Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Obviously pitching is not our forte, but maybe that is changing because there are som which upside guys these and we are starting to see some success now with Bello/Houck/Whitlock/Wink+

 

You’d be surprised how bad some other systems are too, developing pitching is the hardest thing to do. Good systems get it in my many different ways, it’s not always wasting your first draft pick as some would say.

 

Identifying and bringing a guy like Whitlock in is the exact thing that good systems do.

 

I’m in total agreement. Even marginal prospects like Kelly, Walter and Murphy have shown some glimpses of promise.

 

Not many thought Wink would amount to much, and he still may end up not doing much, but did he “develop” himself?

 

I think Bernardino was considered a prospect, too. Looks like a nice get.

[Hugh2]

I’m in total agreement. Even marginal prospects like Kelly, Walter and Murphy have shown some glimpses of promise.

 

Not many thought Wink would amount to much, and he still may end up not doing much, but did he “develop” himself?

 

I think Bernardino was considered a prospect, too. Looks like a nice get.

 

We haven’t even had those marginal guys hit, yeah we got a Matt Barnes. You need pen guys too.

 

Aside from Pitching Bloom has had a top pick become a top 100 in every draft. Including this one if Teel ends up ranked.

 

Yorke

Mayer

Anthony

 

That’s pretty good

[moonslav59]

We haven’t even had those marginal guys hit, yeah we got a Matt Barnes. You need pen guys too.

 

Aside from Pitching Bloom has had a top pick become a top 100 in every draft. Including this one if Teel ends up ranked.

 

Yorke

Mayer

Anthony

 

That’s pretty good

 

Add to that one of the best rule 5 pickups in years, and some trades that are starting to pay off in Wink & Wong.

 

His IFA signings are looking promising, as well.

[Randy Red Sox]

Yeah Bloom has been a genius

We haven’t even had those marginal guys hit, yeah we got a Matt Barnes. You need pen guys too.

 

Aside from Pitching Bloom has had a top pick become a top 100 in every draft. Including this one if Teel ends up ranked.

 

Yorke

Mayer

Anthony

 

That’s pretty good

[moonslav59]

Yeah Bloom has been a genius

 

It looks like he hasn’t been bad in this area.

 

Nobody is calling him genius.

[Randy Red Sox]

ONE top prospect list has Yorke ranked around #96 and the others don't have him as a top 100 prospect. That is hardly glowing in my view given where he was drafted. Mayer was the #1 ranked guy in last yr's draft so you can hardly say that Bloom out did himself taking him at #4. This Anthony I am not all that familiar with but unless I'm mistaken he's not a top 100 prospect either.

[notin]

ONE top prospect list has Yorke ranked around #96 and the others don't have him as a top 100 prospect. That is hardly glowing in my view given where he was drafted. Mayer was the #1 ranked guy in last yr's draft so you can hardly say that Bloom out did himself taking him at #4. This Anthony I am not all that familiar with but unless I'm mistaken he's not a top 100 prospect either.

 

#100 on this list

 

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[moonslav59]

ONE top prospect list has Yorke ranked around #96 and the others don't have him as a top 100 prospect. That is hardly glowing in my view given where he was drafted. Mayer was the #1 ranked guy in last yr's draft so you can hardly say that Bloom out did himself taking him at #4. This Anthony I am not all that familiar with but unless I'm mistaken he's not a top 100 prospect either.

 

Anthony is top 100, now. One service had him in front of Bleis and Mayer.

 

Dude, do the math on Yorke. He was picked 17th. If ever top 25 draftee was in the top 100, there would be 150 players in the top 100.

 

You also need to factor I. The lost 2020 season, and I think he was hurt for part of 2021. Being top 100 with 30 teams is damn good.

[notin]

ONE top prospect list has Yorke ranked around #96 and the others don't have him as a top 100 prospect. That is hardly glowing in my view given where he was drafted. Mayer was the #1 ranked guy in last yr's draft so you can hardly say that Bloom out did himself taking him at #4. This Anthony I am not all that familiar with but unless I'm mistaken he's not a top 100 prospect either.

 

This is a cop out. 3 actual MLB franchises did pass on him.

 

Jay Groome was the top-rated talent in the 2016 draft. So do we call this a no-brainer move by Dombrowski to take him at 12?

