Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Just wondering where all the "Fire Bloom Brigade" has gone.

 

Haven't seen some in ages.

[Duran Is The Man]

Just wondering where all the "Fire Bloom Brigade" has gone.

 

Haven't seen some in ages.

 

a sweep by the Braves and/or a disastrous west coast trip and they'll be back. and if he doesn't add some true quality starting pitching before next season, i'll be right there with them. IMHO, "the architect of the Rays Way" has been nothing more than average. a trade for a nice SP and a playoff run might change my mind. a s***** end to the season and another last place finish and well...

[Dipre]

a sweep by the Braves and/or a disastrous west coast trip and they'll be back. and if he doesn't add some true quality starting pitching before next season, i'll be right there with them. IMHO, "the architect of the Rays Way" has been nothing more than average. a trade for a nice SP and a playoff run might change my mind. a s***** end to the season and another last place finish and well...

 

What if there are no nice SP's available?

[Duran Is The Man]

What if there are no nice SP's available?

 

i guess it won't change my mind.

[mvp 78]

What if there are no nice SP's available?

 

I think Giolito and Lynn are available from the ChiSox, but they are mean. Lorenzen from the Tigers has been mentioned but he's kind of surly. Jordan Montgomery must be a douche because he played for the Yankees. Rich Hill is probably cantankerous because of his old age.

[Duran Is The Man]

I think Giolito and Lynn are available from the ChiSox, but they are mean. Lorenzen from the Tigers has been mentioned but he's kind of surly. Jordan Montgomery must be a douche because he played for the Yankees. Rich Hill is probably cantankerous because of his old age.

 

 

:D

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Just wondering where all the "Fire Bloom Brigade" has gone.

 

Haven't seen some in ages.

 

I never left. But I credit Bloom for his international non-draft signings, and not trading prospects drafted and signed by Dombrowski, and all those relievers cast off by other organizations.

 

Cora just looks good because Bloom's acquisitions are keeping us in the wild card hunt. There's no reason the Sox can't just keep running seven different bullpen guys out there like last night, every other day right through October. As long as all of them are on, what could possibly go wrong?

[Dojji]

Proper asset management, avoiding overcommitting to insane trades, and showing skill in the draft, are literally the 3 key descriptions of an excellent GM.

 

Frankly I'm absolutely impressed that Bloom has managed to commit to, and execute, this wild opener/longman schtick, and even moreso, that it's working. That takes a lot of trust in multiple guys to work together correctly, and being able to put guys who can handle a challenge like this in a position to do so takes a good eye for unconventional talent, which if you know me from of old, is a thing that I absolutely live for.

 

Not just that but doing it in 2 different rotation spots at the same time, successfully, is insane. I'm not sure anyone in the modern era has done this on purpose before.

[mvp 78]

FanGraphs now has the Red Sox ranked as the 5th best farm system after the most recent draft.

[mvp 78]

NYY are ranked 27th...

[vegasbob]

Bloom's move of sending Kike to the 2nd largest city in Alta Mexico cements Bloom in the pantheon of truly great CBO's .

[Hugh2]

FanGraphs now has the Red Sox ranked as the 5th best farm system after the most recent draft.

 

I thought they had them ranked 5th before the draft too?

 

EDIT: I might be thinking of pipeline. Still they must of been close to that already because everyone else had an infusion of talent in the draft too. Although, I think they may have really liked our draft as well.

Edited July 26, 2023 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[Dipre]

FanGraphs now has the Red Sox ranked as the 5th best farm system after the most recent draft.

 

Bloom doing Bloom things.

[Maxbialystock]

I never left. But I credit Bloom for his international non-draft signings, and not trading prospects drafted and signed by Dombrowski, and all those relievers cast off by other organizations.

 

Cora just looks good because Bloom's acquisitions are keeping us in the wild card hunt. There's no reason the Sox can't just keep running seven different bullpen guys out there like last night, every other day right through October. As long as all of them are on, what could possibly go wrong?

