Rafael Devers

[cp176]

I like what I see but I am not blind to the fact that the kid needs to work on his footwork and throws to 1st.

 

Unless Macholo is signed I say leave him at 3rd and watch him get better.

 

I agree - footwork and probably overall technique but with that arm, i still like him there. I really liked listening to both Remy and Eck last night. They know the game as well they should. I was impressed with the amount of work Remy says that they put in on just these types of things. Benintendi's footwork looked good out there. As much crap as brian Butterfield takes for his third base coaching job, there probably are very few people in the game more qualified and more willing to work with players like Devers with respect to overall infield play.

[moonslav59]

His d isn't shaky according to metrics. Not sure why you keep banging this drum.

 

Apparently, the reason Devers wasn't called up earlier was because they feared his defense was not developed enough.

 

He has a weird habit of holding onto the ball too long before throwing. He has also made some wild throws, but I do like his range.

 

He's so damn young that I firmly believe he will improve enough to be a plus defender.

 

I keep saying that the idea of moving Devers to 1B is not out of a belief that he cannot become a plus defender, and no I do not feel he is a plus right now (-5.1 UZR/150), it's about Moustakas and Machado being better at 3B than Devers, and both being better off season choices than Hosmer and other FA 1Bmen.

 

I'm not going into the off season thinking we need to move Devers to 1B. Far from it.

 

I just like Moustakas as our 2018 clean-up hitter a heck of a lot more than Hosmer.

 

That's the "drum I'm banging" not the we must move Devers off 3B drum.

 

Get me Votto without opening big holes, and I'll take Devers at 3B for 10 more years!

Edited September 10, 2017 by moonslav59

[OH FOY]

Moustakas is 1 year older than Hosmer. He has a .252 in 35 games in Fenway. Hosmer has a .295 avg. in Fenway for 48 games. Look at Hosmer avg. to the Opposite Field, taylor made for Fenway

Both are Boras boys.

I always like looking at Stolen bases for 2 big kids, who's more athletic, Moustakas has 11 career SB's, Hosmer has 60.

Coincidence Moustakas will be 29 tomorrow.

Edited September 10, 2017 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Hosmer has 3 Gold Gloves, Moustakas was not a good Fielder early in his career. He is better, but your not getting Gold Glove there.

[Larry Cook]

Apparently, the reason Devers wasn't called up earlier was because they feared his defense was not developed enough.

 

He has a weird habit of holding onto the ball too long before throwing. He has also made some wild throws, but I do like his range.

 

He's so damn young that I firmly believe he will improve enough to be a plus defender.

 

I keep saying that the idea of moving Devers to 1B is not out of a belief that he cannot become a plus defender, and no I do not feel he is a plus right now (-5.1 UZR/150), it's about Moustakas and Machado being better at 3B than Devers, and both being better off season choices than Hosmer and other FA 1Bmen.

 

I'm not going into the off season thinking we need to move Devers to 1B. Far from it.

 

I just like Moustakas as our 2018 clean-up hitter a heck of a lot more than Hosmer.

 

That's the "drum I'm banging" not the we must move Devers off 3B drum.

 

Get me Votto without opening big holes, and I'll take Devers at 3B for 10 more years!

 

I am 100 percent on board with acquiring votto this offseason.

 

Great bat, a little power but mostly a huge clubhouse leader. And in my mind that is what we really lost when Ortiz retired. We need someone to lead our zombies and Get them focused,

[Bellhorn04]

I am 100 percent on board with acquiring votto this offseason.

 

Great bat, a little power but mostly a huge clubhouse leader. And in my mind that is what we really lost when Ortiz retired. We need someone to lead our zombies and Get them focused,

 

Yeah, Votto really has the Reds focused the last few years. Just look at their record.

 

Seriously, what makes you think he's a huge clubhouse leader?

[OH FOY]

Votto 34 today, with 6 more years and a 20 million dollar buyout. Sorry just too old, and expensive for me, in one of best hitters park in baseball.

