Rafael Devers

[illinoisredsox]

Don't know if they had it on the NESN broadcast, but ESPN on Monday night and MLB last night both noted that Devers on Monday became the 4th player in Red Sox history to record a 4 hit game before his 21st birthday. Tony Congliaro did it twice, once in 1964 (at age 19) and once in 1965 (age 20), and Ted Williams 3 times in 1939. The first Sox player to do it was in 1915, some pitcher named George Herman Ruth.

 

Devers did it in his 6th career game. Not to be outdone, Williams did it in his 4th

[mvp 78]

come on. really? these are MLB players. they need to have the first base coach tell them to "run through the bag" on a batted ball?

there are things to crucify the former Philles GM for....this is not one of them.

 

He shouldn't HAVE TO, but he still should have done it. Otherwise, what is he there for? Batting glove holder?

[mvp 78]

A coach at the junior high level shouldn't have to do that, much less at the big league level. That screw up was on JBJ, pure and simple (okay, the real screwup was on the umps for not calling the infield fly in the first place). Just like Betts forgetting how many outs there were the other night.

 

Oh yeah, I didn't pull the fire alarm because it's not my job. Sorry! The secretary should have done that. She knows better!

[Bellhorn04]

He shouldn't HAVE TO, but he still should have done it. Otherwise, what is he there for? Batting glove holder?

 

The first base coach's job generally doesn't start till the guy reaches first, does it? I don't think his job is to yell at guys to run through the bag every time.

[mvp 78]

The first base coach's job generally doesn't start till the guy reaches first, does it? I don't think his job is to yell at guys to run through the bag every time.

 

Not my jobism. That's a great thing to have for a 1st base coach.

 

I'm just going to sit over here and be mute. No reason for me to talk to the base runners. Doo doo doo.

[mvp 78]

So if my staff accountant doesn't pay the rent on the first of the month, should I blame the lack of payment on her when the landlord calls even if I remember not signing any rent checks?

 

NOT MY JOB! I just sign the checks. No reason to walk into the finance office and say "hey, where's the rent invoices for this month." NOT MY JOB!

[Bellhorn04]

So if my staff accountant doesn't pay the rent on the first of the month, should I blame the lack of payment on her when the landlord calls even if I remember not signing any rent checks?

 

NOT MY JOB! I just sign the checks. No reason to walk into the finance office and say "hey, where's the rent invoices for this month." NOT MY JOB!

 

This is a real hot button issue for you LOL

 

My question is, shouldn't a guy running to first base basically just be busting ass rather than looking and listening for instructions from a coach?

[S5Dewey]

There's nothing easier than second-guessing someone. In the real world the 1B coach in MLB is not going to stand there and yell "Runthroughthebag, Runthroughthebag, Runthroughthebag" every time a popup is hit. That's something that's learned at the Little League level. Blaming the 1B coach in that situation is silly.

 

The two screwups on that play were 1) the umpire not calling the Infield Fly on that play, and 2) the players assuming that the umpire would make the right call. I find it much easier to forgive the players because they shouldn't have to make a habit of confirming every call with the umpire. They're experienced. They KNOW what the right call is. The umpires screwed it up. Move on.

[mvp 78]

This is a real hot button issue for you LOL

 

My question is, shouldn't a guy running to first base basically just be busting ass rather than looking and listening for instructions from a coach?

 

He should be, of course. However, the 1b coach should be aware of every situation and be communicating to all base runners. I'm not letting JBJ off the hook. I think that play was indicative of a much larger problem.

[mvp 78]

There's nothing easier than second-guessing someone. In the real world the 1B coach in MLB is not going to stand there and yell "Runthroughthebag, Runthroughthebag, Runthroughthebag" every time a popup is hit. That's something that's learned at the Little League level. Blaming the 1B coach in that situation is silly.

 

The two screwups on that play were 1) the umpire not calling the Infield Fly on that play, and 2) the players assuming that the umpire would make the right call. I find it much easier to forgive the players because they shouldn't have to make a habit of confirming every call with the umpire. They're experienced. They KNOW what the right call is. The umpires screwed it up. Move on.

