Rafael Devers

[Kimmi]

Why not?

 

Because on a bang bang play like that, hitters should already know this.

 

Now if the infielder muffs the ball and it goes into left field and the runner can't see that, then the 1B coach should absolutely be signaling the runner to run to second.

[Kimmi]

This can't be true! These professionals should know what to do on their own!

 

This is a different situation than a coach signaling whether run through versus slide head first.

[Kimmi]

You're talking about TS gamethread mojo, correct?

 

Of course. If you win the game for us tonight, I will not only bow at your feet, but I will kiss them as well.

[harmony]

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts have modest rest-of-season projections for Rafael Devers:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17350&position=3B#core

 

... highlighted at bottom of Dashboard.

 

An Instagraphs system has optimistic long-range projections for Devers:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/projecting-rafael-devers/

[moonslav59]

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts have modest rest-of-season projections for Rafael Devers:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17350&position=3B#core

 

... highlighted at bottom of Dashboard.

 

An Instagraphs system has optimistic long-range projections for Devers:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/projecting-rafael-devers/

 

1 more HR and 10 RBIs in about 100 more PAs for fangraphs.

 

Hmmmm

[Nick]

Meanwhile Moncada is 4-38 with 1 HR, 6 BB, 16K's. Maybe DD knew something about Moncada and Devers.

 

I was screaming for Moncada to get called up last season. Then we found out.

 

I was screaming for Devers earlier to get called up. So far, it's worked. Why not give him a shot when his coaches in minors think he was ready? Fail or Succeed was irrelevant for me. Just have a look. It's worked fine. If he goes on a prolonged slump, bench him. That's what you do with non established players. I like to know the bad news immediately.

Edited August 3, 2017 by Nick

[bosoxmal]

Meanwhile Moncada is 4-38 with 1 HR, 6 BB, 16K's. Maybe DD knew something about Moncada and Devers.

 

I was screaming for Moncada to get called up last season. Then we found out.

 

I was screaming for Devers earlier to get called up. So far, it's worked. Why not give him a shot when his coaches in minors think he was ready? Fail or Succeed was irrelevant for me. Just have a look. It's worked fine. If he goes on a prolonged slump, bench him. That's what you do with non established players. I like to know the bad news immediately.

Moncado was wildly ballihoud, and it should have taken some coach somewhere to put a stop to it. Any true baseball coach should have seen what he was in about 5 at bats. It took one AB in a Sox uniform until I knew he couldn't hit. It's called the "Eye Test"

PS: The exact opposite was true with Devers. He has wait wait wiat quick quick quick written all over him. Add an unusually steady and quiet bat to that and, man, you;ve got a hitter!

Edited August 3, 2017 by bosoxmal

[Kimmi]

Meanwhile Moncada is 4-38 with 1 HR, 6 BB, 16K's. Maybe DD knew something about Moncada and Devers.

 

I was screaming for Moncada to get called up last season. Then we found out.

 

I was screaming for Devers earlier to get called up. So far, it's worked. Why not give him a shot when his coaches in minors think he was ready? Fail or Succeed was irrelevant for me. Just have a look. It's worked fine. If he goes on a prolonged slump, bench him. That's what you do with non established players. I like to know the bad news immediately.

 

There are some drawbacks to calling a player up and having him fail. One is the time clock/options thing, which most people don't seem to care about, but it should factor into a decision. The other is that it could delay the player's development. I don't think it will 'ruin' a player, but I do believe it could delay development.

[a700hitter]

There are some drawbacks to calling a player up and having him fail. One is the time clock/options thing, which most people don't seem to care about, but it should factor into a decision. The other is that it could delay the player's development. I don't think it will 'ruin' a player, but I do believe it could delay development.

If he fails, the clock probably doesn't mean much. The clock is important to keep the successes under control.

[sk7326]

Devers had the least to do to provide a major improvement - let's put it this way, he has provided 0.6 fWAR in one week. So he has produced more in one week than the rest of the 3B options have this season.

[oldtimer]

Devers had the least to do to provide a major improvement - let's put it this way, he has provided 0.6 fWAR in one week. So he has produced more in one week than the rest of the 3B options have this season.

 

At this point in time it looks like the FO may have cost the team games by taking such a cautious approach with bringing him up. Whats done is done and he may well run into a cold spell. Hard to tell a great deal after a week. That siad, I am glad he is up.

[sk7326]

At this point in time it looks like the FO may have cost the team games by taking such a cautious approach with bringing him up. Whats done is done and he may well run into a cold spell. Hard to tell a great deal after a week. That siad, I am glad he is up.

 

You can always monday morning QB this - and I don't blame the team for using some kid gloves on a 20 year old (who has always been the youngest kid in his league) who has not had a ton of high pressure competition. Just glad they took the plunge at all - instead of going for a short term stopgap who did not have a higher return potential.

 

The players staffing 3B cost them games ultimately. It certainly was not obvious in April that Devers was ready for this job.

[mvp 78]

You can always monday morning QB this - and I don't blame the team for using some kid gloves on a 20 year old (who has always been the youngest kid in his league) who has not had a ton of high pressure competition. Just glad they took the plunge at all - instead of going for a short term stopgap who did not have a higher return potential.