Papi at 25 million a year at 34 years old for next 6 years I would have been nervous.

Trade your best for Votto, might as well go for Stanton.

Try trading Votto later if he slips, with that contract.

Edited September 10, 2017 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

Yeah, Votto really has the Reds focused the last few years. Just look at their record.

 

Seriously, what makes you think he's a huge clubhouse leader?

 

The age is a huge concern, but what worries me most about this idea, is that we'd have to open up several holes in our system to trade for him.

 

That's why I think acquiring Moustakas or Machado is way better than Hosmer or Votto.

 

On looking at Moustakas, his numbers over the last 3 years dwarf his early career numbers, so calling him a .252 hitter is not really doing a service to him.

 

He's been a .278 hitter since 2015 with an OPS of .835. He's hitting about 30 HRs per 600 PAs, too.

 

We don't need a 15-20 HR 1Bman like Hosmer.

[OH FOY]

Moustakas ok, Hosmer better Ballplayer. You only looking at HRS? Before this year Moustakas high in HR was 22. That was 2015. Hit 20 once before that in 2012. He avg. 23 HRs for every 600 at bats, or actually 590. PA is 645.

Hosmer is 20 for 600 PA, but the big difference is Hosmer drives in runs, Hosmer drives in 88 on average, Moustakas 72 a year.

Even this year with all HRS Moustakas has, Hosmer has more RBI's. and hitting .323.

If Sandoval got 19 a year, get ready to pay a lot for OK 3rd baseman again, when not needed. That's my point you got Devers. Moustakas is not that good a fielder either. He's OK, nothing special.

Anyway probably resign Moreland anyway. ha

Edited September 10, 2017 by OH FOY!

[jacksonianmarch]

Moustakas ok, Hosmer better Ballplayer. You only looking at HRS? Before this year Moustakas high in HR was 22. That was 2015. Hit 20 once before that in 2012. He avg. 23 HRs for every 600 at bats, or actually 590. PA is 645.

Hosmer is 20 for 600 PA, but the big difference is Hosmer drives in runs, Hosmer drives in 88 on average, Moustakas 72 a year.

Even this year with all HRS Moustakas has, Hosmer has more RBI's. and hitting .323.

If Sandoval got 19 a year, get ready to pay a lot for OK 3rd baseman again, when not needed. That's my point you got Devers. Moustakas is not that good a fielder either. He's OK, nothing special.

Anyway probably resign Moreland anyway. ha

 

This was kinda all over the place, but I will tell you one thing for certain. You must improve your offense in the offseason. You cannot rely on Betts, Beni, Bogaerts and Bradley to be the core of your offense. You must improve there. In the division, you have a Yankee team whose offense is only going to improve, who's pen is only going to improve, and who's rotation has created what should be a three headed monster going into 2018. You must score more runs, or you will lose the division by a lot in 2018

[Bellhorn04]

In the division, you have a Yankee team whose offense is only going to improve, who's pen is only going to improve, and who's rotation has created what should be a three headed monster going into 2018.

 

Three headed monster - Gray, Severino and who?

[jacksonianmarch]

Three headed monster - Gray, Severino and who?

 

Tanaka. After a very uncharacteristic first half, he has been nails for the most part in the second half. 3.65ERA 1.04WHIP 9.8K/9IP 1.4BB/9IP

[moonslav59]

Moustakas ok, Hosmer better Ballplayer. You only looking at HRS? Before this year Moustakas high in HR was 22. That was 2015. Hit 20 once before that in 2012. He avg. 23 HRs for every 600 at bats, or actually 590. PA is 645.

Hosmer is 20 for 600 PA, but the big difference is Hosmer drives in runs, Hosmer drives in 88 on average, Moustakas 72 a year.

Even this year with all HRS Moustakas has, Hosmer has more RBI's. and hitting .323.

If Sandoval got 19 a year, get ready to pay a lot for OK 3rd baseman again, when not needed. That's my point you got Devers. Moustakas is not that good a fielder either. He's OK, nothing special.

