A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[Old Red]

Great.

 

It’s still the worst offensive stat. What does it tell you?

 

How about Arreaz in Miami hitting 402. Great huh?

[moonslav59]

Don’t forget you’re trying to argue that the Sox don’t get players who can hit and field. And in the process you actually included a former Gold Glove winner with a home run title to his credit. It doesn’t matter whether or not your care about Duvall’s Gold Glove or that he is not being used at his best position. The fact is they actually got a guy like that and you’re digging all over the place to find a way not to accept him as exactly the type of player you were complaining the Sox don’t get…

 

And he is hitting well, this year.

[notin]

How about Arreaz in Miami hitting 402. Great huh?

 

Ok.

 

Is he a better hitter this year than Freddie Freeman or Yordan Alvarez?

 

In should point out when I call batting average the worst offensive stat, I am referring to how it tells you the least about a hitter…

Edited June 11, 2023 by notin

[Old Red]

Ok.

 

Is he a better hitter this year than Freddie Freeman or Yordan Alvarez?

 

In should point out when I call batting average the worst offensive stat, I am referring to how it tells you the least about a hitter…

How about Kike who’s 6 for his last 40 that Moon said was starting to heat up. Is that good?

[Maxbialystock]

Nice, but I’m talking about now, and I don’t see that going on in the 2023 season. Did Duvall win a gold glove for playing in CF? No. That was for RF, and now he’s 2 yrs older, and slower trying to play CF.

 

I think I understand. You want a guy who fields and hits like Willie Mays and, also like Willie, would be willing to play for, say, $500K/year. Dream on.

 

Your prototypical centerfielder is Mike Trout. If he only plays 80 games in a season, he would be paid $500K per game.

 

There's also some guy named Hernandez, but I forget who he plays for. Two years ago he played centerfield with an OPS of .786, and overall WAR of 4.9 and a DWAR of 2.1. So you gotta ask yourself why didn't Bloom go after that guy?

[notin]

How about Kike who’s 6 for his last 40 that Moon said was starting to heat up. Is that good?

 

Nope, for multiple reasons. Point?

[Old Red]

Nope, for multiple reasons. Point?

 

Correction 7-40.

[Old Red]

I think I understand. You want a guy who fields and hits like Willie Mays and, also like Willie, would be willing to play for, say, $500K/year. Dream on.

 

Your prototypical centerfielder is Mike Trout. If he only plays 80 games in a season, he would be paid $500K per game.

 

There's also some guy named Hernandez, but I forget who he plays for. Two years ago he played centerfield with an OPS of .786, and overall WAR of 4.9 and a DWAR of 2.1. So you gotta ask yourself why didn't Bloom go after that guy?

 

I’d settle for a Reggie Smith, or a Fred Lynn. The HErnandez people are still living in the past. This is not two years ago. 2 years ago the Red Sox were a winning team that came within a couple of games of going to the WS. Ever since they have been a losing, last place in the Div team. 2 years is a long time ago.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Nope, for multiple reasons. Point?

 

How about a .731 OPS and 11 RBI in 15 games?

 

The RBIs are Renfroesqe.

 

The recent OPS is not great but does show signs of improvement.

[moonslav59]

I think I understand. You want a guy who fields and hits like Willie Mays and, also like Willie, would be willing to play for, say, $500K/year. Dream on.

 

Your prototypical centerfielder is Mike Trout. If he only plays 80 games in a season, he would be paid $500K per game.

 

There's also some guy named Hernandez, but I forget who he plays for. Two years ago he played centerfield with an OPS of .786, and overall WAR of 4.9 and a DWAR of 2.1. So you gotta ask yourself why didn't Bloom go after that guy?

 

GMs are supposed to know the future?

 

I wonder why we hear about Nate and JD, and even Wacha, but all the blather about losing Bogey has gone deathly silent.

 

That was the biggest blunder by Bloom, according to this site just 2 months ago.

[notin]

I’d settle for a Reggie Smith, or a Fred Lynn. The HErnandez people are still living in the past. This is not two years ago. 2 years ago the Red Sox were a winning team that came within a couple of games of going to the WS. Ever since they have been a losing, last place in the Div team. 2 years is a long time ago.

 

Right.

 

The Hernandez people are living in the past. Not the Fred Lynn/Reggie Smith crowd…

[Nick]

First Whitlock then Tanner.

 

They both pitched well. 6 and 4 years of team control.

 

Isn't this how you build a staff?

 

Up next is Bello.

[Bellhorn04]

GMs are supposed to know the future?

 

I wonder why we hear about Nate and JD, and even Wacha, but all the blather about losing Bogey has gone deathly silent.

 

That was the biggest blunder by Bloom, according to this site just 2 months ago.

 

Good point, moon. Bogaerts was in a nasty slump for a while there, owing partly to a sore wrist, apparently.

 

But let's take a look at some hard cold metrics:

 

Xander Bogaerts fWAR 1.8 bWAR 1.7 FUBAR 1.75

Kike Hernandez fWAR -0.4 bWAR -0.3 FUBAR -0.35

 

Yes, I think that qualifies as making the team worse.

[Bellhorn04]

First Whitlock then Tanner.

 

They both pitched well. 6 and 4 years of team control.

 

Isn't this how you build a staff?

 

Up next is Bello.

 

The one caveat being that the Yankees without Judge are not a good offensive team.

 

But hopefully they keep it going.

 

To me it's especially encouraging to see Whitlock being able to go that deep in games.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

GMs are supposed to know the future?

