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Posted
23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Then have everyone get surgery now and let them rest up for midseason of '27. 

Good idea, especially since there will be no games until at least mid-2027

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Posted
37 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

That's it -- this is getaway year.

We thought '22 - '24 were rough... This may be 2020, but for 162 games. 😬

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Posted
7 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Then have everyone get surgery now and let them rest up for midseason of 

Crochet may actually miss through August with his not so low grade lat strain.

Talk about a season down the drain

Posted
3 hours ago, vegasbob said:

Crochet may actually miss through August with his not so low grade lat strain.

Talk about a season down the drain

they baby these pitchers (and swing & missers) to no end and still....they all end up on the IL. 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

they baby these pitchers (and swing & missers) to no end and still....they all end up on the IL. 

That's what happens when every single pitcher is max effort velo and spin. It's unsustainable.

Posted
5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

That's what happens when every single pitcher is max effort velo and spin. It's unsustainable.

well.....you'd think some of these geneuseses would look at the pitchers of yesteryear and think "hmmmm.....maybe we should emphasize command, movement and efficiency rather than throwing as hard as you f***ing can every pitch". naaaaah. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Duran Is The Man said:

well.....you'd think some of these geneuseses would look at the pitchers of yesteryear and think "hmmmm.....maybe we should emphasize command, movement and efficiency rather than throwing as hard as you f***ing can every pitch". naaaaah. 

It's the same reason Roman Anthony hurt himself swinging the bat. If every swing is a swing to hit the ball 500 ft, players are going to get hurt more often.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

well.....you'd think some of these geneuseses would look at the pitchers of yesteryear and think "hmmmm.....maybe we should emphasize command, movement and efficiency rather than throwing as hard as you f***ing can every pitch". naaaaah. 

Players are bigger, stronger, pulled from a larger talent pool, and many of them grow up playing baseball year round now.  

And they are emphasizing spin, which translates into movement. But that’s one of the things causing injuries. 

It’s not the same game as it was 15-20 years ago, back when a 95mph fastball was elite and not a minimum requirement like it is today…

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Posted
3 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

well.....you'd think some of these geneuseses would look at the pitchers of yesteryear and think "hmmmm.....maybe we should emphasize command, movement and efficiency rather than throwing as hard as you f***ing can every pitch". naaaaah. 

If Bennett and Early are throwing as hard as they can , and if that defines success in MLB ( big ifs),  then neither has a great future. Now Tolle does throw a few mph higher, so he's our guy

Now what is the chance that Crochet  has a lifetime shoulder inflammation or sore lat  from his 2026 workload at peak effort.  One thing he does have is a nice contract to live off, forever

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Posted
3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

🥴

No Boston player I recall , except Whitlock recently,  returned at the end of the IL period . Neither was any player beset with a lesser injury than first imagined.

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Posted
On 6/12/2026 at 7:14 PM, vegasbob said:

No Boston player I recall , except Whitlock recently,  returned at the end of the IL period .

I swear that, when I read this, I read it as "No Boston player ever returned from the IL".  Giving the state of communications from the FO, it sounded reasonable for about 20 seconds.

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Posted
On 6/11/2026 at 4:39 PM, notin said:

Players are bigger, stronger, pulled from a larger talent pool, and many of them grow up playing baseball year round now.  

And they are emphasizing spin, which translates into movement. But that’s one of the things causing injuries. 

It’s not the same game as it was 15-20 years ago, back when a 95mph fastball was elite and not a minimum requirement like it is today…

Players muscles are growing faster than the supporting tendons and ligaments.  And not a single athlete is going to throw slower, or run slower, or swing slower.  When you're trying to make the HS team, the last thing you think about is how your arm will feel in 20 years.

Posted
On 6/10/2026 at 1:22 PM, vegasbob said:

Just another highlight of the lost season of '26, znd if you think there will be a full 2027, think again.

I'm wondering if there will ever be a 2027 season.  Getting the players to agree to any form of a salary cap will be a huge hurdle.  

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Posted
7 hours ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

I'm wondering if there will ever be a 2027 season.  Getting the players to agree to any form of a salary cap will be a huge hurdle.  

I'd be shocked if there was no 2027 season.

And I wouldn't surprised if the owners aren't particularly interested in a cap.  It's all about % of revenue, and there are always ways around that.

Posted
19 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I'd be shocked if there was no 2027 season.

And I wouldn't surprised if the owners aren't particularly interested in a cap.  It's all about % of revenue, and there are always ways around that.

If the owners move off of a hard cap, the negotiations will progress, maybe not completely linearly (you know how negotiations go), but I do feel like they will get there.

Personally, I see both sides.  So like baseball franchise values are accelerating rapidly but not at the rate of like nhl.  John Henry made a billion dollars in 2 years (bought penguins for 1 bil, sell for 2bil, 2 years later)....Baseball teams arent going up at that rate.  

And make no mistake, the cap is 100% for ownership profits, 0% to do with general league competitiveness and health.  And there is a hard cap in football and hockey (not basketball, but the soft cap seems to work better in basketball vs baseball).

