A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[notin]

That's a separate coupon to be negotiated.

 

f***ing cheap ass Henry!

[moonslav59]

f***ing cheap ass Henry!

 

No, our expectations for fries is over the top.

[Duran Is The Man]

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[Duran Is The Man]

i mean, depending on the sonic coupons…

 

 

ikr?

[Duran Is The Man]

Lifetime burger and shake coupon?

 

 

that's all it would take for me.

[Bellhorn04]

Henry has reached the point where he can win by spending or win by metrics.

 

Well, let's see. If we're crediting everything to John as you seem to be doing, he's also proven quite conclusively that he can lose, and lose a lot, with a good shot at finishing under .500 for the 7th time in 13 seasons.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, let's see. If we're crediting everything to John as you seem to be doing, he's also proven quite conclusively that he can lose, and lose a lot, with a good shot at finishing under .500 for the 7th time in 13 seasons.

 

Fan expectations have become too low. We have to be realistic and realize the Red Sox can't always finish in last place every season.

 

Some key guys could even return from the IL and replace the replacements on a razor-thin roster.

 

In the meantime, we have to be impatient. After all, bad ballplayers are inexpensive.

[Bellhorn04]

Fan expectations have become too low. We have to be realistic and realize the Red Sox can't always finish in last place every season.

 

Some key guys could even return from the IL and replace the replacements on a razor-thin roster.

 

They will counteract this potential problem by moving Pivetta, Jansen and O'Neill at the deadline.

[jacksonianmarch]

I’m wondering if the Sox realize they’re out of window and their talent isn’t conducive to investment just yet. The Orioles are good. The Yankees are good. If JH injects $50 mil into the club, will they win a division?

[Bellhorn04]

I’m wondering if the Sox realize they’re out of window and their talent isn’t conducive to investment just yet. The Orioles are good. The Yankees are good. If JH injects $50 mil into the club, will they win a division?

 

Probably not, but who says you have to win the division. It's 2024.

[notin]

Well, let's see. If we're crediting everything to John as you seem to be doing, he's also proven quite conclusively that he can lose, and lose a lot, with a good shot at finishing under .500 for the 7th time in 13 seasons.

 

First of all, why does credit have to be all or nothing? Can we just acknowledge he’s part of it without brining in everyone else’s names? You know, like we do for EVERYONE ELSE?

 

Second, I’m guessing he’d rather miss the playoffs with a cheap team than with an expensive one. Wouldn’t you if you owned the team?

 

Third - he did spend heavily for some of those sub-.500 last place finishes. Not sure what you mean by “lose a lot” with his 7th sub-.500 finish…

[notin]

No, our expectations for fries is over the top.

 

We’re just talking about Sonic fries here. Not like I expect Five Guys fries every year…

[moonslav59]

I’m wondering if the Sox realize they’re out of window and their talent isn’t conducive to investment just yet. The Orioles are good. The Yankees are good. If JH injects $50 mil into the club, will they win a division?

 

If the $50M is spent on players that produce like our recent additions, even $150M would likely not be enough.

 

$50M invested wisely might get us close. $60-75M, wisely should get us about even.

 

2 solid SP'ers, a closer and a RHB could be had for under $70-90M.

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure what you mean by “lose a lot” with his 7th sub-.500 finish…

 

Well, you do like to be deliberately obtuse sometimes.

[moonslav59]

They will counteract this potential problem by moving Pivetta, Jansen and O'Neill at the deadline.

 

You have to think our one game lead on TBR and two games over TOR, can easily be lost, even if we keep everybody and have no new major injuries.

 

Of course, the Rays and Jays might be sellers (too,) at the deadline.

 

I'm not sure how much help Hendriks might bring us in August, or if Martin is ever coming back, O'Neill seems like he will forever be on and off the injury report. Good thing Ref is taking up that slack. The return of Casas could be the equalizer, if we do sell-off 3-4 pieces. It's hard to know.

 

This season just screams 81-81, to me- no matter what we do.

[Bellhorn04]

You have to think our one game lead on TBR and two games over TOR, can easily be lost, even if we keep everybody and have no new major injuries.

 

Of course, the Rays and Jays might be sellers (too,) at the deadline.

 

I'm not sure how much help Hendriks might bring us in August, or if Martin is ever coming back, O'Neill seems like he will forever be on and off the injury report. Good thing Ref is taking up that slack. The return of Casas could be the equalizer, if we do sell-off 3-4 pieces. It's hard to know.

 

This season just screams 81-81, to me- no matter what we do.

 

I think it'll be hard to win 81 if we move all those guys, with Pivetta being the real killer.

[notin]

I think it'll be hard to win 81 if we move all those guys, with Pivetta being the real killer.

 

Especially since it’s very unlikely anyone brings back a SP who steps right into an MLB rotation. Those players are needed by their current teams…

[Bellhorn04]

Especially since it’s very unlikely anyone brings back a SP who steps right into an MLB rotation. Those players are needed by their current teams…

 

Oh yeah, if Breslow picks the sell lane, I think we'll be getting back prospects.

 

Personally I'm having nasty visions of 2012 redux. But I have a pessimistic bias these days with the Sox.

[moonslav59]

I think it'll be hard to win 81 if we move all those guys, with Pivetta being the real killer.

 

Losing Pivetta would hurt- same with Jansen, but maybe Casas and Hendriks even it out to some extent.

