Third Baseman Ketel Marte Is On the Boston Red Sox's Radar

[JoeBrady]

7 hours ago, Hitch said:

Young only as a poster! Those 400 posts are kindergarten around here! Ha!

Yes, it was a somewhat odd comment, but I like Moon, so didn't want to come across too harshly.

Everyone loves Moon, but Buehler-Oviedo?

[Randy Red Sox]

On 12/9/2025 at 6:58 PM, JoeBrady said:

Mr. Crochet, Bregman and Chapman would like a word.

Crochet is the only one you have a case on. Bregman took us for 40 million and bolted the first minute he could. MAYBE gave 15-20 million value. Chapman was great for sure but that was as much good fortune as any. Given his previous few seasons no-one was predicting 2025 numbers for him.

[UtahSox]

9 hours ago, notin said:

Well, the Sox were 7th last year.  5 runs behind 6th (Ari). 20 runs behind 3rd (Mil)…

We have been over this already… but I watched every single inning of every single game Aug-Oct. if you really want to argue we don’t need help offensively, I don’t know what else to say other than agree to disagree with a lot of us on here. 

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Everyone loves Moon, but Buehler-Oviedo?

Huh?

[Deja Doh]

Marte does nothing for me.  He's like 2/3 of the Alonso we lost.  

[notin]

24 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

Marte does nothing for me.  He's like 2/3 of the Alonso we lost.  

Marte is a much, much better hitter than Albso, and it isn’t close…

[Hugh2]

9 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Crochet is the only one you have a case on. Bregman took us for 40 million and bolted the first minute he could. MAYBE gave 15-20 million value. Chapman was great for sure but that was as much good fortune as any. Given his previous few seasons no-one was predicting 2025 numbers for him.

Technically he took us for $35 million cash and around $31 million in AAV.  But I’d say the biggest crime is losing draft picks for just one year of a guy.

 

[Hugh2]

3 hours ago, Deja Doh said:

Marte does nothing for me.  He's like 2/3 of the Alonso we lost.  

Alonso is power, Marte (who still has good power) literally does everything else better and at a more important at position where we need more help.

[Hugh2]

I love how people assume that all of

Duran/Rafaeal/Anthony///Narvaez/Story/Abreu/Crochett/Chapman could regress next year but.

Tucker/Alonso/Marte/Schwarber/Bichette would all not or be better

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I love how people assume that all of

Duran/Rafaeal/Anthony///Narvaez/Story/Abreu/Crochett/Chapman could regress next year but.

Tucker/Alonso/Marte/Schwarber/Bichette would all not or be better

I’ve spoken about the bad injury Ju Ju the past few years, so I’ll start there. I’m not counting on Story to stay healthy, or Mayer either for that matter. Chapman had a career year last year after bouncing around the league, and hadn’t been a FT closer for a number of years, so I’m not counting on him to be great again this year. Cro Man had the most innings pitched by a wide margin in his short career last year, so it will be something to see if it has any side effects this year. The bad injury Ju Ju is real.

[Old Red]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Alonso is power, Marte (who still has good power) literally does everything else better and at a more important at position where we need more help.

Didn’t Marte also have some issues last year of wanting to be on the field? His teammates were frustrated with the number of days off requests. 

[mvp 78]

51 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Didn’t Marte also have some issues last year of wanting to be on the field? His teammates were frustrated with the number of days off requests. 

Cora loves to give his players rest days. 

He had an issue where a fan berated him about his dead mother. Then his house was robbed of $1M. He was definitely going through it. It's not like the DBags were in prime position for a playoff spot either. They were on the outside looking in. 

[Hugh2]

52 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Didn’t Marte also have some issues last year of wanting to be on the field? His teammates were frustrated with the number of days off requests. 

I don't know about all that, and I'm not in love with bringing in Marte (although I certainly don't hate it) but he adds more value in other ways that Pete alonso does not, E.G. defense, speed on the bases.

Higher OBP

Higher AVG

Higher walk rates

lower K rate

While Marte has had a few below average season he's either been average or plus at 2b most seasons while Alonos has been an absolute horrible defender. 