 

If he even jogged through the bag, he would have been safe. It's not silly to blame multiple parties in this situation.

 

If my wife is driving like a dummy, should I just sit back and say "well, she should have learned that when she was 16?" Of course not.

[Nick]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/8/2/16082356/rafael-devers-red-sox-lineup-the-spark-theyve-been-looking-for

 

Very Good Read on Devers Hitting....

 

Why not give the kid a chance? Thank you DD. We saved tons of prospects of being dealt just to acquire a third base rental.

[mvp 78]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/8/2/16082356/rafael-devers-red-sox-lineup-the-spark-theyve-been-looking-for

 

Very Good Read on Devers Hitting....

 

Why not give the kid a chance? Thank you DD. We saved tons of prospects of being dealt just to acquire a third base rental.

 

His plate discipline has been the most surprising thing to me. He has a very mature approach at the plate. I heard some murmurs that he was going to really struggle with offspeed stuff in MLB, but it hasn't happened yet. We'll see what happens once his scouting report is out and they stop pitching away from him.

[a700hitter]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/8/2/16082356/rafael-devers-red-sox-lineup-the-spark-theyve-been-looking-for

 

Very Good Read on Devers Hitting....

 

Why not give the kid a chance? Thank you DD. We saved tons of prospects of being dealt just to acquire a third base rental.

The Yankees parted with only 1 top 50 prospect for their entire haul, so I don't know how many prospects we saved. That being said, DD held onto the right prospect.

[Kimmi]

It's questionable whether the signings of Victorino, Napoli, Drew, Gomes and Dempster were 'brilliant', although they certainly worked out well in 2013 - not so much after that.

 

The signing of Koji was a great move, but Ben also had misses on Bailey, Hanrahan and Melancon.

 

Ben was a total mixed bag - some good, some bad.

 

Ben had a 5 year plan. He was trying to build a farm system, which he did very well, while trying to remain competitive, which worked brilliantly in 2013, but not so much in the other 3 years. Those signings are the exact types of signings that a GM should be making. They are short term, '2nd tier' signings that won't cripple the team if they don't work out, but where the upside can lead you to a championship. The philosophy is sound. Therein lies the 'brilliance'.

 

Yes, he made some costly mistakes as well.

[a700hitter]

Don't know if they had it on the NESN broadcast, but ESPN on Monday night and MLB last night both noted that Devers on Monday became the 4th player in Red Sox history to record a 4 hit game before his 21st birthday. Tony Congliaro did it twice, once in 1964 (at age 19) and once in 1965 (age 20), and Ted Williams 3 times in 1939. The first Sox player to do it was in 1915, some pitcher named George Herman Ruth.

 

Devers did it in his 6th career game. Not to be outdone, Williams did it in his 4th

Let's not forget Dalton Jones.

[Kimmi]

1.214 OPS through first 7 games. He has reached base each game. No big deal.

 

He is the man.

 

I bow at your feet.

[Kimmi]

Hail Raffy!

 

It is amazing what Devers and Nunez have done in this short time. We can't expect them to keep it up, obviously, but it does appear that they've provided the spark that our offense needed.

[a700hitter]

Ben had a 5 year plan. He was trying to build a farm system, which he did very well, while trying to remain competitive, which worked brilliantly in 2013, but not so much in the other 3 years. Those signings are the exact types of signings that a GM should be making. They are short term, '2nd tier' signings that won't cripple the team if they don't work out, but where the upside can lead you to a championship. The philosophy is sound. Therein lies the 'brilliance'.

 

Yes, he made some costly mistakes as well.

For a guy who believed in short term signings, he left us with a ton of useless money on long term dea, but that was LL... right? Even Rusney was LL.... right? Ben had a knack of even ruining his short term signings. He made a great 1 yr deal with Napoli for 2013, but then gave him 2 more years for 0 return. Also, how can you justify a 5 yr plan where you finish last 3 times and still have a $200 million in payroll. That was money down the toilet. You should be able to field a .500 team for $209 million. Atrocious.

