Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Breslow just all but confirmed he's going to trade a lefty bat, so don't anticipate Rafaela or Campbell being dealt. Ceddanne is signed longterm and his bat is still viewed as a risk, so he's not any bargain for acquiring teams; meanwhile, Kristian Campbell is coming off a season when he was on the fastest track to stardom of any minor leaguer in the world. 

And baseball's #1 prospect, Anthony the Roman Candle, is going nowhere, except in the heart of the Sox' order for the next decade.

Teel also has to be kept, because there's no getting around the fact that Red Sox catchers suck. Both Wong and Jansen are negative dWAR receivers, with these Defensive Runs Saved Above Average for Boston: Wong -20, Jansen -30... 

So, which of the following lefty swingers is a goner: Duran, Casas, Mayer or Abreu? (listed in order of bringing back the best returns; if you're an interested GM, do you prefer the youngest talent or the most durable right now?)

Think Brez can get a better pitcher for Mayer and Abreu than just Duran or Casas? Maybe not... but dealing Casas will mean a major overhaul and be more costly, moving Devers to 1B and signing Bregman, or trading a ton for Vlad Jr.

Then it's settled: the Red Sox' best chip is Jarren Duran.

[notin]

53 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Breslow just all but confirmed he's going to trade a lefty bat, so don't anticipate Rafaela or Campbell being dealt. Ceddanne is signed longterm and his bat is still viewed as a risk, so he's not any bargain for acquiring teams; meanwhile, Kristian Campbell is coming off a season when he was on the fastest track to stardom of any minor leaguer in the world. 

And baseball's #1 prospect, Anthony the Roman Candle, is going nowhere, except in the heart of the Sox' order for the next decade.

Teel also has to be kept, because there's no getting around the fact that Red Sox catchers suck. Both Wong and Jansen are negative dWAR receivers, with these Defensive Runs Saved Above Average for Boston: Wong -20, Jansen -30... 

So, which of the following lefty swingers is a goner: Duran, Casas, Mayer or Abreu? (listed in order of bringing back the best returns; if you're an interested GM, do you prefer the youngest talent or the most durable right now?)

Think Brez can get a better pitcher for Mayer and Abreu than just Duran or Casas? Maybe not... but dealing Casas will mean a major overhaul and be more costly, moving Devers to 1B and signing Bregman, or trading a ton for Vlad Jr.

Then it's settled: the Red Sox' best chip is Jarren Duran.

Trading Mayer doesn’t open a play for a RHH to play.  I think he moves Abreu and possibly Casas, whom he deals to the Angels for refusing to sign an extension…

[moonslav59]

53 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Breslow just all but confirmed he's going to trade a lefty bat, so don't anticipate Rafaela or Campbell being dealt. Ceddanne is signed longterm and his bat is still viewed as a risk, so he's not any bargain for acquiring teams; meanwhile, Kristian Campbell is coming off a season when he was on the fastest track to stardom of any minor leaguer in the world. 

And baseball's #1 prospect, Anthony the Roman Candle, is going nowhere, except in the heart of the Sox' order for the next decade.

Teel also has to be kept, because there's no getting around the fact that Red Sox catchers suck. Both Wong and Jansen are negative dWAR receivers, with these Defensive Runs Saved Above Average for Boston: Wong -20, Jansen -30... 

So, which of the following lefty swingers is a goner: Duran, Casas, Mayer or Abreu? (listed in order of bringing back the best returns; if you're an interested GM, do you prefer the youngest talent or the most durable right now?)

Think Brez can get a better pitcher for Mayer and Abreu than just Duran or Casas? Maybe not... but dealing Casas will mean a major overhaul and be more costly, moving Devers to 1B and signing Bregman, or trading a ton for Vlad Jr.

Then it's settled: the Red Sox' best chip is Jarren Duran.