 

Getting Abreu, O'Neill and others back might help, too.

 

It seems like no matter who we put out there, we are a .500 team.

[Nick]

Losing Pivetta would hurt- same with Jansen, but maybe Casas and Hendriks even it out to some extent.

 

Getting Abreu, O'Neill and others back might help, too.

 

It seems like no matter who we put out there, we are a .500 team.

 

Janssen and Martin can be replaced by Hendriks and Whitlock in 2025. Unless we try again with Whitlock starting.

 

So the task becomes making the following line up better and coming up with starting pitching.

 

CC Wong

1B Casas

2B Grissom

SS Story

3B Devers

LF Duran

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu

DH Yoshida

 

Like I say it's a starting point.

 

We should get something in return for Janssen, Martin and Pivetta. Hell we don't even need to get any money back. We're under the tax so we can 'buy' prospects/return.

Edited June 11, 2024 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Janssen and Martin can be replaced by Hendriks and Whitlock in 2025. Unless we try again with Whitlock starting.

 

So the task becomes making the following line up better and coming up with starting pitching.

 

CC Wong

1B Casas

2B Grissom

SS Story

3B Devers

LF Duran

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu

DH Yoshida

 

Like I say it's a starting point.

 

We should get something in return for Janssen, Martin and Pivetta. Hell we don't even need to get any money back. We're under the tax so we can 'buy' prospects/return.

 

I was referring to how losing Jansen and Pivetta might affect our final 2024 record.

 

We agree, a lot, on the 2025 outlook and high need areas.

 

[moonslav59]

Janssen and Martin can be replaced by Hendriks and Whitlock in 2025. Unless we try again with Whitlock starting.

 

So the task becomes making the following line up better and coming up with starting pitching.

 

CC Wong

1B Casas

2B Grissom

SS Story

3B Devers

LF Duran

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu

DH Yoshida

 

Like I say it's a starting point.

 

We should get something in return for Janssen, Martin and Pivetta. Hell we don't even need to get any money back. We're under the tax so we can 'buy' prospects/return.

 

On the money about the money, too.

 

In fact, we could even pay much of Yoshida's contract to unload him. Maybe even add a blocked prospect or two to sweeten the deal (Lugo, Castro, Paulino, Hickey?)

 

I really think pitching, pitching, pitching should be our main focus. A RHB is a need, too, but maybe that need not be expensive.

 

I'm pretty sure the top Sox brass thinks we don't need a solid SP'er for 2025, with out rotation doing well and Gio coming back, but I hope we add at least one solid #2 type SP'er and some depth, along with a closer- making Hendriks the #2, along with maybe Slaten or Bernardino.

[mvp 78]

Janssen and Martin can be replaced by Hendriks and Whitlock in 2025. Unless we try again with Whitlock starting.

 

So the task becomes making the following line up better and coming up with starting pitching.

 

CC Wong

1B Casas

2B Grissom

SS Story

3B Devers

LF Duran

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu

DH Yoshida

 

Like I say it's a starting point.

 

We should get something in return for Janssen, Martin and Pivetta. Hell we don't even need to get any money back. We're under the tax so we can 'buy' prospects/return.

 

Say your prayers that Yoshida comes back HOT and that they can deal him at the deadline and only eat a small amount of money.

[mvp 78]

I was referring to how losing Jansen and Pivetta might affect our final 2024 record.

 

We agree, a lot, on the 2025 outlook and high need areas.

 

 

Jansen: 0 games

Pivetta: 0-3 games

 

Go from a 81 win to 78 win team.

[Bellhorn04]

Say your prayers that Yoshida comes back HOT and that they can deal him at the deadline and only eat a small amount of money.

 

HAHAHAHAHA

 

Good one.

[Bellhorn04]

Jansen: 0 games

Pivetta: 0-3 games

 

Go from a 81 win to 78 win team.

 

The thing is though, once they sell off, there are other things that will tend to affect the record in a negative way. Winning games just won't matter any more. That can affect everyone's attitude and the managerial approach. If Devers has a sore knee in August you might tell him to take the rest of the season off.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The thing is though, once they sell off, there are other things that will tend to affect the record in a negative way. Winning games just won't matter any more. That can affect everyone's attitude and the managerial approach. If Devers has a sore knee in August you might tell him to take the rest of the season off.

 

Unless you're the guy paying him $300 million. Then you might tell him to get his ass back on the field and earn it.

[Bellhorn04]

Unless you're the guy paying him $300 million. Then you might tell him to get his ass back on the field and earn it.

 

Not when it's the smart move to keep him from getting injured in meaningless games, and dropping in the standings might mean a higher draft pick.

 

And we know JH is all about being smart and patient and not focusing too much on the present.

[mvp 78]

The thing is though, once they sell off, there are other things that will tend to affect the record in a negative way. Winning games just won't matter any more. That can affect everyone's attitude and the managerial approach. If Devers has a sore knee in August you might tell him to take the rest of the season off.

 

They basically called it in '22 and '23 and ended with 78 wins. Why not do it again?

[mvp 78]

Unless you're the guy paying him $300 million. Then you might tell him to get his ass back on the field and earn it.

 

"Hey sport, I'm paying you a bunch of money for the next decade no matter what. Go out and destroy that knee in a meaningless game for me!"