A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[notin]

And I feel the Red Sox could have done better with the $10M, and not resigned him in the first place. He’s not a good enough hitter to be playing every day at any position. A late inning defensive replacement in the OF maybe, but for $10M.

 

No, his defense in the OF needs to be out there full time. It can be game-changing. His low BA shouldn’t be an obstacle.

 

As for him being overpriced, in an off-season where Almedys Diaz is getting 2 yrs $14.5mill, Kike for $10mill for one year is absolutely not a problem…

[Old Red]

No, his defense in the OF needs to be out there full time. It can be game-changing. His low BA shouldn’t be an obstacle.

 

As for him being overpriced, in an off-season where Almedys Diaz is getting 2 yrs $14.5mill, Kike for $10mill for one year is absolutely not a problem…

All these 1 year contracts add up $27M for Kike, Duvall, and Clubber.How about getting someone who can play D, and actually hit?

Edited June 10, 2023 by Old Red

[Duran Is The Man]

I doubt it.

 

They could pay Hamilton or Reyes at SS and move Kike to 2b. Then the Sox would be starting either on over Valdez or Arroyo, not Hernandez. Kike isn’t a horrible player; he’s just a horrible shortstop…

 

they certainly could. and i'd be all for it. the question is why haven't they?

[Nick]

All these 1 year contracts add up $27M for Kike, Duvall, and Clubber.How about getting someone who can play D, and actually hit?

 

Bingo....

 

We waste so much money on fringe players in the range of $5M-$10M each year.

 

I guess then you can always use the excuse of "well, it's just for one year". Ugh.

[Nick]

Bloom better start thinking about this off season right now.....I just don't see any point in having someone like Kike playing full time, unless of course Cora wants him back on ANOTHER one year deal for $12M.....we get his game.

[notin]

Bingo....

 

We waste so much money on fringe players in the range of $5M-$10M each year.

 

I guess then you can always use the excuse of "well, it's just for one year". Ugh.

 

They spend the money on fringe players to fill multiple roles. None of Kluber, Duvall or Kike were brought on for the bench…

[notin]

All these 1 year contracts add up $27M for Kike, Duvall, and Clubber.How about getting someone who can play D, and actually hit?

 

You literally included a former home run champ Gold Glove outfielder with an OPS over 1.400 in an ask for a player who can field and hit…

[Old Red]

You literally included a former home run champ Gold Glove outfielder with an OPS over 1.400 in an ask for a player who can field and hit…

 

Nice, but I’m talking about now, and I don’t see that going on in the 2023 season. Did Duvall win a gold glove for playing in CF? No. That was for RF, and now he’s 2 yrs older, and slower trying to play CF.

[notin]

Nice, but I’m talking about now, and I don’t see that going on in the 2023 season. Did Duvall win a gold glove for playing in CF? No. That was for RF, and now he’s 2 yrs older, and slower trying to play CF.

 

He’s back. Even if not a Gold Glover, he’s an excellent defensive outfielder. Also - OPS over 1.400. Now. This year. 2023…

[Old Red]

He’s back. Even if not a Gold Glover, he’s an excellent defensive outfielder. Also - OPS over 1.400. Now. This year. 2023…

 

The play that Duvall got hurt on if a CF with a little speed, and decent range like Kike, or JBJ probably would have caught the ball standing up. No one said Duvall is not a good OF, but he’s not fast enough to play a good CF. Going with his OPS in just a few hot games to start the season? Wow! Talk about a small sample size, but it is what it is. For now.

[notin]

The play that Duvall got hurt on if a CF with a little speed, and decent range like Kike, or JBJ probably would have caught the ball standing up. No one said Duvall is not a good OF, but he’s not fast enough to play a good CF. Going with his OPS in just a few hot games to start the season? Wow! Talk about a small sample size, but it is what it is. For now.

 

 

Right.

 

Much better than the “he hasn’t won a Gold Glove in two years” argument…

[Old Red]

Right.

 

Much better than the “he hasn’t won a Gold Glove in two years” argument…

 

That was for RF, and not RF in Fenway either, and like I said he’s two years older, and slower now. He’s played less games in CF than he has the other two OF positions.