I mentioned trading Mayer and keeping Campbell. The RHB aspect might be the deciding factor. On keeping Rafaela over Abreu, I'm not so sure the righty-lefty aspect is so clear, since Rafaela is such a poor hitter vs both handed pitchers. If Ref comes back, the need for a RHB OF'er like Rafaela's in muted. Duran can play CF vs LHPs, Anthony in RF and Ref in LF. That being said, I think it is just as likely we trade Abreu over Rafaela. I think Mayer and Abreu/Rafaela could get us a major piece or two for the pitching staff. Another serious option could be to try and keep all the top prospects and look at shaking up the defense by trading Casas and Abreu for pitching, leaving us this:

C: Wong + defensive 1 yr catcher addition with Teel knocking on the door.

1B: Devers, yes it could be that time. Half his errors are with his arm, so maybe he can be plus on D at 1B.

2B: Campbell or Mayer (Grissom/DHam- maybe one gets traded, too.)

SS: Story of Mayer (Campbell, Romy)

3B: Mayer or Campbell (Romy, Mediroth)

LF: Duran/Refsnyder (E Valdez)

CF: Rafaela/Duran (Campbell)

RF: Anthony (Campbell)

DH: Yoshida (Ref/E Valdez)

If we keep Abreu and trade Rafaela: LF: Duran-Ref, CF: Duran-Anthony, RF: Anthony-Abreu (A Ref-Abreu platoon, with moving parts on who plays where.)

While the return for Casas may be less than for Mayer, I think mayer's upside might be higher. I doubt Casas will ever be an average defender at 1B, and he could DH once Yoshi's time is up. We could hold off moving Devers to 1B for 2 more years. I do think Casas is more of a sure bet with the bat than Mayer, so...

I think any major moves revolves around these ideas.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Trading Mayer doesn’t open a play for a RHH to play.  I think he moves Abreu and possibly Casas, whom he deals to the Angels for refusing to sign an extension…

That may depend on Story's health and durability. If Story plays FT SS, only one of Mayer or Campbell can win the 2B job. While it's true that Campbell could play 3B (Devers to 1B and trade Casas or Yoshi,) I don't see a slot for Campbell in our current OF, even if we trade Abreu. (I guess he could force Rafaela to the 4th OF slot.)

[Hugh2]

It will be fascinating how the offseason develops. 

One thing that's hard for us to see as fans is how other teams internally evaluate our roster and prospects.  Maybe Mayer is the guy you think gets traded for a starting pitcher, but some teams are going to be higher on him than others.  I'm sure if every team did their own top 100 list Mayer would be top 10 on some, and probably bottom top 50 for others. 

I think it's all about return.  Perhaps Duran gets moved, perhaps it's Abreu, perhaps it's a prospect package.  Heck, maybe they trade one of their outfielders and load up on pitching in the trade market and go out and sign Soto.  realistic? probably not, but the point is we don't know. 

I'm going to say that the Sox are going to make big moves this offseason, but at this point I feel like a man who predicts rain every day.  One day.....one day I'll be right. 

[mvp 78]

38 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

It will be fascinating how the offseason develops. 

One thing that's hard for us to see as fans is how other teams internally evaluate our roster and prospects.  Maybe Mayer is the guy you think gets traded for a starting pitcher, but some teams are going to be higher on him than others.  I'm sure if every team did their own top 100 list Mayer would be top 10 on some, and probably bottom top 50 for others. 

I think it's all about return.  Perhaps Duran gets moved, perhaps it's Abreu, perhaps it's a prospect package.  Heck, maybe they trade one of their outfielders and load up on pitching in the trade market and go out and sign Soto.  realistic? probably not, but the point is we don't know. 

I'm going to say that the Sox are going to make big moves this offseason, but at this point I feel like a man who predicts rain every day.  One day.....one day I'll be right. 

Does Rafaela have more or less trade value with the extension he signed? 

[Hugh2]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Does Rafaela have more or less trade value with the extension he signed? 

I don't know.  The thing with Rafaela, in my opinion is he doesn't have a high ceiling, I don't think he will offensively be much more than he is now.  He MIGHT BE!!! but probably not, and how much does a defensive wizard who you put in the back of your lineup get in FA? 

I don't think Rafaela would fetch that much, I actually find his extension a real head scratcher.  HOW he adds value isn't exactly an arbitration killer, there's a very good chance the Sox saved very little money with that extension in what now looks like a very crowded outfield. 

I like Rafaela, I like him a lot, I hope he's the starting center fielder for years to come.  But he strikes me as more of a take your 6 years and be done type of guy. (at least for now.)