[Kimmi]

Not my jobism. That's a great thing to have for a 1st base coach.

 

I'm just going to sit over here and be mute. No reason for me to talk to the base runners. Doo doo doo.

 

Here's the thing. Are the other 29 1B coaches yelling at their players to run through first base? There are things that are not a 1B coach's job for good reason.

[Kimmi]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2017/8/2/16082356/rafael-devers-red-sox-lineup-the-spark-theyve-been-looking-for

 

Very Good Read on Devers Hitting....

 

Why not give the kid a chance? Thank you DD. We saved tons of prospects of being dealt just to acquire a third base rental.

 

I bow at your feet as well.

[S5Dewey]

If he even jogged through the bag, he would have been safe. It's not silly to blame multiple parties in this situation.

 

If my wife is driving like a dummy, should I just sit back and say "well, she should have learned that when she was 16?" Of course not.

 

And if your wife goes through a green light and gets T-Boned by someone going through the red light do you chastise her for not stopping and looking both ways at the intersection? We have a right to expect someone to obey the law (or make the right call).

 

I don't dispute that JBJ should have run through the bag, but blaming the 1B coach is...again... silly.

[illinoisredsox]

Here's the thing. Are the other 29 1B coaches yelling at their players to run through first base? There are things that are not a 1B coach's job for good reason.

 

Time to give it up. In MVPs world, EVERY boneheaded play by a Red Sox player is a Red Sox coaching issue.

[a700hitter]

Here's the thing. Are the other 29 1B coaches yelling at their players to run through first base? There are things that are not a 1B coach's job for good reason.

So the rest of them stink at their job is an excuse. Let's face it, the star brainiacs of an organization are not usually the first base coaches.

[illinoisredsox]

MVP and a700 must be lawyers. They sure discuss things like they are; pick a point of view and never deviate from it.

 

There is no profession in the world that purports to be more of an expert in everyone else's field than lawyers.

[notin]

yup. exhibit #1: just look at our first base coach.

 

Amaro was probably the worst of the bunch. Frank Wren, another Sox VP, was actually a pretty good GM in Atlanta, but his biggest flaw was not being John Schuerholz....

[a700hitter]

MVP and a700 must be lawyers. They sure discuss things like they are; pick a point of view and never deviate from it.

 

There is no profession in the world that purports to be more of an expert in everyone else's field than lawyers.

MVP CPA and 700 lawyer. And we know our baseball too. It isn't that hard.

[notin]

The first base coach's job generally doesn't start till the guy reaches first, does it? I don't think his job is to yell at guys to run through the bag every time.

 

No, the first base coach's job starts when the batter starts running. He can't wait for the hitter to get to first to wave him to second, for example. The first thing the coach does is let the batter/runner know if he is running through the base or turning...

[sk7326]

Amaro was probably the worst of the bunch. Frank Wren, another Sox VP, was actually a pretty good GM in Atlanta, but his biggest flaw was not being John Schuerholz....

 

Wren was a bad GM ... poor relationship with his scouts, stopped bringing in upside (from an org which had a terrific record and network in the area)

[a700hitter]

And if your wife goes through a green light and gets T-Boned by someone going through the red light do you chastise her for not stopping and looking both ways at the intersection? We have a right to expect someone to obey the law (or make the right call).

 

I don't dispute that JBJ should have run through the bag, but blaming the 1B coach is...again... silly.

But Wouldn't you yell "Stop Sign!" when you realized that she was about to go through it. My Dad did that with me when I first got my license and I didn't get to use the car for 2 weeks. If I had gotten T-boned and hospitalized, the lesson would have been learned a whole different way and he would not have chastised me, but he would have tried to prevent it by yelling "stop sign." Coaches are supposed to be aware of everything going on on the field. They are not there to wear the spare uniforms and take up space. Edited August 2, 2017 by a700hitter

[Bellhorn04]

It is amazing what Devers and Nunez have done in this short time. We can't expect them to keep it up, obviously, but it does appear that they've provided the spark that our offense needed.

 

Lineup spark is a myth. Hitters don't make other hitters do better.