A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[moonslav59]

Hard to believe isn’t it that WL records would matter most to fans?

 

Nobody is saying otherwise.

[Old Red]

Nobody is saying otherwise.

 

In the here, and now of course.

[Dipre]

I believe that would be 700, or many others. I just wouldn’t have hired him, or anyone else back under the same situation.

 

Great. But you don't own the Red Sox.

[Dipre]

If excuses for Bloom's failure were nickels , I would have enough for season tickets to Fenway.

 

Very informative! Isn't there an actual way for you to cash those in? I'd like a pìece of that action.

[moonslav59]

If I had a nickel for every ti e someone said, “if I had a penny (or nickel,)” I’d have a shitload of nickels.

[Duran Is The Man]

You don't think that he deserves at least a B because he has brought in some good potential major leaguers as well as building up the analytics department?

 

LOL, no. if this is the best his analytics dept can do, then well....maybe they need to be fired too.

[Larry Cook]

If I had a $ for every time I heard budget slashed, 5 year plan, rebuild, all in, building up the farm, and foundation ect on here I’d be rich, but if I had a $ for every time I heard it elsewhere Id go broke.

 

Who knows our organization could have great for decades of Hang’em Chaim had the full five years to enact his plan!

[jad]

Nobody is saying otherwise.

 

I'll say otherwise. Given that I watched the RS with equal enthusiasm and interest for decades despite their record. That's why things like the Betts trade and not re-signing Bogaerts are so annoying. What I care about is interesting ball, athletic if possible, with players I have followed and like. It's entertainment. If you're a fan of the band Burnt Nickel and you go to one of their concerts, you're not satisfied with being told "Great news! Tonight's music brought to you by Fungal Insight! Fear not, they are actually BETTER and cheaper. Trust me! And no, there are no refunds."

[Hugh2]

LOL, no. if this is the best his analytics dept can do, then well....maybe they need to be fired too.

 

The analytics department don’t make decisions.

[Hugh2]

Who knows our organization could have great for decades of Hang’em Chaim had the full five years to enact his plan!

 

I know this is a joke, but if the farm starts churning out pitchers or even position players at a much higher rate doesn’t he get partial credit for that?

[Hugh2]

If I had a nickel for every ti e someone said, “if I had a penny (or nickel,)” I’d have a shitload of nickels.

 

The ones who say they’d be millionaires, I question their math skills. Dude, you didn’t hear something 20 million times, you’d have maybe like $5

[Bellhorn04]

I'll say otherwise. Given that I watched the RS with equal enthusiasm and interest for decades despite their record. That's why things like the Betts trade and not re-signing Bogaerts are so annoying. What I care about is interesting ball, athletic if possible, with players I have followed and like. It's entertainment. If you're a fan of the band Burnt Nickel and you go to one of their concerts, you're not satisfied with being told "Great news! Tonight's music brought to you by Fungal Insight! Fear not, they are actually BETTER and cheaper. Trust me! And no, there are no refunds."

 

The problem is the baseball players have these things called "contracts" which have limited terms and can be hellaciously expensive and risky and under which the players continue to get paid full dollar even if they're at home injured or aren't good enough to perform at the major league level any more...

[notin]

The problem is the baseball players have these things called "contracts" which have limited terms and can be hellaciously expensive and risky and under which the players continue to get paid full dollar even if they're at home injured or aren't good enough to perform at the major league level any more...

 

And if you give a really big Contract to Player A, it can and often does hamper your ability to give an even bigger contract to Player B. And giving out both often means saying goodbye to Player C…

[notin]

If I had a $ for every time I heard budget slashed, 5 year plan, rebuild, all in, building up the farm, and foundation ect on here I’d be rich, but if I had a $ for every time I heard it elsewhere Id go broke.