 

About "Cora just looks good," I agree the players do the heavy lifting, but this season Cora has been incredibly adept at managing a pitching staff that has four starters on the IL and one in the bullpen. He has also managed to avoid overworking the three official starters (Bello, Paxton, and Crawford) who are not on the IL--as well as the one in the bullpen. Same goes for the bullpen, which so far is also not overworked.

 

As for Bloom, you and others keep forgetting that John Henry has put a damper on spending big, especially for starting pitching. The Sox payroll is now 15th in MLB, the lowest (relative to other teams' salaries) it's been in the JH era and probably the last 40 years. Top payrolls right now are the Mets, Yankees, Padres, and Phillies, and none of them has a better record than the Sox. Phillies are tied with the Sox and the other three are worse.

[Dipre]

About "Cora just looks good," I agree the players do the heavy lifting, but this season Cora has been incredibly adept at managing a pitching staff that has four starters on the IL and one in the bullpen. He has also managed to avoid overworking the three official starters (Bello, Paxton, and Crawford) who are not on the IL--as well as the one in the bullpen. Same goes for the bullpen, which so far is also not overworked.

 

As for Bloom, you and others keep forgetting that John Henry has put a damper on spending big, especially for starting pitching. The Sox payroll is now 15th in MLB, the lowest (relative to other teams' salaries) it's been in the JH era and probably the last 40 years. Top payrolls right now are the Mets, Yankees, Padres, and Phillies, and none of them has a better record than the Sox. Phillies are tied with the Sox and the other three are worse.

 

So you're saying they have a plan and are executing it, looking to build a sustainable contender not constrained by a bloated payroll? Quite a novel concept.

[Dojji]

I think Giolito and Lynn are available from the ChiSox, but they are mean. Lorenzen from the Tigers has been mentioned but he's kind of surly. Jordan Montgomery must be a douche because he played for the Yankees. Rich Hill is probably cantankerous because of his old age.

 

Gio is a pipe dream and I have no interest in Lynn. If we're going for a trainwreck starter I'd rather have a young trainwreck like Brady Singer from the Royals, who would probably take a haul of medium prospects to build up their farm depth. Singer's FIP suggests he's better than his KC track record indicates. IF we can spare the pieces he might be a useful add for rotation depth going forward, dude isn't great but he eats innings and that makes him useful.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

About "Cora just looks good," I agree the players do the heavy lifting, but this season Cora has been incredibly adept at managing a pitching staff that has four starters on the IL and one in the bullpen. He has also managed to avoid overworking the three official starters (Bello, Paxton, and Crawford) who are not on the IL--as well as the one in the bullpen. Same goes for the bullpen, which so far is also not overworked.

 

As for Bloom, you and others keep forgetting that John Henry has put a damper on spending big, especially for starting pitching. The Sox payroll is now 15th in MLB, the lowest (relative to other teams' salaries) it's been in the JH era and probably the last 40 years. Top payrolls right now are the Mets, Yankees, Padres, and Phillies, and none of them has a better record than the Sox. Phillies are tied with the Sox and the other three are worse.

 

My post was in jest. Of course Cora is doing a great job keeping his team in the hunt with a three-man starting rotation -- and even Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine had solid #4 and #5 guys to eat up innings in-between.

 

As for poor Bloom's approach to signing pitchers -- there is no evidence of admission that Henry has ever tied his hands. All we can do is speculate.

[moonslav59]

So you're saying they have a plan and are executing it, looking to build a sustainable contender not constrained by a bloated payroll? Quite a novel concept.

 

I’m not convinced JH will keep us near the middle in spending. He will “pounce,” as I like to call it, at some point.

 

We can’t know the 5th ranked system will produce a mix of players that all can gel at the same time and win us another ring, but I applaud the attempt and strategy.

 

I plan on living beyond 2023 and well beyond 2033.

[moonslav59]

Gio is a pipe dream and I have no interest in Lynn. If we're going for a trainwreck starter I'd rather have a young trainwreck like Brady Singer from the Royals, who would probably take a haul of medium prospects to build up their farm depth. Singer's FIP suggests he's better than his KC track record indicates. IF we can spare the pieces he might be a useful add for rotation depth going forward, dude isn't great but he eats innings and that makes him useful.