Edited June 10, 2023 by Old Red

[dgalehouse]

Sweep the Yankees.

[notin]

That was for RF, and not RF in Fenway either, and like I said he’s two years older, and slower now. He’s played less games in CF than he has the other two OF positions.

 

He’s spent minimal time in CF, but think about how you’re trying to downplay his 2021 GG for RF. In order to win that, he had to beat out a certain Dodgers RF. That takes some skill. He’s far from a bad OF. Heck he’s far from an average OF…

[Old Red]

He’s spent minimal time in CF, but think about how you’re trying to downplay his 2021 GG for RF. In order to win that, he had to beat out a certain Dodgers RF. That takes some skill. He’s far from a bad OF. Heck he’s far from an average OF…

I don’t care about what Duvall did in 2021with the glove, or the bat. If he beat out Mookie for the gold glove then great. This is 2023 now, and he’s 34, and not fleet afoot trying to play CF, which is not his best position, but that’s what Bloom does. Like last year the Red Sox needed a CF/RF, so what does Bloom do go out, and get Pham a LF, so a heavier Dugy had to shift over to RF. You keep trying to build Duvall up as a CF for Bloom, but it’s not working with me. Maybe try someone else you’ll might have better luck.

[moonslav59]

No, his defense in the OF needs to be out there full time. It can be game-changing. His low BA shouldn’t be an obstacle.

 

As for him being overpriced, in an off-season where Almedys Diaz is getting 2 yrs $14.5mill, Kike for $10mill for one year is absolutely not a problem…

 

Not that a .726 OPS over his last 55 PAs is good, but if Kike can hit that and play CF\2B, that’s good enough for FT.

 

Maybe he can find the magic from 2021 and other seasons, but I won’t hold my breath.

[Old Red]

Chang is expected back Monday.

[Hugh2]

Chang is expected back Monday.

 

One can only hope he can pick up where he left off. He really set the roster straight by sliding into SS.

[Hugh2]

I don’t care about what Duvall did in 2021with the glove, or the bat. If he beat out Mookie for the gold glove then great. This is 2023 now, and he’s 34, and not fleet afoot trying to play CF, which is not his best position, but that’s what Bloom does. Like last year the Red Sox needed a CF/RF, so what does Bloom do go out, and get Pham a LF, so a heavier Dugy had to shift over to RF. You keep trying to build Duvall up as a CF for Bloom, but it’s not working with me. Maybe try someone else you’ll might have better luck.

 

Yeah, but who was available in the OF market this past season? I know how much you lose this question.

[Old Red]

Yeah, but who was available in the OF market this past season? I know how much you lose this question.

 

I don’t know, but I bet Duvall wasn’t the only one Available. I’d be fine with him in LF/RF, but the whole up the middle D hasn’t been the best, and far from it.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, but who was available in the OF market this past season? I know how much you lose this question.

 

Also, had just one of our3 SSs been healthy, Story/Mondesi/Chang, and we could have used another or Arroyo/Kike at 2B and Kike in CF, Duval in LF.

 

That’s not a bad defense. The SS situation snowballed into 3 downgrades at important defensive positions.

[Hugh2]

I don’t know, but I bet Duvall wasn’t the only one Available. I’d be fine with him in LF/RF, but the whole up the middle D hasn’t been the best, and far from it.

 

Then you’re out Yoshida or Verdugo. Unless you’re playing Verdugo in CF. Which given the way this season has gone….isn’t the worse idea

[Old Red]

Then you’re out Yoshida or Verdugo. Unless you’re playing Verdugo in CF. Which given the way this season has gone….isn’t the worse idea

 

I’m not out on anyone. Yoshida would fit better at DH. Duvall would fit better in LF/RF. Turner fits better at DH, and Kike if he fits at all fits better in CF.

[moonslav59]

Crawford given rotation role.

 

Bleis will have season ending shoulder surgery.

