Chris Sale traded to Braves

[mvp 78]

Bitch about frail Sale while he’s here. Bitch about the return not being great enough when he’s dealt. Sunrise. Sunset.

 

I still stand by this post from 12/30. 100%

[notin]

I still stand by this post from 12/30. 100%

 

For the last couple years, everyone said “you can’t count on Sale.” But this year its changed to “they should have counted on Sale.”

[Bellhorn04]

I still stand by this post from 12/30. 100%

 

I thought your "Betts lite" post was the best.

[Bellhorn04]

For the last couple years, everyone said “you can’t count on Sale.” But this year its changed to “they should have counted on Sale.”

 

Nope.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

For the last couple years, everyone said “you can’t count on Sale.” But this year its changed to “they should have counted on Sale.”

 

 

I made this point a month or 2 ago and got pushback. I clearly recall nearly every poster wanted him gone years ago.

[Old Red]

For the last couple years, everyone said “you can’t count on Sale.” But this year its changed to “they should have counted on Sale.”

 

And for good reason. Things couldn’t have gone any more wrong for the Red Sox even if the Red Sox had planned it that way. Sale is a CY Young candidate pitching for another team that the Red Sox are paying him $17M to do so. Gio was signed, and hasn’t pitched 1 inning this year, and the Red Sox are paying him $18M not to do so. Then we get to Grissom who so far has been MIA both on, and off the field.🙈🤭

[Bellhorn04]

I made this point a month or 2 ago and got pushback. I clearly recall nearly every poster wanted him gone years ago.

 

That's beside the point of whether this particular trade made sense.

[Bellhorn04]

"Should have known" is a Wicker Man size straw man.

[moonslav59]

This isn't true at all. It's easy enough to go back to the first few pages of this post and see a lot of people complaining about the trade and many others being luke warm at best. You weren't alone on an island as you are pretending to be.

 

Indeed, it was far from "almost everyone," and not a single person called Brez a "genius" for this trade.

 

Some liked the idea of making a strong move to improve our 2B situation, which has been one of the worst positions in MLB for over 5 years.

 

Some felt was some value in trading a high injury risk pitcher and using some of the savings to sign a pitcher known for durability.

 

I recall many feeling skeptical about the deal on many fronts. Several posters were against the trade from day one, while others seemed to focus their distaste for the money aspect of the deal, only. Now, it seems like many are sounding like we did or should have known, at the time, this trade was awful or made "no sense." Hardly anyone said it "made no sense," back then.

 

Had Sale gotten hurt, again, we'd have heard nothing.

Had Grissom won the 2B job and done well, we'd have heard less, even if Sale was doing well.

Had Gio stayed healthy and pitched well, it would not be so bad.

 

However, every aspect of this trade and the loss of Gio for the season turned out to be the perfect cluster storm of failure.

[Bellhorn04]

Indeed, it was far from "almost everyone," and not a single person called Brez a "genius" for this trade.

 

Some liked the idea of making a strong move to improve our 2B situation, which has been one of the worst positions in MLB for over 5 years.

 

Some felt was some value in trading a high injury risk pitcher and using some of the savings to sign a pitcher known for durability.

 

I recall many feeling skeptical about the deal on many fronts. Several posters were against the trade from day one, while others seemed to focus their distaste for the money aspect of the deal, only. Now, it seems like many are sounding like we did or should have known, at the time, this trade was awful or made "no sense." Hardly anyone said it "made no sense," back then.

 

Don't forget that back then we didn't know Giolito was going to be the sole replacement for Sale.

 

If we all knew that at the time, I think the consensus of opinions at the time would have been hugely negative.

[mvp 78]

For the last couple years, everyone said “you can’t count on Sale.” But this year its changed to “they should have counted on Sale.”

 

They should have known he'd have a redemption arc and finally be healthy for the first time since 2017!

[mvp 78]

I thought your "Betts lite" post was the best.

 

Hard to pick which of my posts are the best TBH.

[mvp 78]

And for good reason. Things couldn’t have gone any more wrong for the Red Sox even if the Red Sox had planned it that way.

 

That's the risk every time you make a move. You can lose every trade. Every FA signing can be a bust.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, maybe it's time to get behind Breslow a bit. He's clearly executing a plan, at least.

 

What happened to this guy?

[Bellhorn04]

What happened to this guy?

