 pitching spots on the 26 man need filling over the off season.

 

Breslow still has a lot of work to do going forward. The trade deadline was pretty much smoke and mirrors.

[vegasbob]

Of course balance everything with the true idiot who owns the Angels. Rendon back on IL with lower back inflammation and Mike Trout who cannot overcome his meniscus tear recovery and is pulled out of his rehab program. Rendon is the definition of a quitter.

[mvp 78]

They are still a Big market team, but chose not to spend like one, which is not the same thing, and that’s where a lot of the complaints come from for all the dumpster diving they do.

 

If you look at media market rankings, the Sox have 11 teams ahead of them. If not payroll or market, how are you judging size?!?!?

[Nick]

They are still a Big market team, but chose not to spend like one, which is not the same thing, and that’s where a lot of the complaints come from for all the dumpster diving they do.

 

I'm pretty sure we're still a "big market club" in terms of gross revenue. But we're just a piece of conglomerate. John Henry sees Sox being able to control expenses to offset his other business units.

[Old Red]

If you look at media market rankings, the Sox have 11 teams ahead of them. If not payroll or market, how are you judging size?!?!?

 

Oh no! I’ve been misled all these years that the Red Sox were a big market club. What a bummer, and very disturbing to say the least.

[mvp 78]

Oh no! I’ve been misled all these years that the Red Sox were a big market club. What a bummer, and very disturbing to say the least.

 

Hector Velazquez

Pedro Ciriaco

Andrew Miller

Clayton Mortensen

Bobby Kielty

Kyle Snyder

Brendan Donnelly

Mark Bellhorn

Pokey Reese

Dave McCarty

Ricky Gutierrez

Curt Leskanic

Mike Myers

 

Every WS team had their share of dumpster dives. The rules are the rules and the facts are the facts!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Oh no! I’ve been misled all these years that the Red Sox were a big market club. What a bummer, and very disturbing to say the least.

 

Whaddaya mean?!?! New England -- ya know, Red Sox NATION -- is six states large!

 

Then again, New York state is bigger than five of them put together... (Maine's pretty big, too, but no one lives there).

[Maxbialystock]

They aren't a big market team anymore. Not even top third in the league in payroll!

 

Actually, the Sox are closer to bottom third in payroll because, of the $182M they are currently paying in salaries, $22.5M is going to Story, who barely played this season, $17M to Sale, who is pitching for the Braves, $19M to Giolito, who is out for this season and questionable for next (but not his 2d $19M), $3.5M to Whitlock, who pitched 4 games and is also questionable for next year, $7.5M for Martin who is on the IL, and $6.7M for Turner, who last night was playing for Seattle. Plus I don't think the Sox are getting full value for the $16M going to Jansen or the $18.6M going to Yoshida, so let's halve their values and say the Sox are throwing away another $17.3M. If we subtract $92M from $182M, we see the real value of the Sox payroll this season, about $92M.

 

That said, however, easily the highest WAR on the team, Duran's 6.1, only costs the Sox $760K. Rafaela, Bello, Criswell, Houck, Crawford, Wong, Abreu, and Gonzalez are also pretty good bargains. Maybe even Bernardino, Booser, Kelly, and Winck are too.

 

Even the big money guy, Devers @ $29M, is worth his salary. So is O'Neill--healthy for a change--@ $5.85M. Pivetta @ $7.5M might over-priced, but not by too much.

 

Back to Jansen and his $16M. To me he is the perfect example of overspending on a closer because he has actually been decent this year with 20 saves so far. The problem, especially recently, has been getting to the 9th inning with a lead. To me he has just not been worth that huge salary, which would have been better spent on 3 or 4 other bullpen arms.

[mvp 78]

Whaddaya mean?!?! New England -- ya know, Red Sox NATION -- is six states large!

 

Then again, New York state is bigger than five of them put together... (Maine's pretty big, too, but no one lives there).

 

The media market is considered Boston/Manchester for some dang reason?

[mvp 78]

Actually, the Sox are closer to bottom third in payroll because, of the $182M they are currently paying in salaries, $22.5M is going to Story, who barely played this season, $17M to Sale, who is pitching for the Braves, $19M to Giolito, who is out for this season and questionable for next (but not his 2d $19M), $3.5M to Whitlock, who pitched 4 games and is also questionable for next year, $7.5M for Martin who is on the IL, and $6.7M for Turner, who last night was playing for Seattle. Plus I don't think the Sox are getting full value for the $16M going to Jansen or the $18.6M going to Yoshida, so let's halve their values and say the Sox are throwing away another $17.3M. If we subtract $92M from $182M, we see the real value of the Sox payroll this season, about $92M.

