Fire Bloom .

[a700hitter]

Sell Sell Sell! There is nothing to add to on this team. It is below average across the board and it is not fixable in the short term and maybe not even fixable for next season. I think a good start on changing the direction of this ship would be firing Bloom. He has been given enough rope and he has hung himself. Maybe Cherries needs a coffee boy in Pittsburgh.

[Randy Red Sox]

can someone explain to me why Kike was batting for Duran {2/4} with 2 out in the 9th today against a RH reliever?? I can only assume that Duran was hurt??

[moonslav59]

can someone explain to me why Kike was batting for Duran {2/4} with 2 out in the 9th today against a RH reliever?? I can only assume that Duran was hurt??

 

Why is this on the Bloom thread?

 

Should he fire Cora?

[illinoisredsox]

can someone explain to me why Kike was batting for Duran {2/4} with 2 out in the 9th today against a RH reliever?? I can only assume that Duran was hurt??

 

Moon’s correct comment about you post location aside, Refsnyder hit for Chang in the 7th and drove in the 4th run. Duran singled but was stranded when Turner popped out to end the inning. So for the 8th, Kike goes into the game at short. He either has to go into Refsnyder’s position (9th in the line-up) or you keep Ref in the game and put Kike into Duran’s spot in the order.

 

Cora was gambling on putting Kike as far away from coming up again as possible. Once the Sox stranded 2 on in the 8th, the #1 spot was going to come up.

[vegasbob]

Moon’s correct comment about you post location aside, Refsnyder hit for Chang in the 7th and drove in the 4th run. Duran singled but was stranded when Turner popped out to end the inning. So for the 8th, Kike goes into the game at short. He either has to go into Refsnyder’s position (9th in the line-up) or you keep Ref in the game and put Kike into Duran’s spot in the order.

 

Cora was gambling on putting Kike as far away from coming up again as possible. Once the Sox stranded 2 on in the 8th, the #1 spot was going to come up.

 

Excellent assessment of a frustrating outcome.

[Randy Red Sox]

and where else would you put it as I don't see a game day thread on here. Sorry to offend you. I simply wanted to know.

Why is this on the Bloom thread?

 

Should he fire Cora?

[Randy Red Sox]

thanks for the explanation. so now i have found the gamely thread so I will post there. like my title says I am a rookie here Edited July 22, 2023 by Randy Red Sox

[dgalehouse]

Moon’s correct comment about you post location aside, Refsnyder hit for Chang in the 7th and drove in the 4th run. Duran singled but was stranded when Turner popped out to end the inning. So for the 8th, Kike goes into the game at short. He either has to go into Refsnyder’s position (9th in the line-up) or you keep Ref in the game and put Kike into Duran’s spot in the order.

 

Cora was gambling on putting Kike as far away from coming up again as possible. Once the Sox stranded 2 on in the 8th, the #1 spot was going to come up.

 

That is no justification for the move. What you are doing is putting Refsnyder in the game in place of Duran. Kike winds up hitting leadoff instead of ninth. This was a managing blunder by Cora. There is no excuse.

[moonslav59]

and where else would you put it as I don't see a game day thread on here. Sorry to offend you. I simply wanted to know.

 

No offense taken.

[notin]

can someone explain to me why Kike was batting for Duran {2/4} with 2 out in the 9th today against a RH reliever?? I can only assume that Duran was hurt??

 

Duran came out of the game earlier after the 7th when Cora made a double switch.

[notin]

That is no justification for the move. What you are doing is putting Refsnyder in the game in place of Duran. Kike winds up hitting leadoff instead of ninth. This was a managing blunder by Cora. There is no excuse.

 

Unless Duran actually did get hurt.

 

But it’s hard to say. Cora seems to pull Duran if any left handed pitcher just exists on the opposing roster…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No offense taken.

 

For a sec, I thought you meant the game: 1st and 3rd, one out, Duvall lines softly to short, Verdugo takes three fastballs down the middle... Sox lose by a run.

[Duran Is The Man]

can someone explain to me why Kike was batting for Duran {2/4} with 2 out in the 9th today against a RH reliever?? I can only assume that Duran was hurt??

 

to make Kiki happy. only reason other than Duran being hurt. Little League move by Cora.

[illinoisredsox]

That is no justification for the move. What you are doing is putting Refsnyder in the game in place of Duran. Kike winds up hitting leadoff instead of ninth. This was a managing blunder by Cora. There is no excuse.

 

Leadoff meant nothing at that point. Once Turner made the final out in the 7th, the #9 slot was 7 batters away. Duran’s spot was 8 batters away. Cora put Kike as far down away as he could (I suppose he could have subbed him for Turner in the 2 spot and put Arroyo in the #9 spot.

[dgalehouse]

Leadoff meant nothing at that point. Once Turner made the final out in the 7th, the #9 slot was 7 batters away. Duran’s spot was 8 batters away. Cora put Kike as far down away as he could (I suppose he could have subbed him for Turner in the 2 spot and put Arroyo in the #9 spot.

 

The point is that leadoff is just one spot later than hitting ninth. Why not leave Kiki hitting ninth ? Was Cora thinking that the Sox would not get two baserunners in the last two innings, so Kike would not get an at bat ? What kind of thinking is that ? The result was that Refsnyder and Kiki did come to bat , but Duran did not. Bad move by Cora no matter how you look at it.