Literally the only thing Alonso is better at is hitting Home Runs, and it's not like Marte doesn't hit them as the last 3 seasons he's hit 28,36,25. 

Again I'm not the president of the Marte fan club but he's definitively more valuable than Pete Alonso. 

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I’ve spoken about the bad injury Ju Ju the past few years, so I’ll start there. I’m not counting on Story to stay healthy, or Mayer either for that matter. Chapman had a career year last year after bouncing around the league, and hadn’t been a FT closer for a number of years, so I’m not counting on him to be great again this year. Cro Man had the most innings pitched by a wide margin in his short career last year, so it will be something to see if it has any side effects this year. The bad injury Ju Ju is real.

The thing about career years is this. 

If people want to suggest regression after a career year, well think of it this way if a player never had a career year AFTER having a career year every single MLB player in the history of the game would have their best season their rookie year and it would be all regression from there. 

I think Crochet is showing us what he is capable of and baring injury should be/could be just as good to better. 

CHapman is an interesting case giving his age.  Did he just have a really good year? or did the Sox pitching staff unlock something with him? because his control was definitively better last year. 

[Hugh2]

Some players are going to dissapoint us next year

Some players are going to surprise and outperform next year. 

I just hope more of the later our on our team. 

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Cora loves to give his players rest days. 

He had an issue where a fan berated him about his dead mother. Then his house was robbed of $1M. He was definitely going through it. It's not like the DBags were in prime position for a playoff spot either. They were on the outside looking in. 

Either way I think Cora can handle him.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

The thing about career years is this. 

If people want to suggest regression after a career year, well think of it this way if a player never had a career year AFTER having a career year every single MLB player in the history of the game would have their best season their rookie year and it would be all regression from there. 

I think Crochet is showing us what he is capable of and baring injury should be/could be just as good to better. 

CHapman is an interesting case giving his age.  Did he just have a really good year? or did the Sox pitching staff unlock something with him? because his control was definitively better last year. 

Yes control is, and was a big difference for Chapman last year.

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don't know about all that, and I'm not in love with bringing in Marte (although I certainly don't hate it) but he adds more value in other ways that Pete alonso does not, E.G. defense, speed on the bases.

Higher OBP

Higher AVG

Higher walk rates

lower K rate

While Marte has had a few below average season he's either been average or plus at 2b most seasons while Alonos has been an absolute horrible defender. 

Literally the only thing Alonso is better at is hitting Home Runs, and it's not like Marte doesn't hit them as the last 3 seasons he's hit 28,36,25. 

Again I'm not the president of the Marte fan club but he's definitively more valuable than Pete Alonso. 

With Marte, it's a loooooong contract and he's already 32. Is he a 1B down the road? The swing profile would lose a few more HR's at Fenway IMO. 

[Duran Is The Man]

4 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Technically he took us for $35 million cash and around $31 million in AAV.  But I’d say the biggest crime is losing draft picks for just one year of a guy.

 

we lost just a little bit more than cash and draft picks; we lost the "face of the franchise" and 30+HRs a year.

[Hugh2]

7 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

we lost just a little bit more than cash and draft picks; we lost the "face of the franchise" and 30+HRs a year.

This is true, and that kind of rubs me the wrong way and takes away a lot of the goodwill they earned back from signing Bregman last year. 

He opts out after one year, they win one playoff game that year, and they lose draft picks from it.  Not a good look. 

[Duran Is The Man]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

This is true, and that kind of rubs me the wrong way and takes away a lot of the goodwill they earned back from signing Bregman last year. 

He opts out after one year, they win one playoff game that year, and they lose draft picks from it.  Not a good look. 

agree. i was 100% on the Breslow bandwagon. until the big wheel on the left side fell off.

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

This is true, and that kind of rubs me the wrong way and takes away a lot of the goodwill they earned back from signing Bregman last year. 

He opts out after one year, they win one playoff game that year, and they lose draft picks from it.  Not a good look. 

It was always going to be just a 1 year contract, and that’s what makes the Raffy fiasco even worse IMO.

