Red Sox (Giolito) vs Giants (Ray): 6/22/25, 4:05pm

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

,The baseball gods are correcting the mistake of the Sox being over .500. After reviewing the facts, the gods determined that this is a 78-84 team again.

[illinoisredsox]

5 minutes ago, bkzwhitestrican said:

Duran beat the throw by plenty so it wasn't a bad decision to go for 2. Just a bad overslide. 

 

1 minute ago, Maxbialystock said:

To beat the throw he had to overslide.  

Agree the errors killed us, but he bullpen today has been awful.  

It was a bad decision because baserunners are important when you are down 3.  You have to be sure you’re going to make it, and that was anything but sure.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

,The baseball gods are correcting the mistake of the Sox being over .500. After reviewing the facts, the gods determined that this is a 78-84 team again.

The gods also notified me that if Devers had remained a member of the Sox, the Sox would have improved to 80-82.

[vegasbob]

Due to some family health issues, i spent the week in Chicago and did not see any Red Sox games, but was encouraged by their recent winning ways, including pitching .

Looked forward to watching the series win today in SF, but what I have seen is the same old, same old 2025 season with players making fundamental errors,  garbage relief pitching, poor situational awareness, an overall sloppy game, that was very winnable. 

So I have concluded by the eyeball test that it is my watching the game that influences the Sox to play poorl;y.

What am i offered to not watch anymore ????   Otherwise , you guys are watching some  fully baked turkeys out there.

[vegasbob]

BTW,  I will be at the Angels game tomorrow night, so  we'll see if being present helps them, as Thunder's presence led to many wins a season ago.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The chumpiring in this game is worse than usual.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

A foul tip off this umpire's mask would be extremely welcome.

[illinoisredsox]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

The chump ring in this game is worse than usual.

The plate umpire’s been pretty bad.  The rest were okay.  Like I said earlier, the call on Duran was defensible by the 2nd base ump; it was that close.  The replay guy is another story.

All of a sudden, that strike 2 call on Hamilton is looking big.

[Maxbialystock]

7 minutes ago, iortiz said:

The amount of errors, poor fundamentals and terrible base-running has to be addressed ASAP.  Enough is enough. I don’t care who has to go. This is getting ridiculous. 

Cora was not responsible for the two errors nor for the crappy job the bullpen did.  I wouldn't even blame him for Duran's double attempt because Duran is supposed to be aggressive on the basepaths.  Plus it was a split-second decision.  Plus he actually got to 2b safely before oversliding.  

On the plus side, I liked Giolito's quality start and the Sox hitting.  

Game over.  Bummer.  

Sox now 3-3 on the west coast trip.  

[Tedballgame]

39 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Pretty bad.  That error by Gonzalez was nevertheless a hard hit ball.  

99.99999% of MLB second basemen would have caught that ball. Professional ballplayers are supposed to be able to catch a hard hit line drive right at them. 90% of posters here would have caught it.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

6 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

The plate umpire’s been pretty bad.  The rest were okay.  Like I said earlier, the call on Duran was defensible by the 2nd base ump; it was that close.  The replay guy is another story.

All of a sudden, that strike 2 call on Hamilton is looking big.

Well, I do credit MLB for hiring the legally blind in umpiring positions. And the umpires' union will not hold legally blind umps accountable.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

19 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Due to some family health issues, i spent the week in Chicago and did not see any Red Sox games, but was encouraged by their recent winning ways, including pitching .

Looked forward to watching the series win today in SF, but what I have seen is the same old, same old 2025 season with players making fundamental errors,  garbage relief pitching, poor situational awareness, an overall sloppy game, that was very winnable. 

So I have concluded by the eyeball test that it is my watching the game that influences the Sox to play poorl;y.

What am i offered to not watch anymore ????   Otherwise , you guys are watching some  fully baked turkeys out there.

I'll offer you my complete collection of Justin Bieber albums, including his latest Justin Does Elton John. Actually, that one's a video.

[Nick]

Giolito had only throw 83 pitches. You have to let these veterans throw 100 pitches. Was it too hot in San Fran today?

Crochet, Buehler and Giolito should get 100 pitches as long as the team is in the game. I think Giolito is a gutsy pitcher. When he sucks, he sucks and admits it. But he's pitched well on road games this year. Take him out if we were down but it was 5-5 I think.

Pitching Pitching Pitching....find a 2nd ace.

[illinoisredsox]

32 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Sox now 3-3 on the west coast trip.  

West Coast trips are never easy, and both Seattle and SF are pretty good teams.  Before it started, I think virtually all rational fans would have signed up for 5-4 or 4-5 on this trip.

[illinoisredsox]

They must consider Weissert totally expendable for the 2nd half.  Today was his 38th appearance (he leads the league) in 79 Sox games to date. That is way too high a workload for any bullpen guy to remain effective.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

,The baseball gods are correcting the mistake of the Sox being over .500. After reviewing the facts, the gods determined that this is a 78-84 team again.