[Bellhorn04]

45 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Does Rafaela have more or less trade value with the extension he signed? 

My guess is it would depend on which team you're talking to.  For a small market team that financial commitment might be a serious deterrent, depending on how much they like Rafaela.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

My guess is it would depend on which team you're talking to.  For a small market team that financial commitment might be a serious deterrent, depending on how much they like Rafaela.

It depends on Rafaela as well.

 

If he’s Kevin Kiermaier 2.0, the extension is likely helpful.  If he’s Kevin Pillar 2.0, maybe not so much..

[harmony]

Crazy talk of a proposed Red Sox trade over at a Seattle Mariner forum:

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9645

😁😁😁

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, harmony said:

Crazy talk of a proposed Red Sox trade over at a Seattle Mariner forum:

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9645

😁😁😁

I like a -50BTV for a Casas trade. Makes sense! Gilbert is better, but attaching Haniger's dead money is killing that trade for sure. Too bad that Gilbert's ERA jumped to 3.94 for away games in '24. 

[notin]

8 minutes ago, harmony said:

Crazy talk of a proposed Red Sox trade over at a Seattle Mariner forum:

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9645

😁😁😁

Extremely doubtful the Sox deal Casas straight up for Castillo, let alone take on Haniger as well.  If either team is adding a salary dump in that deal, it isn’t Seattle…

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I like a -50BTV for a Casas trade. Makes sense! Gilbert is better, but attaching Haniger's dead money is killing that trade for sure. Too bad that Gilbert's ERA jumped to 3.94 for away games in '24. 

The projections BTV is using say Castillo is a 2 WAR pitcher paid like a 3 WAR pitcher.  BTV also says a deal of Yoshida straight up for Castillo is an overpay by Boston.

 

However, I’d make that trade, overpay or not.  And I’d be willing to even take on Garver’s deadweight deal as well with no further additions…

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

The projections BTV is using say Castillo is a 2 WAR pitcher paid like a 3 WAR pitcher.  BTV also says a deal of Yoshida straight up for Castillo is an overpay by Boston.

 

However, I’d make that trade, overpay or not.  And I’d be willing to even take on Garver’s deadweight deal as well with no further additions…

Castillo is still a good pitcher, but he's not the guy he used to be if you look at Statcast and compare him to previous seasons. When he's away from Safeco, he becomes Kutter Crawford. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Castillo is still a good pitcher, but he's not the guy he used to be if you look at Statcast and compare him to previous seasons. When he's away from Safeco, he becomes Kutter Crawford. 

I’m a bigger Crawford supporter than most.  But this deal for Boston has to offset Castillo’s salary…

[notin]

So I looked at the Sox 40 man and Rule 5 eligible.  Once the free agents declare and the IL guys are added back on, the Sox have one spot on the 40 man (unless I miscounted, which I did).

On their list of Rule 5 players, there are only 3 players worth keeping - Fulmer, Dobbins and Jhostnixon Garcia.

There is a much bigger list of players on the 40 man that could be DFAd.  Starting with Mata, Booser, Horn, Bernardino and Wikelman.  Doubtful they DFA Booser and Bernardino, but any of the rest can go and likely clear waivers.  I see no potential roster crunch.

In fact, the Sox could DFA all of the listed players except Booser and BB and then make a Rule 5 pick…

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

So I looked at the Sox 40 man and Rule 5 eligible.  Once the free agents declare and the IL guys are added back on, the Sox have one spot on the 40 man (unless I miscounted, which I did).

On their list of Rule 5 players, there are only 3 players worth keeping - Fulmer, Dobbins and Jhostnixon Garcia.

There is a much bigger list of players on the 40 man that could be DFAd.  Starting with Mata, Booser, Horn, Bernardino and Wikelman.  Doubtful they DFA Booser and Bernardino, but any of the rest can go and likely clear waivers.  I see no potential roster crunch.

In fact, the Sox could DFA all of the listed players except Booser and BB and then make a Rule 5 pick…

I'm not so sure I'd even protect Jhostynxon. He's a good prospect, but didn't have really great success at AA. It's probably a year too early to protect him.