 

This is the fuzzy math George W Bush warned us about.

[notin]

Yes they do condemn the entire dumpster diving process, and will continue to do so, because a big market team, and status of the Red Sox shouldn’t have to do it as often as they do to fill out the 26 man roster.

 

Big market has nothing to do with it. If you need pitching or whatever, it’s another method of acquiring. Trades are simply not always an option. So either comb the waiver wire or call up one of the maybe half a dozen option available from the 40 man.

 

That Wingeter didn’t work out isn’t an indictment of the process. Ultimately the guy wound up pitching a third of an innning more than Dominic Smith…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The media market is considered Boston/Manchester for some dang reason?

 

Manchester used to have a team in the NECBL for college players to show scouts they could swing or pitch to wood bats. Now they have a couple decent breweries.

[Old Red]

Hector Velazquez

Pedro Ciriaco

Andrew Miller

Clayton Mortensen

Bobby Kielty

Kyle Snyder

Brendan Donnelly

Mark Bellhorn

Pokey Reese

Dave McCarty

Ricky Gutierrez

Curt Leskanic

Mike Myers

 

Every WS team had their share of dumpster dives. The rules are the rules and the facts are the facts!

I don’t think anyone has said there aren’t dumpster dives on any team, but that doesn’t stop the complaints that the Red Sox visit there as often as they do. I don’t even know if the Wing Man, and the Yo Man wasn’t picked up at the dump itself.

[notin]

Yes they do condemn the entire dumpster diving process, and will continue to do so, because a big market team, and status of the Red Sox shouldn’t have to do it as often as they do to fill out the 26 man roster.

 

Were the Sox small market when Dombrowski brought in guys like Blaine Boyer and Sean O’Sullivan?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Big market has nothing to do with it. If you need pitching or whatever, it’s another method of acquiring. Trades are simply not always an option. So either comb the waiver wire or call up one of the maybe half a dozen option available from the 40 man.

 

That Wingeter didn’t work out isn’t an indictment of the process. Ultimately the guy wound up pitching a third of an innning more than Dominic Smith…

 

Pitching Smith didn't work out, either. He must have blown out his arm; at least that's the only excuse for him spiking an easy throw past first last night.

[Old Red]

Big market has nothing to do with it. If you need pitching or whatever, it’s another method of acquiring. Trades are simply not always an option. So either comb the waiver wire or call up one of the maybe half a dozen option available from the 40 man.

 

That Wingeter didn’t work out isn’t an indictment of the process. Ultimately the guy wound up pitching a third of an innning more than Dominic Smith…

 

You complain what you want to, and others are going to complain about what they want to such as dumpster diving. There is enough to go around for everyone.

[Maxbialystock]

This is the fuzzy math George W Bush warned us about.

 

Pot, meet kettle.

[Old Red]

Were the Sox small market when Dombrowski brought in guys like Blaine Boyer and Sean O’Sullivan?

 

Really that’s where you are going to go when DD brought others in on the other end of the spectrum. Bad, bad comparison if it rates an comparison at all.

[notin]

I don’t think anyone has said there aren’t dumpster dives on any team, but that doesn’t stop the complaints that the Red Sox visit there as often as they do. I don’t even know if the Wing Man, and the Yo Man wasn’t picked up at the dump itself.

 

So if injuries pile up, you prefer the Sox just play short-handed?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You complain what you want to, and others are going to complain about what they want to such as dumpster diving. There is enough to go around for everyone.

 

Then you're spelunking through the wrong dumpsters. Hint: avoid fast food alleys, but frequent all-night diners.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think anyone has said there aren’t dumpster dives on any team, but that doesn’t stop the complaints that the Red Sox visit there as often as they do. I don’t even know if the Wing Man, and the Yo Man wasn’t picked up at the dump itself.

 

Yes they do condemn the entire dumpster diving process, and will continue to do so, because a big market team, and status of the Red Sox shouldn’t have to do it as often as they do to fill out the 26 man roster.

 

Um, ok.