Anyway probably resign Moreland anyway. ha

 

On the 30 HRs per 600 PAs for Mostakas, I clearly stated was about the last 3 years only. Hosmer has barely averaged over 20 per 600 the last 3 years.

 

And yes, our biggest weakness is lack of an HR hitter for our 2018 clean-up slot.

 

I'm not a huge Moustakis fan, but he's better than Hosmer, and I'd like to avoid having to trade for a clean-up hitter.

 

I'd much rather have Machado, but I'm not sure waiting a year is a real choice here.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Moustakas is an interesting idea. Yes, he offers power, but is this year an anomaly or a predictor of future performance? He makes a lot of contact, doesnt walk much, and has 65HRs in his last 1148ABs. He's an average defender, who probably moves to 1b at the end of the deal he will sign. I dont think hes the guy you go for, though. I think you will sign JD Martinez and either put Hanley back at 1b or convert JD.

[moonslav59]

Moustakas is an interesting idea. Yes, he offers power, but is this year an anomaly or a predictor of future performance? He makes a lot of contact, doesnt walk much, and has 65HRs in his last 1148ABs. He's an average defender, who probably moves to 1b at the end of the deal he will sign. I dont think hes the guy you go for, though. I think you will sign JD Martinez and either put Hanley back at 1b or convert JD.

 

I've mentioned JD as an option, and he's a safer gamble than Moustakas. He's a better clean-up hitter.

 

However, I just don't see HRam as a FT 1Bman next year.

 

I don't want to have to trade for a hitter.

 

I would suggest JD over Hosmer, but I still think Moustakas is a better fit.

[moonslav59]

If we could trade HRam and save $10M or so, I'd sign JD in a heart beat- injury history and all.

 

Then just find a cheap one year 1B fix and punt the decision to next year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hanley is untradeable. Also, you want to avoid Hanley's option from kicking in and the only way you can do that without pissing off the union is bringing in a suitable replacement

[Slasher9]

This was kinda all over the place, but I will tell you one thing for certain. You must improve your offense in the offseason. You cannot rely on Betts, Beni, Bogaerts and Bradley to be the core of your offense. You must improve there. In the division, you have a Yankee team whose offense is only going to improve, who's pen is only going to improve, and who's rotation has created what should be a three headed monster going into 2018. You must score more runs, or you will lose the division by a lot in 2018

Lol. Enjoy the playin game troll...

[moonslav59]

Hanley is untradeable. Also, you want to avoid Hanley's option from kicking in and the only way you can do that without pissing off the union is bringing in a suitable replacement

 

So, sign JD Martinez and a one year 1Bman and sit the $22M team HR leader, so we can improve our power?

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Lol. Enjoy the playin game troll...

 

That wasn't necessarily called for. We are rebuilt and looking to be damn good next year. We also have a ton of money to spend this offseason

[Bellhorn04]

Tanaka. After a very uncharacteristic first half, he has been nails for the most part in the second half. 3.65ERA 1.04WHIP 9.8K/9IP 1.4BB/9IP

 

I think you're looking at his season with homer glasses. He has had a lot of 'uncharacteristic' outings this year, including his most recent one.

[moonslav59]

That wasn't necessarily called for. We are rebuilt and looking to be damn good next year. We also have a ton of money to spend this offseason

 

Yes, adding Darvish and a couple other mid level to big FAs should help you guys get significantly better.

[Slasher9]

That wasn't necessarily called for. We are rebuilt and looking to be damn good next year. We also have a ton of money to spend this offseason

 

it was completely called for. your on a rafael devers thread waxing how the yankees are going to be almighty next year. you sound like the pre-2004 Red Sox fan. "just wait until next year".....

the hammer has turned into the nail.....

[Spudboy]

I think you're looking at his season with homer glasses. He has had a lot of 'uncharacteristic' outings this year, including his most recent one.

 

I think he has been a f***ing bust.

 

Yankees should have put him under the knife two years ago.

 

If he pitches really well against the Sox I am surprised.