[illinoisredsox]

The point is that leadoff is just one spot later than hitting ninth. Why not leave Kiki hitting ninth ? Was Cora thinking that the Sox would not get two baserunners in the last two innings, so Kike would not get an at bat ? What kind of thinking is that ? The result was that Refsnyder and Kiki did come to bat , but Duran did not. Bad move by Cora no matter how you look at it.

 

At the end of a game, one spot can mean a lot. What I didn’t get was not using Arroyo or Alfaro to hit for Kike. Both have a better chance to get on or even hit one out.

 

Sox had chances to score earlier and failed. That’s where the game was lost.

[dgalehouse]

At the end of a game, one spot can mean a lot. What I didn’t get was not using Arroyo or Alfaro to hit for Kike. Both have a better chance to get on or even hit one out.

 

Sox had chances to score earlier and failed. That’s where the game was lost.

Well, to me , Cora wound up with Refsnyder followed by Kiki instead of Kike followed by Duran. He essentially removed Duran and kept Refsnyder in.

[moonslav59]

Well, to me , Cora wound up with Refsnyder followed by Kiki instead of Kike followed by Duran. He essentially removed Duran and kept Refsnyder in.

 

I doubt Cora could give any excuse that would satisfy me, on this one.

 

It seems to be so wrong on at least 2 levels.

 

[Randy Red Sox]

Cora's loyalty to Kike could cost him his job. If the Sox miss the post season again I'd get rid of both Cora and Bloom

I doubt Cora could give any excuse that would satisfy me, on this one.

 

It seems to be so wrong on at least 2 levels.

 

[moonslav59]

Cora's loyalty to Kike could cost him his job. If the Sox miss the post season again I'd get rid of both Cora and Bloom

 

That might be the reason, but I think he probably had some other reason. Don’t ask me what.

 

Kike sucks v RHPs.

Duran kills righties.

 

I’m not sold on the father-son type friendship being that strong.

[notin]

That might be the reason, but I think he probably had some other reason. Don’t ask me what.

 

Kike sucks v RHPs.

Duran kills righties.

 

I’m not sold on the father-son type friendship being that strong.

 

I’m not either, but it was frustrating watching him throw Kike out there day after day at shortstop. I think Bloom took far too long to promote Hamilton, whose weaknesses could/should have been discovered earlier. (Although it’s not hard to argue they haven’t been found yet given he only has 34 career plate appearances).

 

And honestly, if they want defense, Ceddane Rafaela was in Worcester and on the 40 man roster…

[moonslav59]

I’m not either, but it was frustrating watching him throw Kike out there day after day at shortstop. I think Bloom took far too long to promote Hamilton, whose weaknesses could/should have been discovered earlier. (Although it’s not hard to argue they haven’t been found yet given he only has 34 career plate appearances).

 

And honestly, if they want defense, Ceddane Rafaela was in Worcester and on the 40 man roster…

 

We have Reyes, now, and he sits rehab but ready to go?

[Bellhorn04]

That might be the reason, but I think he probably had some other reason. Don’t ask me what.

 

Kike sucks v RHPs.

Duran kills righties.

 

I’m not sold on the father-son type friendship being that strong.

 

Illinois explained the reasoning above.

[notin]

We have Reyes, now, and he sits rehab but ready to go?

 

We had Reyes for a lot of Kike’s starts. We also had a losing record in Kike’s starts.

 

I will never understand why Cora kept trying it…

[notin]

Illinois explained the reasoning above.

 

No, Illinois recapped the steps. The logic for removing Duran - especially he had potential to bat in the ninth against a team with a RHP for a closer - has not been explained.

 

Honestly, it’s most likely it did not make a difference in the final outcome, but that doesn’t make it less of a stupid move…

[dgalehouse]

Illinois explained the reasoning above.

 

Illinois' explanation doesn't justify the move. He is saying that Duran was taken out just so Kike could be placed one spot further away in the batting rotation. I would like to hear what Cora has to say about it.

[Bellhorn04]

Illinois' explanation doesn't justify the move. He is saying that Duran was taken out just so Kike could be placed one spot further away in the batting rotation. I would like to hear what Cora has to say about it.

Illinois explanation is the only possibility, I would say. I agree with your take, though.

[dgalehouse]

Illinois explanation is the only possibility, I would say. I agree with your take, though.

 

The only other thing I can think of is that he wanted to keep Refsnyder in the game to possibly get another at bat. Kike was going to go in at shortstop regardless.

[notin]

The only other thing I can think of is that he wanted to keep Refsnyder in the game to possibly get another at bat. Kike was going to go in at shortstop regardless.

 

And while the Mets still had Brooks Raley (LHP) available, shouldn’t Cora have figured that Duran/Refsnyder was far more likely to bat in the ninth, which is owned by Dave Robertson on the Mets? And that Raley was far, far more likely to be deployed during the Yoshida/Devers portion of the lineup.

 

I think he played that one very poorly…

[moonslav59]

We had Reyes for a lot of Kike’s starts. We also had a losing record in Kike’s starts.

 

I will never understand why Cora kept trying it…

 

He never tried Arroyo at SS, either.

 

I'd prefer we trade Kike not Duvall, and that way Cora's choice will no longer be one.

 

I don't care if we get nothing or have to pay his full boat.