Disappointed

[Sox 42]

Unless I missed some late breaking news I am sorely disappointed in the Sox lack of activity.

Guess management feels the Sox are fine with the current roster with the addition of two mediocre pitchers.  I STRONGLY DISAGREE!!  Sox management looks at the bottom line before wanting to win.  Profit from a major sports franchise is made when you sell the team.  Winning teams put butts in the seats and sells team merchandise.  It's not like the Sox management doesn't have bucks.  Don't be surprised if Lebron bails due to lack of interest in winning.

We still have excess left hand hitting outfielders , No consistent player at first base and no backup catcher.  We gave up a right handed power hitting corner infielder for a left handed reliever and gave up a piece from the Devers trade for a Tommy John pitcher with a losing record and an ERA over 4.00

[moonslav59]

Disappointed is too mild a word.

[Larry Cook]

Given the prices for quality controllable pitching, I think bres-slow did a decent job with Matz and may 

[Nick]

Breslow is just a big time wimp.....there's really no other word for him. No imagination. Just want to hang on to players so we can finish just out of the playoffs. 

I wished I had money to buy the Sox. He'd be first to go. 

[Nick]

Let see, in  2026 we'll go with the rotation of

1 Crochet

2 Bello

3 Kutter

4 Sandoval

5 Houck

Brez will say he'll acquire some help at the trading deadline. There goes another missed playoffs.

 

[Thunder]

I have zero problems with the moves made - or lack thereof. What did you expect us to do? Sell the entire farm? Our window of opportunity is just opening. We have a lot of exciting young talent, both at the major league and minor league level that are going to make this team competitive for many years to come. You can't get the big names on the trade market without giving away some of those names. Dustin May is better than both Buehler and Fitts, so he's automatically an upgrade to the rotation. Matz has experience starting so he can fill in that #5 spot when needed, or we can move him there permanently and transition Fitts to the long reliever role. 

 

To those that are upset, I ask: Would you rather have gotten nothing? Because, as we all know, that was also a very realistic possibility given this ownership group.

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, Thunder said:

I have zero problems with the moves made - or lack thereof. What did you expect us to do? Sell the entire farm? Our window of opportunity is just opening. We have a lot of exciting young talent, both at the major league and minor league level that are going to make this team competitive for many years to come. You can't get the big names on the trade market without giving away some of those names. Dustin May is better than both Buehler and Fitts, so he's automatically an upgrade to the rotation. Matz has experience starting so he can fill in that #5 spot when needed, or we can move him there permanently and transition Fitts to the long reliever role. 

 

To those that are upset, I ask: Would you rather have gotten nothing? Because, as we all know, that was also a very realistic possibility given this ownership group.

The real issue is that other AL teams in contention did much more than us.

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Given the prices for quality controllable pitching, I think bres-slow did a decent job with Matz and may 

We "overpaid" for Crochet, and that was fine.

We don't know what MIN wanted for Ryan or Pit for Keller, but it was likely more than what they will want in December.

[Thunder]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The real issue is that other AL teams in contention did much more than us.

I don’t disagree with that. But the last few seasons have shown us that the playoff is an absolute crapshoot and that momentum has a better chance of taking you all the way than a superfluous amount of talent and bullpen arms. Not saying we’re better off than those other teams after today, but it’s not like the world is ending either.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Thunder said:

I have zero problems with the moves made - or lack thereof. What did you expect us to do? Sell the entire farm? Our window of opportunity is just opening. We have a lot of exciting young talent, both at the major league and minor league level that are going to make this team competitive for many years to come. You can't get the big names on the trade market without giving away some of those names. Dustin May is better than both Buehler and Fitts, so he's automatically an upgrade to the rotation. Matz has experience starting so he can fill in that #5 spot when needed, or we can move him there permanently and transition Fitts to the long reliever role. 

 

To those that are upset, I ask: Would you rather have gotten nothing? Because, as we all know, that was also a very realistic possibility given this ownership group.

No.

Option A: trade K Campbell, Jh Garcia, Romero, Sandlin, Early and Mullins for 2 controllable pitchers or a better pitcher and a 1Bman. That's not trading the entire farm. It's 1 top 10 prospect.

Option B: Don't trade the "entire team," just trade all free agents to be: Chapman, Bregman, Wilson, Buehler & Refsnyder. (We could re-sign Bregman, this winter.)

[Thunder]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We "overpaid" for Crochet, and that was fine.