 

The players staffing 3B cost them games ultimately. It certainly was not obvious in April that Devers was ready for this job.

 

Well, there were some people calling for a much earlier promotion, both to AAA and MLB.

[harmony]

Devers had the least to do to provide a major improvement - let's put it this way, he has provided 0.6 fWAR in one week. So he has produced more in one week than the rest of the 3B options have this season.

Even with Rafael Devers' 0.7 fWAR, the Red Sox have posted a negative 1.8 fWAR at third base since the start of the 2015 season:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

... ranking a distant, distant last among the 30 MLB teams.

[Bellhorn04]

Even with Rafael Devers' 0.7 fWAR, the Red Sox have posted a negative 1.8 fWAR at third base since the start of the 2015 season:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

... ranking a distant, distant last among the 30 MLB teams.

 

There was really no need for 2 'distants', thank you very much.

[mvp 78]

There was really no need for 2 'distants', thank you very much.

 

Probably need a third.

[sk7326]

Well, there were some people calling for a much earlier promotion, both to AAA and MLB.

 

I was always in favor of a post-ASB call up. I did not care about the AAA promotion as much. It's really about the kid. It's not like anybody would have been scared of a promotion from AA.

[moonslav59]

At this point in time it looks like the FO may have cost the team games by taking such a cautious approach with bringing him up. Whats done is done and he may well run into a cold spell. Hard to tell a great deal after a week. That siad, I am glad he is up.

 

We'll never know.

 

He might have looked bad had we called him up a month or two earlier, either by bad luck or some sort of idea that he wasn't quite ready.

 

To me, Devers doing well out of the gate looks like management got it right.

 

I remember wonder about what if we had called up Lynn and Rice early in 1974. To many what ifs to know anything.

[Kimmi]

Devers had the least to do to provide a major improvement - let's put it this way, he has provided 0.6 fWAR in one week. So he has produced more in one week than the rest of the 3B options have this season.

 

Calling him up has indeed been the right move. And a good one.

[mvp 78]

Devers is plugged into the 5th hole tonight. Do you think that is a long term answer for him? Is he a longer term cleanup guy?

 

What about hitting 2nd for now? He'd look real good after Betts.

[Nick]

Devers is plugged into the 5th hole tonight. Do you think that is a long term answer for him? Is he a longer term cleanup guy?

 

What about hitting 2nd for now? He'd look real good after Betts.

 

A 2 run homer to start the game. The kid can hit. It's amazing that Nunez and Devers are batting 3rd and 5th in the lineup. Shows how weak our bats were.

Edited August 3, 2017 by Nick

[moonslav59]

A 2 run homer to start the game. The kid can hit. It's amazing that Nunez and Devers are batting 3rd and 5th in the lineup. Shows how weak our bats were.

 

Shows the JF has finally woken up from his stupor.

[Nick]

Shows the JF has finally woken up from his stupor.

 

There's no reason NOT to play the hot hand. We all know who is hot and who is cooling off. I would love to see Brentz get the call. 22 homers is pretty impressive.

[moonslav59]

There's no reason NOT to play the hot hand. We all know who is hot and who is cooling off. I would love to see Brentz get the call. 22 homers is pretty impressive.

 

I don't disagree. I was alluding to JF keeping Moreland batting 4th and 5th for weeks and weeks while slumping badly.

 

Maybe, he's finely woken up and smelled the coffee.

 

[Nick]

I don't disagree. I was alluding to JF keeping Moreland batting 4th and 5th for weeks and weeks while slumping badly.

 

Maybe, he's finely woken up and smelled the coffee.

 

 

Bogaerts, Moreland, Vazquez and Bradley.....that looks to be strong bottom of batting order. Better than first two batting 3rd and 4th in the lineup.

[Larry Cook]

Devers is plugged into the 5th hole tonight. Do you think that is a long term answer for him? Is he a longer term cleanup guy?

 

What about hitting 2nd for now? He'd look real good after Betts.

 

I think we leave devers in the 5 hole and let him provide protection for the guys in front of him.

[moonslav59]

I think we leave devers in the 5 hole and let him provide protection for the guys in front of him.

 

Maybe someday we can see...

1. Pedey

2. Beni

3. Nunez

4. Betts

5. Devers

6. HRam

7. JBJ

8. Moreland-Young

9. Vaz

 

[Larry Cook]

Maybe someday we can see...

1. Pedey

2. Beni

3. Nunez

4. Betts

5. Devers

6. HRam

7. JBJ

8. Moreland-Young

9. Vaz

 

 

I agree. This lineup looks like it could get the job done for us for the next couple of months.

[moonslav59]

I agree. This lineup looks like it could get the job done for us for the next couple of months.

 

...and when Bogey comes of the suggested DL stint...

 

1. Pedey

2. Beni vs R/Bogey v R

3. Nunez

4. Betts

5. Devers

6. HRam

7. Bogey vs R/Beni v L

8. JBJ

9. Vaz

 

Bench: Moreland, Young, Holt, Leon

 

 

[jad]

1 for 4 last night. We really can't have a bunch of .250 hitters in the lineup. Send him down or trade him for a proven utility guy.