 

Giolito as a 2 month rental will not cost as much as some seem to think.

[a700hitter]

Giolito as a 2 month rental will not cost as much as some seem to think.

Did you think that he would net them 2 top prospects?

Edited July 27, 2023 by a700hitter

[Hugh2]

Bloom is making some great trades but the problem is he’s completely allergic to the big move.

 

The price for rentals seems to be higher this year. I hope Bloom doesn’t get any buy/sell ideals and gets rid of Paxton.

 

He’s the exact type of guy you’d want to trade for right now if he wasn’t on your roster. And Sox still need a starter.

[Randy Red Sox]

his moves have been better as of late but I wouldn't anoint him yet

Just wondering where all the "Fire Bloom Brigade" has gone.

 

Haven't seen some in ages.

[notin]

Did you think that he would net them 2 top prospects?

 

Well, two top Angels’ prospects.

 

Edgar Quero seems like a solid prospect, but Fangraphs gave Ky Bush the same FV as Brandon Walter, Chris Murphy and David Hamilton. He’s not a bad prospect; just a questionable one for the top 3-5 spots in the farm system where some systems rank him. (Fangraphs actually has him at 9.)

[Hugh2]

Did you think that he would net them 2 top prospects?

 

Two? top prospects? I wouldn't call Bush a top prospect. I'm not saying he might not turn into a nice relief arm at some point. But he's never been ranked, and his stats don't pop out. He's #3 in the Angels system, which is a horrible system. He probably wouldn't be top 20 in ours. Quero would be top 5 in ours.

 

Quero was the 89th-ranked prospect. His stats were down this year too, but he was only 20 at AA, they also got a relief arm back in the deal as well.

 

The Sox equivalent to this trade might look something like Ceddanne + Mata. But that ain't apples to apples, Rafaela isn't a pitcher and you never know how organizations value guys. The Angels could be down on those guys and really high on Quero.

 

Point is. The Sox could get a good starting pitcher rental without giving up the farm. Which is why I'm all for a rental this year. This is the year you get a rental because you have a shot with some help and you don't blow up your future.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom is making some great trades but the problem is he’s completely allergic to the big move.

 

The price for rentals seems to be higher this year. I hope Bloom doesn’t get any buy/sell ideals and gets rid of Paxton.

 

He’s the exact type of guy you’d want to trade for right now if he wasn’t on your roster. And Sox still need a starter.

 

It's pretty hard to knock Bloom's approach at this point in time.

 

IMO there's no way he trades Paxton, or Duvall.

[Hugh2]

It's pretty hard to knock Bloom's approach at this point in time.

 

IMO there's no way he trades Paxton, or Duvall.

 

Not if you're clearly going for it you don't. Which they should.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom is making some great trades but the problem is he’s completely allergic to the big move.

The price for rentals seems to be higher this year. I hope Bloom doesn’t get any buy/sell ideals and gets rid of Paxton.

 

He’s the exact type of guy you’d want to trade for right now if he wasn’t on your roster. And Sox still need a starter.

 

Don't be surprised if Bloom makes an in-between move that will have some posters in an uproar, and others defending him when it pays off a month or two later.

 

But after "the best in MLB" just got swept by the best team in July, the Sox have to go for it now, right? Or do we wait and see what happens in San Francisco?

[Bellhorn04]

Not if you're clearly going for it you don't. Which they should.

 

We are definitely going for it. 15-5 in our last 20 games.

[moonslav59]

Did you think that he would net them 2 top prospects?

 

Not even one top 6 or 8.

 

I’m thinking Paulino, Mata and Walter.

 

BTV supports this view on almost all the reported rentals that may be available. Most fall in the 5-9 value area. We could offer them 9-12 without any top prospect. At worst maybe Drohan or Perales.

[notin]

It's pretty hard to knock Bloom's approach at this point in time.

 

IMO there's no way he trades Paxton, or Duvall.

 

I’m not sold on anything.

 

I think they’re going to go for it, but also make a surprising move (or two?) with an eye on the future.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Paxton, Duvall or Verdugo was dealt. I might not be happy, but I definitely won’t be surprised…