The compromise feels like no hard cap but so much penalties that it almost feels like a hard cap.  But I dont think the owners come off the demand for a hard cap as quickly as you seem to.  But I dont think your position is unreasonable and you have me hopeful theyll find the light at the end of the tunnel where both sides come away "okay"

Posted

"I am making billions off my baseball team, but it takes about 5 years for 1b of appreciation....In hockey, they are getting 1b in appreciation every 2.5 years.....waaaaaaaaa"

My initial gut reaction is get out of here , greedy billionaires.  But when I step back and try to think objectively, well hockey and football both have hard caps.....And basketball has a very limiting soft cap that almost acts like a hard cap....and maybe baseball shouldnt be the only spot where 3 owners can lap all other owners in spending even if its by choice.

Posted
24 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

"I am making billions off my baseball team, but it takes about 5 years for 1b of appreciation....In hockey, they are getting 1b in appreciation every 2.5 years.....waaaaaaaaa"

My initial gut reaction is get out of here , greedy billionaires.  But when I step back and try to think objectively, well hockey and football both have hard caps.....And basketball has a very limiting soft cap that almost acts like a hard cap....and maybe baseball shouldnt be the only spot where 3 owners can lap all other owners in spending even if its by choice.

The Sox could lap the other owners. They choose not to. Same with a few others. It's always been a choice. 

Posted
8 hours ago, drewski6 said:

0% to do with general league competitiveness and health. 

100% spot on.  You have maybe 6-7 teams that blow past the cap and probably don't want to be restrained.  You have maybe 12 teams so far away from the cap that they don't know what the number is.  Out of the remaining 10-11 teams, some are getting supported by the penalties from the big guys.

In addition, one could make the argument that competitiveness is not necessarily good for the financials.  When I looked at the WS ratings two years ago, we might be doing as well in Japan as we do.  IMHO, it is a boogeyman on both sides.  The owners would rather go bankrupt then not get a cap, but will gladly settle for 1% more of the revenue.  The union bosses will take 1% less so they can go back to the players and brag about not not having a cap like the (much richer) NFL players.

Posted

MLB.com Injury Report

Crochet: [He] said on June 12 he is "getting close" to throwing, something he hasn't been able to do since suffering a low-grade left lat strain on May 28. 

Anthony:  Expects to have imaging soon to determine how much his injury has healed in the last six weeks. He will resume swinging once the pain lessens.

Romy: Expected to start a Minor League rehab assignment on June 12. 

Sandoval:  Made second Minors rehab start on June 11, pitching 1 2/3 innings as he continues his build-up to a starter's workload

Sogard: Expected to resume swinging the week of June 15.

Oviedo: Started a throwing program in mid-June, but isn't close to a return.

Crawford: Continues to have right forearm tightness.

Casas: Is in the early stages of a hitting program, but not close to a return.

Story: Given the projected 8-to-12 week timetable to return following his May 21 surgery, Story won't be eligible to be activated until just after the All-Star break.

Houck: Making 75 throws out to 105 feet three days a week, and 30 throws at 60 feet three days a week while throwing changeups those days. Targeting mound work in late June.

 

 

Posted
13 hours ago, Donnie Sadler was short said:

Trevor Story question...if 2027 is completely gone due to a lockout...does that mean we're stuck with Story for 2028? What about if its a half season?

It would depend on what they bargain. 

Posted
23 hours ago, drewski6 said:

I do agree its really about revenue split, end of the day, Joe.

Yes MLB lockouts are when a few hundred people cannot agree on how to divide up several billion dollars…

Posted
On 6/16/2026 at 12:40 AM, moonslav59 said:

MLB.com Injury Report

Crochet: [He] said on June 12 he is "getting close" to throwing, something he hasn't been able to do since suffering a low-grade left lat strain on May 28. 

Anthony:  Expects to have imaging soon to determine how much his injury has healed in the last six weeks. He will resume swinging once the pain lessens.

Romy: Expected to start a Minor League rehab assignment on June 12. 

Sandoval:  Made second Minors rehab start on June 11, pitching 1 2/3 innings as he continues his build-up to a starter's workload

Sogard: Expected to resume swinging the week of June 15.

Oviedo: Started a throwing program in mid-June, but isn't close to a return.

Crawford: Continues to have right forearm tightness.

Casas: Is in the early stages of a hitting program, but not close to a return.

Story: Given the projected 8-to-12 week timetable to return following his May 21 surgery, Story won't be eligible to be activated until just after the All-Star break.

Houck: Making 75 throws out to 105 feet three days a week, and 30 throws at 60 feet three days a week while throwing changeups those days. Targeting mound work in late June.

 

 

Mr Henry. Can little Anthony come out, and play ball with us tonight?🤔

Posted
2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Mr Henry. Can little Anthony come out, and play ball with us tonight?🤔

The two previous players who had this injury:

1: surgery - out 6 weeks after surgery

2: surgery - out 12 weeks after surgery

The Sox opting to skip surgery may be a problem here. 

Posted
1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

The two previous players who had this injury:

1: surgery - out 6 weeks after surgery

2: surgery - out 12 weeks after surgery

The Sox opting to skip surgery may be a problem here. 

Why do the Sox always seem to have a bad medical team and make repeated bad choices concerning the timing of surgery and decisions to not have surgery?

Am I missing other teams being this bad, too?

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