 

You’re oversimplifying the draft process. Selecting the player is the easy part. Signing them is the tough part. Especially high schoolers like Mayer who have the option of going to college and re-entering the draft later if they don’t like their initial offer…

[moonslav59]

Nobody is saying Bloom has done a spectacular job drafting or building the farm. Any grade we give him is highly speculative, anyway, due in part to so many HS players drafted by him.

 

To me, it appears he has done a very good job. He has also added players through trades and Rule 5 that have already helped the big club, which is an added bonus. Some are still in the farm and may help, later.

 

Bloom has many areas to criticise. I’m not sure why this area needs to be, too.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom seems to be doing just fine as a farm-builder.

[Hugh2]

Yeah Bloom has been a genius

 

Yeah, I see what you did there, I didn’t say that, I’m taking about his drafting and his drafting alone.

 

Don’t put words in my mouth.

[Dojji]

Bloom seems to be doing just fine as a farm-builder.

 

been awhile. Hi guys.

 

Farm system seems to be turning out a couple excellent guys now. Wong, Cheng, Casas, Kutter, all look interesting. Bello looks like he might have ace potential. Couple interesting guys in the wings waiting for a chance/another chance like Hernandez, Kavadas, Van Belle perhaps. Kavadas in particular is kinda low key getting me excited, if he can make the jump he could have a big DH bat.

 

Course remember, I assess prospects differently from the experts. I'll say in my defense though, I correctly called Brock Holt, Jed Lowrie and Daniel Nava

 

May be some light at the end of the tunnel as far as the rebuild goes. We may be over the hangover Dombrowski inflicted on us in return for the 2018 Championship. Certainly there seem to be a lot of middle potential guys begining to percolate onto the team which is a great sign. Kinda reminiscent of 06 when the season went terribly but we had guys like Lester, Gabbard, Buchholz Youk, Delcarmen, Pedroia, Ellsbury, starting to stack up behind our veterans. Not all of those guys work out, but if enough do, you wind up with a contender.

 

And of course, some really good short term signings in the outfield this year!

Edited July 16, 2023 by Dojji

[Hugh2]

ONE top prospect list has Yorke ranked around #96 and the others don't have him as a top 100 prospect. That is hardly glowing in my view given where he was drafted. Mayer was the #1 ranked guy in last yr's draft so you can hardly say that Bloom out did himself taking him at #4. This Anthony I am not all that familiar with but unless I'm mistaken he's not a top 100 prospect either.

 

Yes Bloom did what everyone expected him to do. We will never know what would have been if he didn’t take Mayer.

 

Oh wait! We kind of do. Bloom had an under slot deal in place with college short stop Matt McLain who is currently a MLB SS with the reds. Plus bat, plus defense, candidate for ROY.

 

That underslot strategy is what has led to guys like Jordan and now Anthony who is a stud. Critique Bloom all you want, his drafts have been great so far.

[Randy Red Sox]

and you know that how ? {mclain}

Yes Bloom did what everyone expected him to do. We will never know what would have been if he didn’t take Mayer.

 

Oh wait! We kind of do. Bloom had an under slot deal in place with college short stop Matt McLain who is currently a MLB SS with the reds. Plus bat, plus defense, candidate for ROY.

 

That underslot strategy is what has led to guys like Jordan and now Anthony who is a stud. Critique Bloom all you want, his drafts have been great so far.

[Hugh2]

and you know that how ? {mclain}

 

This is Blooms MO, he signs underslot guys he likes to spread the money around. He signed Yorke so he could get Jordan, and he signed Romero so he could get Anthony.

 

It was all the talk before the 2021 draft, I believe the first to report it was Baseball America that reported the Sox had a strong interest in him and were looking to cut a deal with him.

[moonslav59]

Bloom also got Drohan “overshot” in the Yorke-/ Yu-Welland “under slot” ” draft.

 

The 2021 season saw him nab Hickey over slot, then Anthony in 2022 by going under slot on several signees.

 

It’s a clear pattern.

 

I like his drafts.

[mvp 78]

I’m in total agreement. Even marginal prospects like Kelly, Walter and Murphy have shown some glimpses of promise.