I think a bigger concern is do they protect Monegro? Is there a team that looks at him and just stashes him in their pen? 

Castro, Blaze, Gambrell and the others don't get protected. Dobbins does. 

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I'm not so sure I'd even protect Jhostynxon. He's a good prospect, but didn't have really great success at AA. It's probably a year too early to protect him.

I think a bigger concern is do they protect Monegro? Is there a team that looks at him and just stashes him in their pen? 

Castro, Blaze, Gambrell and the others don't get protected. Dobbins does. 

I wouldn’t protect Monegro.  Players in high A ball do get selected, but not very often and they get returned a lot.

I could see protecting Garcia, because the glove plays and makes him a viable 4th outfielder on some teams.  But the Sox might not care.  Maybe they think he’s another Cole Sturgeon.

Given how teams rely less on their starters these days, it’s no longer easy to hide a guy in the bullpen.  Especially if you’re trying to contend…

[moonslav59]

I'd protect JH Garcia and Monegro.

The interesting part about our 40 man roster situation is that 5 of our most ML ready prospects, right now, are NOT even Rule 5 eligible, this winter:

Anthony

Mayer

Campbell

Teel

Meidroth

We already added Fitts, Penrod & Guerrero. (Gasper, too, but he may be DFA'd or traded, especially if don't see him as a back-up catcher- something he did not di, when called up.)

[notin]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd protect JH Garcia and Monegro.

The interesting part about our 40 man roster situation is that 5 of our most ML ready prospects, right now, are NOT even Rule 5 eligible, this winter:

Anthony

Mayer

Campbell

Teel

Meidroth

We already added Fitts, Penrod & Guerrero. (Gasper, too, but he may be DFA'd or traded, especially if don't see him as a back-up catcher- something he did not di, when called up.)

Any combination of them might be added next season.  None of them will be added before the Rule 5 draft…

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Any combination of them might be added next season.  None of them will be added before the Rule 5 draft…

Exactly, and that makes decisions a little tougher, once the season starts. Any 60 Day Il players need to be added once the season starts, and not before, so that might be one way to "add" one or two to the 40.

The other thing is, none of these 5 will be added to the 40, until they are needed on the 26, and then none will be added to the 26 to "ride the bench," so basically, until we think one of these 4 or 5 are ready to start FT or very near FT, they will not even be on the 40. It's kind of interesting to have so many players like this, all at once.

We are not used to having prospects jump faster than their Rule 5 date.

Mayer & Meidroth are Rule 5 in DEC '26

Anthony, Campbell & Teel in DEC '27!

 

[moonslav59]

One area that has to be addressed, this winter, is the pen. We used a stunning 27 players in the pen- 25, if you throw out D Smith and P Reyes.

21 pitched 4+ IP, 15 pitched 13+ IP and 10 pitched 24+.

Only 9 pitched over 25 IP (all were over 42 IP.)

Many are no longer in the system or are out of team control. They are:

54.2 Jansen (2 in IP)

50.1 Anderson (5)

43.1 Martin (8)

14.1 L Garcia (13)

13.0 Sims  (15)

6.0 Pivetta, 4.0 Ueasawa, 3.2 R Hill, 2.1 Wingenter, 1.2 Jacques, 1.1 Y Ramirez.

So, throw out these 11 and the 2 everyday players that pitched and we are down to 14 returning pen arms, plus Hendriks, Fulmer and some prospects that may get a shot. Here is a look at each pitcher that may see time in the 2025 Sox pen:

Liam Hendriks: He will be 36 when the 2025 season starts. He led the league in saves in 2021 for the CWS. From 2019 to 2022, he had a 0,883 WHIP and 2.26 ERA in 239 IP (60 per season) Frankly, I'm sick and tired of hoping on pitchers returning from a long injury to return to form, but I'm pretty sure JH,  Brez, Baily & Co. will view him as our closer or top set-up man. As much as I'd love to see us add a solid, proven closer, it won't happen. Hoping we add a solid set-up man is likely a pipedream.

Justin Slaten: He might be the only pitcher in our system, right now that I have confidence in for high leverage situations and 60+ IP in 2025. His injury this year, may have been more impactful than others that got more press. His .578 OPS Against was second to only Jansen.

