A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[moonslav59]

Using an opener was bound to bite us in the ass. Chase was not the answer, today.

 

Criswell has gotten the job done, but I fear it might just be smoke and mirrors.

 

I'm not sure what other in-house options we have, except to hope and pray Whitlock and Pivetta can return, sooner rather than later, and be in form. Neither has started a rehab game, yet, that I know of, so we will likely have 1-2 more rotation cycles before one returns, at best. Now, with Bello out, we may have to use more opener games or try Wink as a SP'ers. We could maybe add Gambrel to the 40 and call him up. Maybe Fitts. Maybe the nice start Alexander for a wing and a prayer.

 

This is not going to be easy.

[moonslav59]

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[notin]

They really stuck with Abreu a long time, last year, and it kinda worked out. This year, the leash was shorter, but I would not want Abreu for min wage, right now.

 

He's probably got more upside than Dalbec, but we can do better (like Cooper or Cron.)

 

 

Yeah that deal isn’t so much about getting Abreu. That’s actually the least important part of the trade. It’s more about unloading Yoshida. Abreu is probably the best you could get for him right now.

[moonslav59]

Yeah that deal isn’t so much about getting Abreu. That’s actually the least important part of the trade. It’s more about unloading Yoshida. Abreu is probably the best you could get for him right now.

 

Toshiba has better upside. Unless we save money AND use it, I wouldn’t do it

[notin]

Toshiba has better upside. Unless we save money AND use it, I wouldn’t do it

 

The Sox would save money. Abreus is owed $39mill for 2024 and 25. Yoshida is owed $72mill through 2027.

 

Again, if people want to deal Yoshida, this is probably around what the Sox could expect in return. Unless they want to pay the overwhelming bulk of his salary, and therefore miss out on any upside while paying someone else to experience it.

 

Abreu is far from anyone worth targeting, but then, so is Yoshida right now. I mean, the Sox have 15 players on the IL and still aren't playing him. Not exactly a selling point...

[moonslav59]

The Sox would save money. Abreus is owed $39mill for 2024 and 25. Yoshida is owed $72mill through 2027.

 

Again, if people want to deal Yoshida, this is probably around what the Sox could expect in return. Unless they want to pay the overwhelming bulk of his salary, and therefore miss out on any upside while paying someone else to experience it.

 

Abreu is far from anyone worth targeting, but then, so is Yoshida right now. I mean, the Sox have 15 players on the IL and still aren't playing him. Not exactly a selling point...

 

Unless we spend the savings, which is not guarantee, I'd rather keep Yoshida and hope he improves.

[Bellhorn04]

Unless we spend the savings, which is not guarantee, I'd rather keep Yoshida and hope he improves.

 

It just seems like they've given up on him improving already...

[moonslav59]

It just seems like they've given up on him improving already...

 

I can't blame them, but unless we use any savings on a trade, why take on Abreu?

[Randy Red Sox]

I can't blame them, but unless we use any savings on a trade, why take on Abreu?

 

WHEN will you figure it out that John Henry is NOT INTERESTED in spending $$ ?

[notin]

I can't blame them, but unless we use any savings on a trade, why take on Abreu?

 

Cheaper than Yoshida. Better than Dalbec.

[Old Red]

Cheaper than Yoshida. Better than Dalbec.

 

No chance! 🤭🙈🤮

[moonslav59]

WHEN will you figure it out that John Henry is NOT INTERESTED in spending $$ ?

 

You missed my point. I'm saying don't trade Yoshida, if they won't spend the money. Others are acting like they think the money saved will help us down the road.

 

I'm not as sure as you, but unless and until I see it, I'm guessing no.

 

JH has a 2 decade history of spending and going cheap in cycles. The Devers extension just kicked in- the largest contract in Sox history by a long shot. That gives me reason to not be 100% in your camp.

[notin]

No chance!

 

Any trade that specific is prettt unlikely. But if the Sox want to move Yoshida, a deal like that is probably one of the better options, which isn’t saying much.

 

Yoshida is clearly deep in Cora’s doghouse. And he isn’t going to get any better until he gets out of it. Th is team has an MLB-high 15 players on the IL and is pushing out an infield that wouldn’t cut it in the League of Women Voters, yet Yoshida can’t get off the bench? And Dalbec gets to start?

 

And this isn’t even about defense. The Sox have been trudging out weak pathetic defensive alignments for about 2 weeks now. It’s not like Cora has the 2021 Cardinals out there. Yoshida isn’t a good defender, but neither are Valdez, Hamilton, Dalbec, Reyes and Refsnyder. But they all get to start…

[notin]

No chance!

 

But we all know something there is a chance of - you coming back at some point in the future saying I wanted the Sox to trade for Jose Abreu. Why let a little thing like understanding the point get in the way of an opportunity to be an jackass?