 

 

That is because every time the team plays well, you go into hiding to deliberately avoid positive talk about them…

[Old Red]

That is because every time the team plays well, you go into hiding to deliberately avoid positive talk about them…

 

Ah, your, and Moon’s company line. Very nice that you wave Pom Poms, but where did that short time euphoria get you the last two years. Last place, and out of the postseason, so keep on waving those Pom Poms when you get giddy, and then just sit back, and watch as things go back to s*****.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Old Red

[notin]

Ah, your, and Moon’s company line. Very nice that you wave Pom Poms, but where did that short time euphoria get you the last two years. Last place, and out of the postseason, so keep on waving those Pom Poms when you get giddy, and then just sit back, and watch as things go back to s*****.

 

The Sox won last night. Why are you here?

[Old Red]

The Sox won last night. Why are you here?

 

Playing meaningless games in garbage time is what the Red Sox have been regulated to do by Bloom, and some actually get giddy on here after a few wins, and think the Red Sox are actually better than they really are. I’m not one of those.

[Duran Is The Man]

The analytics department don’t make decisions.

 

good gawd, really? they give input that leads to decisions.

[moonslav59]

LOL, no. if this is the best his analytics dept can do, then well....maybe they need to be fired too.

 

Maybe they did better than we think, but Bloom just couldn't pull the trigger on the guys they said were good, like Eflin.

 

They also seemed to just miss the timing on guys like Springs & Martin Perez.

 

Looks like a possible major swing and miss on Yoshi- "the guy they wanted," since he was in diapers.

[moonslav59]

I'll say otherwise. Given that I watched the RS with equal enthusiasm and interest for decades despite their record. That's why things like the Betts trade and not re-signing Bogaerts are so annoying. What I care about is interesting ball, athletic if possible, with players I have followed and like. It's entertainment. If you're a fan of the band Burnt Nickel and you go to one of their concerts, you're not satisfied with being told "Great news! Tonight's music brought to you by Fungal Insight! Fear not, they are actually BETTER and cheaper. Trust me! And no, there are no refunds."

 

Sorry, but you'd be bitching, if this team had Betts and Bogey and were on pace for 90-95 losses, because of the putrid players around them forced by the budget constraints those two would have placed on the GM.

[Randy Red Sox]

Maybe they did better than we think, but Bloom just couldn't pull the trigger on the guys they said were good, like Eflin.

 

They also seemed to just miss the timing on guys like Springs & Martin Perez.

 

Looks like a possible major swing and miss on Yoshi- "the guy they wanted," since he was in diapers.

 

I read on Boston.com today that Bloom turned down a Turner trade to the Marlins for Edward Cabera a hard throwing 25 yr old. That alone was worth firing him for since Turner is almost certain to walk after this year.

[moonslav59]

Ah, your, and Moon’s company line. Very nice that you wave Pom Poms, but where did that short time euphoria get you the last two years. Last place, and out of the postseason, so keep on waving those Pom Poms when you get giddy, and then just sit back, and watch as things go back to s*****.

 

Still can never understand why rooting for your team to win while trying to stay optimistic bothers you so much.

 

If a fan can't get excited, when the team is winning, because deep down "they should have known we really suck," then what the freaking f***?

 

Go on gloating all through the winter. You were right all along. We suck. Throw it in our faces. It seems to bring you more joy that had we won, and you know, if we were on pace for 88-90 wins, you would not be here. You'd be convincing yourself you don't watch the game anymore, because "it's watered down," yet now that we are losing, again, the game is exciting enough for you to start watching more.

 

What a bizarre way to be a fan, and this from someone who attempts to speak for "the majority" of Sox Nation.

 

I hope to hell most Sox fans aren't like you.

[moonslav59]

I read on Boston.com today that Bloom turned down a Turner trade to the Marlins for Edward Cabera a hard throwing 25 yr old. That alone was worth firing him for since Turner is almost certain to walk after this year.

 

It's hard for me to be critical on this, as it would be hindsight. I thought we should have been sellers, last year and buyers, this year. I guess, in hindsight I'm at .500.