We are 14th in hitting and 15th in pitching. We are at .500. Mediocre again. Yet the mss as management says they’re not throwing in the towel. They should. I know they can’t SAY that but it’s obvious they know.

Mediocre again. Disgusting 

[moonslav59]

At so many pints in this game, I felt we had a good shot at pulling it out. The D let us down, and the pen just couldn't get that extra out the defense forced on them.

I think we gave our all, this series, and it's the first one we've lost in a while.

I'm hopeful we get back on track but this growing IL list is getting absurd.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

29 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

At so many pints in this game, I felt we had a good shot at pulling it out. T

How many pints did you drink today before the Red Sox started looking good?

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

How many pints did you drink today before the Red Sox started looking good?

I said, they looked like the had a good shot at winning, a few times.

They had more hits than SF and the same amount of homers and errors.

No, they did not look good, very often, except for the dingers.

[Thunder]

It's almost like they could sense that I had left town, and went back to their old routine of sloppy defense

[moonslav59]

We are now a half game behind SEA and CLE for the last WC slot.

The Jays and Rays are still in reach.

[Maxbialystock]

3 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

 

It was a bad decision because baserunners are important when you are down 3.  You have to be sure you’re going to make it, and that was anything but sure.

I said that.  Down 3 you can't make a stupid baserunning mistake.  On the other hand, taking 2d base like that is normal for Duran.  Plus he beat the throw.   I would add that the Giants have a pretty good bullpen, so I'm not so sure this mistake made much of a difference.  Bigger was the error on the pop fly, and bigger than that was the error on the line drive to Gonzalez.  

 

[Maxbialystock]

2 hours ago, Thunder said:

It's almost like they could sense that I had left town, and went back to their old routine of sloppy defense

I watched the game too, and I'm less sure the defense was sloppy.  On the pop to left, both players were busting their buns to catch an inbetweener and collided.  It was in Eaton's glove, so Duran got the error, but it could have easily gone the other way.  When a ball is just in reach of both players, collisions are hard to avoid and I would not call them "sloppy."

On the line drive to Gonzalez, I think it was very hard hit and less easy to position his glove correctly.  

[cp176]

6 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

I watched the game too, and I'm less sure the defense was sloppy.  On the pop to left, both players were busting their buns to catch an inbetweener and collided.  It was in Eaton's glove, so Duran got the error, but it could have easily gone the other way.  When a ball is just in reach of both players, collisions are hard to avoid and I would not call them "sloppy."

On the line drive to Gonzalez, I think it was very hard hit and less easy to position his glove correctly.  

I get all of the righty lefty stuff with respect to hitting but having Mayer on the bench definitely affects the defense.  Pick your poison I guess.  I’ve never liked the way that Cora tends to deal with too many players trying to play too many different positions.  You want better infield defense, Mayer needs to be on the field.

[mvp 78]

13 hours ago, vegasbob said:

BTW,  I will be at the Angels game tomorrow night, so  we'll see if being present helps them, as Thunder's presence led to many wins a season ago.

Not this year apparently! 

[Hitch]

9 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

I watched the game too, and I'm less sure the defense was sloppy.  On the pop to left, both players were busting their buns to catch an inbetweener and collided.  It was in Eaton's glove, so Duran got the error, but it could have easily gone the other way.  When a ball is just in reach of both players, collisions are hard to avoid and I would not call them "sloppy."

On the line drive to Gonzalez, I think it was very hard hit and less easy to position his glove correctly.  

The sloppy part was the lack of communication. Duran has to be screaming that the play was his to make. 

[Hitch]

13 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

They must consider Weissert totally expendable for the 2nd half.  Today was his 38th appearance (he leads the league) in 79 Sox games to date. That is way too high a workload for any bullpen guy to remain effective.

This has been my thinking for a little while. I think they're okay burning some of these guys in the first half and then retooling at the deadline. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

The sloppy part was the lack of communication. Duran has to be screaming that the play was his to make. 

Eaton had it in his glove and is the better defender tho? 

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Eaton had it in his glove and is the better defender tho? 

The guy running in has to take control over the guy running backwards, for me.  Either way, Eaton should have been screaming if he was that confident. I watched the replays and it looked like neither of them opened their mouths.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, cp176 said:

I get all of the righty lefty stuff with respect to hitting but having Mayer on the bench definitely affects the defense.  Pick your poison I guess.  I’ve never liked the way that Cora tends to deal with too many players trying to play too many different positions.  You want better infield defense, Mayer needs to be on the field.

Totally agree. 

Mayer doesn't profile as one of those slick-fielding banjo hitters, either. He's a big guy with obvious pop, currently listed as 6-3, 188 at age 22.

I can see Mayer's ceiling maybe like a Matt Chapman: Gold Glover, with relatively high K numbers, but an OPS always hovering around .800. Chapman is listed at 6-1, 225. His annual average through nine seasons is 6 bWAR... I'll take a decade of that.