 

It’s happened before. Multiple times…

Edited April 26, 2024 by notin

[Maxbialystock]

WHEN will you figure it out that John Henry is NOT INTERESTED in spending $$ ?

 

He's spending $180M this season and not getting much for it.

[moonslav59]

Cheaper than Yoshida. Better than Dalbec.

 

What good is cheaper, if we don't use the money saved?

 

IMO, Yoshida has a better chance of hitting over .700 than Abreu or Dalbec.

 

If only he could play 1B.

[moonslav59]

He's spending $180M this season and not getting much for it.

 

The $300M deal for Devers started, this year. The previous highest deal was $215M/7 for Price. The next highest was Manny at $160M before JH's time.

 

JH is spending less, this year, and he spent way less in 2020, and that's why Betts is gone.

 

The biggest change has not been JH spending less, but other GMs spending more- some absurdly more.

[Maxbialystock]

You missed my point. I'm saying don't trade Yoshida, if they won't spend the money. Others are acting like they think the money saved will help us down the road.

 

I'm not as sure as you, but unless and until I see it, I'm guessing no.

 

JH has a 2 decade history of spending and going cheap in cycles. The Devers extension just kicked in- the largest contract in Sox history by a long shot. That gives me reason to not be 100% in your camp.

 

JH is going "cheap" this season, but to the tune of $180M, 11th biggest payroll on MLB. And way too much of that $180M is not delivering on the field of play.

 

DD was good, I finally agree, but only as long as JH was willing to pay for the highest payroll in MLB even when in 2019 that highest payroll finished 84-78.

[moonslav59]

Cheaper than Yoshida. Better than Dalbec.

 

How about Yoshida for injured SP'er Robbie Ray?

 

We could use another one of those.

[Duran Is The Man]

How about Yoshida for injured SP'er Robbie Ray?

 

We could use another one of those.

 

Trevor Bauer is still out there, i believe.

[iortiz]

Trevor Bauer is still out there, i believe.

 

It’s beyond me why nobody signs him.

[Randy Red Sox]

You missed my point. I'm saying don't trade Yoshida, if they won't spend the money. Others are acting like they think the money saved will help us down the road.

 

I'm not as sure as you, but unless and until I see it, I'm guessing no.

 

JH has a 2 decade history of spending and going cheap in cycles. The Devers extension just kicked in- the largest contract in Sox history by a long shot. That gives me reason to not be 100% in your camp.

 

the ONLY reason he bucked up for Devers was because of the backlash he endured by cheaping out on Mookie

[Randy Red Sox]

JH is going "cheap" this season, but to the tune of $180M, 11th biggest payroll on MLB. And way too much of that $180M is not delivering on the field of play.

 

DD was good, I finally agree, but only as long as JH was willing to pay for the highest payroll in MLB even when in 2019 that highest payroll finished 84-78.

 

Red Sox were somewhere between #2-#5 in payroll just 2 years ago and are now #11. Where might they be in another 2 years?

[Randy Red Sox]

You missed my point. I'm saying don't trade Yoshida, if they won't spend the money. Others are acting like they think the money saved will help us down the road.

 

I'm not as sure as you, but unless and until I see it, I'm guessing no.

 

JH has a 2 decade history of spending and going cheap in cycles. The Devers extension just kicked in- the largest contract in Sox history by a long shot. That gives me reason to not be 100% in your camp.

 

i am of the view that Henry MIGHT use/approve the difference in salary saved to approve a trade using the money saved. Was I wrong?

[jad]

It’s beyond me why nobody signs him.

 

I assume you're being ironic, but if not, this comment may say more about you than about the hesitant GMs.

[notin]

I assume you're being ironic, but if not, this comment may say more about you than about the hesitant GMs.

 

I think he simply might not be convinced Bauer is guilty of the actions that got him suspended in the first place. That’s all it says about him…

[Bellhorn04]

No matter what you think about Bauer, if you think the Red Sox would even contemplate signing him, you're not really paying a lot of attention to the way stuff works in Boston. The Sox got crushed for Dermody, and he's an altar boy compared to Bauer.

[moonslav59]

the ONLY reason he bucked up for Devers was because of the backlash he endured by cheaping out on Mookie

 

I totally agree, but did he spend more than ever on a player, or not?

[Bellhorn04]

I totally agree, but did he spend more than ever on a player, or not?

 

Yes, he did.

 

But maybe JH's message to the rest of the front office or his thinking was something like this: "I'll do this, but we're still gonna keep our total payroll out of the Top 10 and under the tax threshold."

Edited April 26, 2024 by Bellhorn04

[jgar658]

On a positive note the Red Sox are just a 1/2 game out of a wildcard spot.