We don't know what MIN wanted for Ryan or Pit for Keller, but it was likely more than what they will want in December.

Yankees were willing to give up Spencer Jones for Bednar, so I’m assuming he was on the table for Keller as well. Not that it matters 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The real issue is that other AL teams in contention did much more than us.

Some did much more.

The Yanks got the NL saves leader to fill their biggest hole. They added secondary pieces better than our two adds.

SEA got way better.

TEX got way better.

DET & HOU got significantly better. That's 5 teams for 6 slots.

TOR is 5 ahead of us. That's team #6.

We just went from a top 6 team to the #7 team out of 15 in the AL.

[Thunder]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

No.

Option A: trade K Campbell, Jh Garcia, Romero, Sandlin, Early and Mullins for 2 controllable pitchers or a better pitcher and a 1Bman. That's not trading the entire farm. It's 1 top 10 prospect.

Option B: Don't trade the "entire team," just trade all free agents to be: Chapman, Bregman, Wilson, Buehler & Refsnyder. (We could re-sign Bregman, this winter.)

I think Campbell, Casas and Duran can get us just about anybody we want in the offseason. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Thunder said:

Yankees were willing to give up Spencer Jones for Bednar, so I’m assuming he was on the table for Keller as well. Not that it matters 

They also got Doval- a NL saves leader in 2023.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Thunder said:

I think Campbell, Casas and Duran can get us just about anybody we want in the offseason. 

We certainly have winter trade options, but we just wasted a season of Crochet, Bregman and others.

[Thunder]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

We certainly have winter trade options, but we just wasted a season of Crochet, Bregman and others.

Calling the season “wasted” when we’re still 59-51 and 1.5 games away from hosting a wild card series is a little extreme, in my opinion. I think we all need to let the final 52 games play themselves out first. 

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The real issue is that other AL teams in contention did much more than us.

No doubt.  

I'm less inclined to criticize Breslow for 3 reasons--

1. To get Cease from San Diego, he was going to have to cough up Duran.  That's how insane the market is in July.  

2. The second is that the Sox right now do not have any big weaknesses.  Sox pitching, in terms of team ERA, now ranked 10th in MLB, is its best since 2018.  Defense is solid, despite all the whining about errors.   Sox hitting is 4th in MLB in terms of runs scored and 5th in terms of team OPS.  Baserunning is good.  

3. And guess what? We've seen what Breslow can do in the offseason because last winter he brought in Crochet, Chapman, Bregman, and Narvaez--all 4 of whom have been have been freaking invaluable.    Does anyone on this board think Breslow would have done remotely as well this month?  If so, you are nuts.  

[Maxbialystock]

18 minutes ago, Thunder said:

Calling the season “wasted” when we’re still 59-51 and 1.5 games away from hosting a wild card series is a little extreme, in my opinion. I think we all need to let the final 52 games play themselves out first. 

I'm with you, Thunder.    The Sox have just been through a gauntlet--4 vs Rays, 3 @ Cubs, 3 @ Phillies, 3 vs Dodgers, and 3 @ Twins--and were 10-6.    And they did that with what everyone seems to think are "too many outfielders," which is horsehockey. 

[G-Man]

Very Disappointed.  May splits outside of Dodger Stadium are terrible, worse than Fitts.  Matz ir OK but that makes 5 lefties in the pen, well i guess we have good depth there.  Sox are a team hell bent on trying to be in the mix in August and September, winning it all... only if the moon, sun and stars align.  I recall a scout calling Bres a stiff earlier this year.  That may or may not be true, but either he can't do the job, or the owner has tied his hands.  Boston will usually be good enough by the trade deadline that the fans will be let down. It's ok though because Fenway is now filling up with visiting teams' fans.  As long as the tickets sell why care!

[illinoisredsox]

27 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm with you, Thunder.    The Sox have just been through a gauntlet--4 vs Rays, 3 @ Cubs, 3 @ Phillies, 3 vs Dodgers, and 3 @ Twins--and were 10-6.    And they did that with what everyone seems to think are "too many outfielders," which is horsehockey. 

I disagree, it’s not horse hockey.  It’s one of mule fritters, buffalo bagels or pony pucks.

[Hitch]

8 hours ago, Thunder said:

I have zero problems with the moves made - or lack thereof. What did you expect us to do? Sell the entire farm? Our window of opportunity is just opening. We have a lot of exciting young talent, both at the major league and minor league level that are going to make this team competitive for many years to come. You can't get the big names on the trade market without giving away some of those names. Dustin May is better than both Buehler and Fitts, so he's automatically an upgrade to the rotation. Matz has experience starting so he can fill in that #5 spot when needed, or we can move him there permanently and transition Fitts to the long reliever role. 