 

I wonder why we hear about Nate and JD, and even Wacha, but all the blather about losing Bogey has gone deathly silent.

 

That was the biggest blunder by Bloom, according to this site just 2 months ago.

 

Come on, we all blathered about losing the face that the franchise claimed was its Number One Priority. Bloom and the boys also claimed he was staying, up until the witching hour when they were suddenly stunned when Bogey left.

 

Nobody is really pining for X anymore because we've learned in the Bloom Era that it's always time to move on from fan favorites. But everyone is lamenting the biggest blunder -- even beyond losing three decent starting pitchers -- and there's no denying this: Bloom still hasn't replaced the Red Sox starting shortstop with an actual starting shortstop.

Edited June 11, 2023 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75

[Bellhorn04]

As for Yoshida, yes, his bat is good. But he's a poor defender and baserunner, so his WAR is 1.0, which means he's barely on pace to earn his $18 million.

[Bellhorn04]

Come on, we all blathered about losing the face that the franchise claimed was its Number One Priority. Bloom and the boys also claimed he was staying, up until the witching hour they were suddenly stunned when Bogey left.

 

Nobody is really pining for X anymore because we've learned in the Bloom Era that it's always time to move on from fan favorites. But everyone is lamenting the biggest blunder -- even beyond losing three decent starting pitchers -- and there's no denying this: Bloom still hasn't replaced the Red Sox starting shortstop with an actual starting shortstop.

 

All he had to do was sign Jose Iglesias, who has been able to do no better than a minor league deal with the San Diego Shortstops.

[Bellhorn04]

No worries though, it's gonna be awesome. Bloom said so. Of course he also said this year was gonna be way better than last year. Hmmm, can we really trust this guy?

[Nick]

There is humor in Kike seeking assurance from the team that Sox would be better in 2023.

 

The question should have been directed from the Sox to Kike.

[Bellhorn04]

There is humor in Kike seeking assurance from the team that Sox would be better in 2023.

 

The question should have been directed from the Sox to Kike.

 

True, although he probably didn't realize he'd be playing shortstop. If he'd known that he would have known the Sox weren't going to be better.

 

Either way he gets to keep the $10 mill, though, just like Kluber does...

[Old Red]

GMs are supposed to know the future?

 

I wonder why we hear about Nate and JD, and even Wacha, but all the blather about losing Bogey has gone deathly silent.

 

That was the biggest blunder by Bloom, according to this site just 2 months ago.

 

During the Red Sox winning streak when some were all giddy on here, and someone said Mookie who. You even called Mookie a bum of a leadoff hitter. Well that bum of a leadoff hitter has 17 HR, and 41 RBI.Wow!

[Old Red]

There is humor in Kike seeking assurance from the team that Sox would be better in 2023.

 

The question should have been directed from the Sox to Kike.

Good one!

[Nick]

True, although he probably didn't realize he'd be playing shortstop. If he'd known that he would have known the Sox weren't going to be better.

 

Either way he gets to keep the $10 mill, though, just like Kluber does...

 

But in an TV interview, he did say he prefers playing shortstop. Not much action in centerfield or something in that vain he said.

[Nick]

I realize the Yanks did not have Judge but

 

Tanner Houck pitched a great game last night.

 

You can almost say that both homers were Yankee stadium special. I'm not sure too many parks that would have been a homer on the second one. It was hit very low and not deep.

 

Also in both games, I believe Story would have made the difference at second base. The transfer mishandle by Arroyo in game 1 and at the very least holding the runner at 3rd base when the Yanks scored run #3.

 

It is what it is but

 

You give credit where the credit is due. Tanner pitched like a major league starter last night. It sure seems easier to find middle reliever than a bullpen arm.

 

It's very unfortunate that we don't have Eovaldi to go along with Paxton. With a healthy Sale, that would been a very solid starting rotation.

 

My guess is we're all IN on that Japanese pitcher that's coming over.

[Old Red]

But in an TV interview, he did say he prefers playing shortstop. Not much action in centerfield or something in that vain he said.

 

Yes Kike says he’s an IF who plays the OF, and does play CF quite well. Kike gives it all he’s got wherever he plays, and even though he’s made some great plays at SS he just not consistent enough to play there FT. His bat hasn’t been good for two years now either.

[Nick]

I see Yoshida as a DH at some point. He has quick feet but he doesn't get anywhere while running hard. He runs in place or it seems.

[dannycater]

I'm sorry, but again, this is where Bloom is just not very good...He gets a nice hitter (who let's face it was taking a real gamble as he never played a MLB game--think Rusney Castillo and that long ago waste of money), but he doesn't take into account there is more to baseball than just hitting...I'm happy Yoshida is one of 14 current MLB hitters above .300, but his upside in a s***** lineup is certainly knocked down by the other failing parts.

[dannycater]

Ok.

 

Is he a better hitter this year than Freddie Freeman or Yordan Alvarez?

 

In should point out when I call batting average the worst offensive stat, I am referring to how it tells you the least about a hitter…

 

Which is why ripping Schwarber .175 but realizing that he hits HR, RBI and produces is stupid.

[dannycater]

Betts, JD, Eavoldi, Wacha...I'm guessing the Sox would be challenging for the division title, not a game under.

[notin]

All he had to do was sign Jose Iglesias, who has been able to do no better than a minor league deal with the San Diego Shortstops.

 

Iglesias, Grigorius or Simmons.

 

Or, play Hamilton. Or Reyes…