 

The haul we could have gotten by a massive 2022 firesale would have blown away what we'd have gotten for JT, Duvall and Paxton.

[Bellhorn04]

Still can never understand why rooting for your team to win while trying to stay optimistic bothers you so much.

 

If a fan can't get excited, when the team is winning, because deep down "they should have known we really suck," then what the freaking f***?

 

Go on gloating all through the winter. You were right all along. We suck. Throw it in our faces. It seems to bring you more joy that had we won, and you know, if we were on pace for 88-90 wins, you would not be here. You'd be convincing yourself you don't watch the game anymore, because "it's watered down," yet now that we are losing, again, the game is exciting enough for you to start watching more.

 

What a bizarre way to be a fan, and this from someone who attempts to speak for "the majority" of Sox Nation.

 

I hope to hell most Sox fans aren't like you.

 

Well moon, as you say, last year you wanted a fire sale. That wasn't very optimistic about the 2022 team's chances.

 

We really shouldn't be questioning each other's fandom.

[notin]

I read on Boston.com today that Bloom turned down a Turner trade to the Marlins for Edward Cabera a hard throwing 25 yr old. That alone was worth firing him for since Turner is almost certain to walk after this year.

 

That was also selling. I would have been happier with selling than what abloom would up doing.

 

I’d have made that trade, but let’s not pretend Cabrera is anything more than one of thousands of “raw stuff” guys who shows flashes of potential but ultimately struggles to stay in MLB…

[moonslav59]

Well moon, as you say, last year you wanted a fire sale. That wasn't very optimistic about the 2022 team's chances.

 

We really shouldn't be questioning each other's fandom.

 

I'm justified in being critical, here. This is not about Red being a fan or not.

 

A fan that mocks others for rooting for their team and being optimistic when they are doing well deserves to be criticized for it.

 

Many fans gloat. I'm fine with that, although it seems a bit childish, IMO.

 

Nobody is asking him to get "giddy" when we are winning, but to ridicule others for doing what most fans do: root for their team and try to be positive when things are looking good is questionable behavior.

 

I know I was one of the first to "give up on our chances" at winning in 2022, but I still watched every game and rotted for us to win. I wanted a fire sale, so our team would be better in 2023 and maybe much better beyond. I don't think I came back here and gloated about being right, and ridiculed those who felt we should have been buyers last summer. I didn't mock you guys for believing in the 2022 team at the end of July.

 

I'm not claiming o be a great fan. I have my faults.

 

Lord knows Red calls me out on anything and everything. He even invents my positions for me, just to have more to tear down.

 

Mocking loyal fans deserves to be pointed out and criticized. Whether he is a true fan or not is not my intention, here. (It was in the past.)

[moonslav59]

That was also selling. I would have been happier with selling than what abloom would up doing.

 

I’d have made that trade, but let’s not pretend Cabrera is anything more than one of thousands of “raw stuff” guys who shows flashes of potential but ultimately struggles to stay in MLB…

 

Cabrera reminds me of DHern.

[notin]

Cabrera reminds me of DHern.

 

I’d have been more OK with not making it if Bloom committed more to buying than just getting an injured 2b facing a non-tender…

[moonslav59]

I’d have been more OK with not making it if Bloom committed more to buying than just getting an injured 2b facing a non-tender…

 

Or, like last year, trying to walk the line as a buyer and a seller.

 

Even the Diekman for McGuire trade, which was a good one, was not a significant difference maker. Maybe getting Abreu, EValdez and Rosier will be, but we could have gotten great prospects by going full sell mode.

 

It's not easy being a GM in BOS. You are bashed if you buy, bashed if you sell, bashed if you do both and based if you do nothing. Of course, not doing any very well at any doesn't help, either.

[moonslav59]

I’d have been more OK with not making it if Bloom committed more to buying than just getting an injured 2b facing a non-tender…

 

I like Urias but do wonder, if he'll be worth his 2024 contract.