[Hugh2]

24 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

agree. i was 100% on the Breslow bandwagon. until the big wheel on the left side fell off.

I'm still on the Breslow bandwagon, this team could be so much worse with ownership that doesn't allow the CBO/POBO to play in the deep end with the big boys. 

[drewski6]

24 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It was always going to be just a 1 year contract, and that’s what makes the Raffy fiasco even worse IMO.

And if Bregman got hurt and never came back and there were questions about if he would ever play again? You know what would happen? HINT: it wasnt a mutual option

The deal protected Bregman against a resurgence but did NOT protect the team. It wasnt a mutual opt out, it wasnt a mutual option, if that was the intent thats what it would have been

The way the years were structured favored bregman (opt outs , but team cant opt out for 3 years) to get bregman to agree because the deal was light in terms overall guaranteed dollars (I think under 100m when discounting deferrals)

And because Bregman didnt fall off a cliff or get so injured that the rest of his career is in doubt - he opted out. 

So even last year, the total contract was a theoretical underpay ( evidenced by the sox agreed to give him unilateral ability to nix it and opt out)

If Bregman tore his MCL, he was staying.  IF his bat slowed way down and he couldnt hit all year, he was staying.  It wasnt a 1 yr.  It was a deal that gave Bregamn the decision on when to go because a lot of you continue to underrate his market and hes getting 160m minimum

[Duran Is The Man]

18 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I'm still on the Breslow bandwagon, this team could be so much worse with ownership that doesn't allow the CBO/POBO to play in the deep end with the big boys. 

ownership being tight-fisted is one thing -and that's on JH. making horrible trades is on Breslow. 

[Hugh2]

9 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

ownership being tight-fisted is one thing -and that's on JH. making horrible trades is on Breslow. 

I mean every GM makes bad trades if you exclude everything but the bad trades.  I think trades has actually been his strength

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

And if Bregman got hurt and never came back and there were questions about if he would ever play again? You know what would happen? HINT: it wasnt a mutual option

The deal protected Bregman against a resurgence but did NOT protect the team. It wasnt a mutual opt out, it wasnt a mutual option, if that was the intent thats what it would have been

The way the years were structured favored bregman (opt outs , but team cant opt out for 3 years) to get bregman to agree because the deal was light in terms overall guaranteed dollars (I think under 100m when discounting deferrals)

And because Bregman didnt fall off a cliff or get so injured that the rest of his career is in doubt - he opted out. 

So even last year, the total contract was a theoretical underpay ( evidenced by the sox agreed to give him unilateral ability to nix it and opt out)

If Bregman tore his MCL, he was staying.  IF his bat slowed way down and he couldnt hit all year, he was staying.  It wasnt a 1 yr.  It was a deal that gave Bregamn the decision on when to go because a lot of you continue to underrate his market and hes getting 160m minimum

I get on paper it could have been a 3 year deal for the player, but outside of something drastic happening like being injured he was only staying for 1 year, and then go shopping again, or negotiate an even longer deal from the Red Sox. It really wasn’t too complicated . If he can get $160M good for him, but I hope it isn’t from Boston.

[Duran Is The Man]

5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I mean every GM makes bad trades if you exclude everything but the bad trades.  I think trades has actually been his strength

he's certainly not afraid to make them -good or bad. i won't go over all the trades as i know Moon has done this many times, but, in my mind, the Crochet trade was the only good trade. and we paid a heavy price in that deal. 

[JoeBrady]

41 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It was always going to be just a 1 year contract, and that’s what makes the Raffy fiasco even worse IMO.

Raffy was finished at 3rd.  Whether they signed Bregman or not made no difference.  I kind of look at Bregman as the bridge to Mayer.  The issue with Casas injury could not have been predicted.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, Duran Is The Man said:

he's certainly not afraid to make them -good or bad. i won't go over all the trades as i know Moon has done this many times, but, in my mind, the Crochet trade was the only good trade. and we paid a heavy price in that deal. 

That’s what Suspects are good for. Producing in a Red Sox uniform, or traded for someone who does. The White Sox paid a heavy price too. A good well worth it trade for both sides.