 

Not many thought Wink would amount to much, and he still may end up not doing much, but did he “develop” himself?

 

I think Bernardino was considered a prospect, too. Looks like a nice get.

 

No, the guy is a 31 year old journeyman.

[mvp 78]

ONE top prospect list has Yorke ranked around #96 and the others don't have him as a top 100 prospect. That is hardly glowing in my view given where he was drafted. Mayer was the #1 ranked guy in last yr's draft so you can hardly say that Bloom out did himself taking him at #4. This Anthony I am not all that familiar with but unless I'm mistaken he's not a top 100 prospect either.

 

The draft is a crapshoot. They went a little underslot with that pick because they didn't have a 2nd round pick. Not every 1st rounder turns into a top 100 guy. That pick has worked out as a plus IMO.

[mvp 78]

Bloom seems to be doing just fine as a farm-builder.

 

They were the 30th rank system before him, now they are probably about 13th? He's been fine. Solid B. If he had done a fire sale last year, they'd be in even better position.

[mvp 78]

Bloom also got Drohan “overshot” in the Yorke-/ Yu-Welland “under slot” ” draft.

 

The 2021 season saw him nab Hickey over slot, then Anthony in 2022 by going under slot on several signees.

 

It’s a clear pattern.

 

I like his drafts.

 

2020 was:

Yorke

no pick

Jordan

Wu-Yellend

Drohn

 

Getting 3 out of 4 picks to work out seems good to me?

[moonslav59]

No, the guy is a 31 year old journeyman.

 

I was surprised to see him on SPs recent graduated list.

[moonslav59]

They were the 30th rank system before him, now they are probably about 13th? He's been fine. Solid B. If he had done a fire sale last year, they'd be in even better position.

 

Solid B sounds about right. Not bad when you consider we graduated more good players in the last year or two than we have in a long time.

[mvp 78]

Solid B sounds about right. Not bad when you consider we graduated more good players in the last year or two than we have in a long time.

 

His grade seems to be trending upwards. If they guys in POR now keep progressing and push their way to BOS next season and provide value, his grade will go up.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The draft is a crapshoot. They went a little underslot with that pick because they didn't have a 2nd round pick. Not every 1st rounder turns into a top 100 guy. That pick has worked out as a plus IMO.

 

Yup, that's why I don't bother trying to evaluate a GM based on who his organization drafts -- especially since it's so dependent on draft position and the best player available. Drafting names left on the board is part of the CBO's job, and not that scientific (though trying to spread out the allotted signing funds is trickier these days, and can add decent depth to the farm if done right).

 

Signing the right international prospects, and hiring/trusting a staff of scouts and analysts, is perhaps more telling of a bossman. But his most important role is building the big league roster each offseason, and adding/augmenting to it at appropriate times in season.

 

Mr. Bloom, you're on the clock...

[Dipre]

His grade seems to be trending upwards. If they guys in POR now keep progressing and push their way to BOS next season and provide value, his grade will go up.

 

I really really like this draft, so he's trending on B+ for me.

[dannycater]

In Bloom's defense, the Yoshida signing now seems like a great move...Gotta say I'm surprised Yoshida has kept up his high average, I originally thought MLB pitching would fool him...it has not. Paxton has been great, Verdugo and Turner have been really good, Cora/Bloom stuck with Casas instead of going to Dalbec...gotta give the GM credit where credit is due. I'm not obtuse in seeing the team play well and knowing Bloom has made some interesting moves that may have helped the team going into the next few years.

[moonslav59]

In Bloom's defense, the Yoshida signing now seems like a great move...Gotta say I'm surprised Yoshida has kept up his high average, I originally thought MLB pitching would fool him...it has not. Paxton has been great, Verdugo and Turner have been really good, Cora/Bloom stuck with Casas instead of going to Dalbec...gotta give the GM credit where credit is due. I'm not obtuse in seeing the team play well and knowing Bloom has made some interesting moves that may have helped the team going into the next few years.

 

How dare you talk about the good moves, when Kluber and Kike are all that should matter!

[mvp 78]

Over/Under on Mad Stork posts tomorrow: 3.5.

[Hugh2]

Over/Under on Mad Stork posts tomorrow: 3.5.

 

I’ll take the under at 3. Then he will disappear for 1-21 days