Garrett Whitlock: This is a guy I think can make a huge and positive impact on our pen, if we indeed use him exclusively from the pen, and he can stay healthy and give us 60+ IP. His OPS Against in his best years: .631 '21, .639 '22 and .616 '24. He could be anything from our closer, to our top set-up man or used as a 2-3 IP RP'er every 3-4 days.

To me, we have these 3 pitchers and then the rest are "depth." I'm fine  with expecting 3-4 to make the 26 as low to mid leverage pitchers, but the rest should be AAA depth or traded/let go.

Most likely to make 26: (IP in 2024 w ERA, WHIP & OPSA)

62 Weissert 3.21/ 1.36/ (most RP IP on Sox) I think they view him as having a very good chance at being in the opening day 8 man pen.

53 Winckowski 4.96/ 1.557/.757. He pitched much better in 2022 and 2023, so maybe that carries him to the opening day roster.

Michael Fulmer is very hard for me to project. I think they signed him thinking he was a sure bet for the 2025 roster, but too much is unknown for me to pencil him in for the opening day 26.

Hard to project:

SP'ers who may be used in middle/long relief roles and spot starters/openers: Fitts, Criswell, Priester and Dobbins. 

49 Kelly 4.39/ 1.347/ .690. He shows a lot of promise, but his 4.3 BB/9 was the worst on the staff.

47 Bernardino 4.37/ 1.458/ .752. He's one of our few LHP'ers and was very effective over the second half of 2023, and the first half of 2024 (.588 OPSA).

7 I Campbell 16.20/ 2.400/ 1.175. He showed a lot of promise with SEA, before being traded to the Sox for Urias. I'm not sure how much of his struggles were injury-related, but I think we have to view him as AAA depth to start the '25 season, unless he shows he is "in form."

9 Guerrero 0.00/ 0.889/.476. He was going to be Rule 5, this winter, so I think we just decided to add him, this summer. He is going to be on the 40, but I'm not sure about the 26 on opening day.

4 Penrod 2.25/ 1.750/ .667. I've never been very high on him, but he does have some real promise. I think he starts off in AAA.

Bubble Pitchers for even the 40 man roster: Cam Booser, Chris Murphy, Bryan Mata (out of options,) Bailey Horn and Chase Shugart and Wikelman Gonzalez.

AAA depth with very slim hopes of making the 40: Wyat Mills, Isaac Coffey (SP,) Shane Drohan (SP,) Grant Gambrell (SP,) Brendan Cellucci, David Sandlin (Rule 5 in DEC '25)

I'd like to see us add a closer, a good set-up man and a solid LH'd RP'er, but I'd be surprised if we add 2 proven RP'ers. I think we add a LH'd RP'er and a decent RP'er or two that just add to the mix. Only Mata is out of options, so we can keep a lot of these guys in the AAA pen and rotation as we guage who is the best to get the first shot at filling in a pen slot on the 26. I think we have enough RP'ers with promise to have enough pen depth, but we simply cannot count on Hendriks, Slaten, Whitlock as the only solid bets. I just can't see our pen being a plus with the other 5 slots all filled in by guys we currently have on the 40 and farm. 2, maybe 3 slots, okay, but not 4-5.

 

 

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

One area that has to be addressed, this winter, is the pen. We used a stunning 27 players in the pen- 25, if you throw out D Smith and P Reyes.

21 pitched 4+ IP, 15 pitched 13+ IP and 10 pitched 24+.

Only 9 pitched over 25 IP (all were over 42 IP.)

Many are no longer in the system or are out of team control. They are:

54.2 Jansen (2 in IP)

50.1 Anderson (5)

43.1 Martin (8)

14.1 L Garcia (13)

13.0 Sims  (15)

6.0 Pivetta, 4.0 Ueasawa, 3.2 R Hill, 2.1 Wingenter, 1.2 Jacques, 1.1 Y Ramirez.

So, throw out these 11 and the 2 everyday players that pitched and we are down to 14 returning pen arms, plus Hendriks, Fulmer and some prospects that may get a shot. Here is a look at each pitcher that may see time in the 2025 Sox pen:

Liam Hendriks: He will be 36 when the 2025 season starts. He led the league in saves in 2021 for the CWS. From 2019 to 2022, he had a 0,883 WHIP and 2.26 ERA in 239 IP (60 per season) Frankly, I'm sick and tired of hoping on pitchers returning from a long injury to return to form, but I'm pretty sure JH,  Brez, Baily & Co. will view him as our closer or top set-up man. As much as I'd love to see us add a solid, proven closer, it won't happen. Hoping we add a solid set-up man is likely a pipedream.