 

I thought the dumb SOB had more in mind than Giolito. My bad.

[moonslav59]

Don't forget that back then we didn't know Giolito was going to be the sole replacement for Sale.

 

If we all knew that at the time, I think the consensus of opinions at the time would have been hugely negative.

 

No doubt. 100%.

 

One can argue we didn't even spend the Sale savings on Gio, since we actually cut payroll.

 

Some expected us to spend up to or near the tax line, last winter, and not doing so had a clear impact of our roste5r and roster depth, especially pitching.

[Old Red]

No doubt. 100%.

 

One can argue we didn't even spend the Sale savings on Gio, since we actually cut payroll.

 

Some expected us to spend up to or near the tax line, last winter, and not doing so had a clear impact of our roste5r and roster depth, especially pitching.

One can’t argue that payroll was cut. They may have saved $10M on what they are paying Sale, but Gio might not have been signed if they didn’t. Sale would have cost $27M, but still paying Sale $17M, and paying Gio $18M does not add up to any savings to me.

[notin]

They should have known he'd have a redemption arc and finally be healthy for the first time since 2017!

 

If the Sox kept Sale and he went down again, I’m sure lots of people would understand. Probably lots of people in favor of picking up his option for next year as well. Hey, eventually we can count on him…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If the Sox kept Sale and he went down again, I’m sure lots of people would understand. Probably lots of people in favor of picking up his option for next year as well. Hey, eventually we can count on him…

 

The only way the Red Sox knew they could count on Chris Sale was if Big Panda sat on him, and El Guapo put an abacus on his back.

[notin]

The only way the Red Sox knew they could count on Chris Sale was if Big Panda sat on him, and El Guapo put an abacus on his back.

 

The consensus today is the only team to finish under .500 in the last two seasons should have gambled on keeping Sale for some reason…

[Old Red]

The consensus today is the only team to finish under .500 in the last two seasons should have gambled on keeping Sale for some reason…

 

And the Braves are thanking the Red Sox 17M times over for not doing it. And as things have turned out A win for the Braves, and a loss in more ways than one for the Red Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

The consensus today is the only team to finish under .500 in the last two seasons should have gambled on keeping Sale for some reason…

 

Yeah, it's great they went with the sure things of Giolito and Grissom instead.

 

It's all about sure things and who you can count on and all that.

[mvp 78]

I would say unbelievable, but anything is possible when it comes to Chris FRAIL.

 

DD deserves all the bashing in the world, and then some for the Sale ext. Enough said.

 

NOBODY should ever count on him again.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Are we going to COUNT ON Story for next year? The answer can only be yes or no. If the answer is no he must be traded for whatever you can get and eat as much money as necessary. This is how these things must work. It's all simple stuff, all black and white, man!

[Old Red]

 

Yes, and I don’t take back any of those especially that I would have Never given Sale the extension that DD did in the first place, and I said it when it happened.The big thing in all of this Sale stuff now is the way it’s turned out, and as usual the Red Sox could have used Sale this year pitching like he has.

[mvp 78]

Are we going to COUNT ON Story for next year? The answer can only be yes or no. If the answer is no he must be traded for whatever you can get and eat as much money as necessary. This is how these things must work. It's all simple stuff, all black and white, man!

 

Trade him even if you eat money. If he's an All Star elsewhere, it's just too bad.

[Bellhorn04]

Trade him even if you eat money. If he's an All Star elsewhere, it's just too bad.

 

Yes sir, we can always get along without him somehow. We'll still field a team and play 162!

[mvp 78]

Yes sir, we can always get along without him somehow. We'll still field a team and play 162!

 

Just find a SS that can field the dang ball and have him play until Mayer is ready (Miguel Rojas type).

[notin]

Are we going to COUNT ON Story for next year? The answer can only be yes or no. If the answer is no he must be traded for whatever you can get and eat as much money as necessary. This is how these things must work. It's all simple stuff, all black and white, man!

 

 

If the Sox could trade Story, don’t you think they would? Didn’t they try last offseason?

[notin]

Yeah, it's great they went with the sure things of Giolito and Grissom instead.

 

It's all about sure things and who you can count on and all that.

 

Like most of us early in this thread, you were in favor of this trade, right?

 

It’s an understandable position. It’s been a long time since Sale was Sale. I bet plenty of folks expected him to be injured by now…