[notin]

I don’t care about what Duvall did in 2021with the glove, or the bat. If he beat out Mookie for the gold glove then great. This is 2023 now, and he’s 34, and not fleet afoot trying to play CF, which is not his best position, but that’s what Bloom does. Like last year the Red Sox needed a CF/RF, so what does Bloom do go out, and get Pham a LF, so a heavier Dugy had to shift over to RF. You keep trying to build Duvall up as a CF for Bloom, but it’s not working with me. Maybe try someone else you’ll might have better luck.

 

Don’t forget you’re trying to argue that the Sox don’t get players who can hit and field. And in the process you actually included a former Gold Glove winner with a home run title to his credit. It doesn’t matter whether or not your care about Duvall’s Gold Glove or that he is not being used at his best position. The fact is they actually got a guy like that and you’re digging all over the place to find a way not to accept him as exactly the type of player you were complaining the Sox don’t get…

[Old Red]

Don’t forget you’re trying to argue that the Sox don’t get players who can hit and field. And in the process you actually included a former Gold Glove winner with a home run title to his credit. It doesn’t matter whether or not your care about Duvall’s Gold Glove or that he is not being used at his best position. The fact is they actually got a guy like that and you’re digging all over the place to find a way not to accept him as exactly the type of player you were complaining the Sox don’t get…

Wow! Talking about grasping at straws, and stretch them out. The key word here is FORMER gold glove. Is he still that same player at 34? You even said yourself that he is not playing the same position that he won his gold glove in. I think you have to cover more ground in CF than you do in RF in Atlanta. So your theory is, because he won a gold glove 2 years ago at a different position that somehow translates into him being a good CF in Boston. I’m not even disputing he’s a good OF, but only that he’s not fleet afoot with good enough range to be a good CF at 34 yrs old, who will be 35 in Sept, and has never had blazing speed to begin with.

Edited June 10, 2023 by Old Red

[notin]

Wow! Talking about grasping at straws, and stretch them out. The key word here is FORMER gold glove. Is he still that same player at 34? You even said yourself that he is not playing the same position that he won his gold glove in. I think you have to cover more ground in CF than you do in RF in Atlanta. So your theory is, because he won a gold glove 2 years ago at a different position that somehow translates into him being a good CF in Boston. I’m not even disputing he’s a good OF, but only that he’s not fleet afoot with good enough range to be a good CF at 34 yrs old, who will be 35 in Sept, and has never had blazing speed to begin with.

 

Right. Former Gold Glove winner. Two whole years ago.

 

I suppose Bloom needed the REIGNING Gold Glove winner in CF. So despite neither being available to any degree we know of, should it have been Trent Grisham (BA .184) or Miles Straw (BA .221)?

 

I include their batting averages because, despite it being the most useless offensive stat, you seem to like it and, as far as I can tell, use it to measure defense. Which is why you spent all off-season and a good chunk of the regular season crapping on the idea of getting defensive whiz (and available free agent at the time) Joey Gallo. Batter all - low batting average.

 

So what AVAILABLE outfielder should the Sox have gotten? And by your own standards, cannot have some old rusty Gold Glove as far back as 2021…

[Old Red]

Right. Former Gold Glove winner. Two whole years ago.

 

I suppose Bloom needed the REIGNING Gold Glove winner in CF. So despite neither being available to any degree we know of, should it have been Trent Grisham (BA .184) or Miles Straw (BA .221)?

 

I include their batting averages because, despite it being the most useless offensive stat, you seem to like it and, as far as I can tell, use it to measure defense. Which is why you spent all off-season and a good chunk of the regular season crapping on the idea of getting defensive whiz (and available free agent at the time) Joey Gallo. Batter all - low batting average.

 

So what AVAILABLE outfielder should the Sox have gotten? And by your own standards, cannot have some old rusty Gold Glove as far back as 2021…

All that Hank Aaron accomplished in his career with the bat with all the Hits, RBI, and HR he hit he said what he was proud of the most was his BA.

[notin]

All that Hank Aaron accomplished in his career with the bat with all the Hits, RBI, and HR he hit he said what he was proud of the most was his BA.

 

Great.

 

It’s still the worst offensive stat. What does it tell you?

[Jasonbay44]

Chang is expected back Monday.

 

I’m guessing Reyes will be DFA