 

To those that are upset, I ask: Would you rather have gotten nothing? Because, as we all know, that was also a very realistic possibility given this ownership group.

I'm more on your side of things in terms of our actual window. So then for me, the obvious choice was to buy and sell this window. Send away Chapman, Gio and Refsnyder at least, get the overpays and then reinvest those prospects and Devers money in the off season and have a core team ready to go for 5 years. In the meantime, give some of the prospects a chance the rest of the year.

The reasons this couldn't really happen however is because the atmosphere around the fan base is so toxic (which is fair enough) and relations with ownership is terrible.

Because of past mistakes, management now keep blundering into other (repeated) mistakes, rather than taking decisive action and setting the team up once and for all.

It was frustrating as hell seeing this play out entirely as some of us had predicted this past month. Sometimes the saying 'past performance is indicative of future results' really is all you need to sum it up. As is - "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

[Hitch]

7 hours ago, Thunder said:

I think Campbell, Casas and Duran can get us just about anybody we want in the offseason. 

Do you mean as in one package? Because Casas has next to no trade value alone, and Campbell's has taken a hit, too.

[Thunder]

1 hour ago, Hitch said:

Do you mean as in one package? Because Casas has next to no trade value alone, and Campbell's has taken a hit, too.

One of my coworkers here in Pittsburgh said he would accept a trade featuring these 3 players for Skenes. Now, he isn’t Bob Nutting or Ben Cherington, but if we want to make a big splash, we certainly could with these 3 guys. Could be for anybody too, not just Skenes 

[Hitch]

Just now, Thunder said:

One of my coworkers here in Pittsburgh said he would accept a trade featuring these 3 players for Skenes. Now, he isn’t Bob Nutting or Ben Cherington, but if we want to make a big splash, we certainly could with these 3 guys. Could be for anybody too, not just Skenes 

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.  I think the Pirates laughter would be heard across the continent. 

[mvp 78]

11 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Given the prices for quality controllable pitching, I think bres-slow did a decent job with Matz and may 

The prices are always high at the deadline! Especially for cost controlled pitching! 

[mvp 78]

1. Don't say "we're going to be buyers" and then only come away with two rental "upside" guys. In fact, it's better to not say anything at all.

2. Don't say "we understand the fans frustration." See point 1. Communication from the CBO is just downright awful. 

3. The ongoing trade deadline punting (22-25), especially for a team that is supposedly making a run at the playoffs, just doesn't make sense. Put away the models and make some moves. When the competition around you is getting better, sitting back and only doing little is only adding fuel to point #2.

4. I mentioned recently that Breslow has started to empty out the org of hitters and only replaced the pitching pipeline. This continued with the trades of Jordan, Tibbs and Ehrhard for two rental pitchers. In a vacuum, the moves aren't a huge problem. However, we've seen what happens when the Sox can't callup internal options when everyday guys get injured in recent years and it wasn't pretty. Tibbs may have been further down the depth chart, but there's a good chance that you'd need him in two years. Same when you just put in a "throwaway" like Ehrhard. 

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, Thunder said:

Calling the season “wasted” when we’re still 59-51 and 1.5 games away from hosting a wild card series is a little extreme, in my opinion. I think we all need to let the final 52 games play themselves out first. 

The season wasn't wasted, just the trade deadline IMO. They didn't even really move enough of the Rule 5 guys. 

[jad]

How can anyone be disappointed?? It was a WILDLY successful trade-deadline.  Henry just wisely pocketed the 30million/yr he saved by unloading Devers.    If he'd reinvested that money in the team, how would be feed his family?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not here to bitch. Like Thunder, I'm ok with adding two legitimate pitchers.

This pair may not be great, but at least they're not washed up old veterans like guys we're used to seeing being called deadline recruits. I've liked Matz since the 2015 World Series and always thought he'd be useful in Boston.

May was one of the starters who I clamored for in the Betts trade. Getting him for Tibbs at least makes the Devers trade better. May rounds out the rotation, which was a priority.

The overrated offense still lacks consistent thump, and I still don't believe a word the front office says. Ever.

[Bellhorn04]

10 hours ago, Thunder said:

I think Campbell, Casas and Duran can get us just about anybody we want in the offseason. 

Casas has virtually zero value right now.