Justin Slaten: He might be the only pitcher in our system, right now that I have confidence in for high leverage situations and 60+ IP in 2025. His injury this year, may have been more impactful than others that got more press. His .578 OPS Against was second to only Jansen.

Garrett Whitlock: This is a guy I think can make a huge and positive impact on our pen, if we indeed use him exclusively from the pen, and he can stay healthy and give us 60+ IP. His OPS Against in his best years: .631 '21, .639 '22 and .616 '24. He could be anything from our closer, to our top set-up man or used as a 2-3 IP RP'er every 3-4 days.

To me, we have these 3 pitchers and then the rest are "depth." I'm fine  with expecting 3-4 to make the 26 as low to mid leverage pitchers, but the rest should be AAA depth or traded/let go.

Most likely to make 26: (IP in 2024 w ERA, WHIP & OPSA)

62 Weissert 3.21/ 1.36/ (most RP IP on Sox) I think they view him as having a very good chance at being in the opening day 8 man pen.

53 Winckowski 4.96/ 1.557/.757. He pitched much better in 2022 and 2023, so maybe that carries him to the opening day roster.

Michael Fulmer is very hard for me to project. I think they signed him thinking he was a sure bet for the 2025 roster, but too much is unknown for me to pencil him in for the opening day 26.

Hard to project:

SP'ers who may be used in middle/long relief roles and spot starters/openers: Fitts, Criswell, Priester and Dobbins. 

49 Kelly 4.39/ 1.347/ .690. He shows a lot of promise, but his 4.3 BB/9 was the worst on the staff.

47 Bernardino 4.37/ 1.458/ .752. He's one of our few LHP'ers and was very effective over the second half of 2023, and the first half of 2024 (.588 OPSA).

7 I Campbell 16.20/ 2.400/ 1.175. He showed a lot of promise with SEA, before being traded to the Sox for Urias. I'm not sure how much of his struggles were injury-related, but I think we have to view him as AAA depth to start the '25 season, unless he shows he is "in form."

9 Guerrero 0.00/ 0.889/.476. He was going to be Rule 5, this winter, so I think we just decided to add him, this summer. He is going to be on the 40, but I'm not sure about the 26 on opening day.

4 Penrod 2.25/ 1.750/ .667. I've never been very high on him, but he does have some real promise. I think he starts off in AAA.

Bubble Pitchers for even the 40 man roster: Cam Booser, Chris Murphy, Bryan Mata (out of options,) Bailey Horn and Chase Shugart and Wikelman Gonzalez.

AAA depth with very slim hopes of making the 40: Wyat Mills, Isaac Coffey (SP,) Shane Drohan (SP,) Grant Gambrell (SP,) Brendan Cellucci, David Sandlin (Rule 5 in DEC '25)

I'd like to see us add a closer, a good set-up man and a solid LH'd RP'er, but I'd be surprised if we add 2 proven RP'ers. I think we add a LH'd RP'er and a decent RP'er or two that just add to the mix. Only Mata is out of options, so we can keep a lot of these guys in the AAA pen and rotation as we guage who is the best to get the first shot at filling in a pen slot on the 26. I think we have enough RP'ers with promise to have enough pen depth, but we simply cannot count on Hendriks, Slaten, Whitlock as the only solid bets. I just can't see our pen being a plus with the other 5 slots all filled in by guys we currently have on the 40 and farm. 2, maybe 3 slots, okay, but not 4-5.

 

 

 

I think there’s a good chance Winckowski gets traded…

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

I think there’s a good chance Winckowski gets traded…

Me, too. He also had that spat and was demoted, early inn the season.

I think we trade Abreu, DHam and Wink for the best we can get.

[Randy Red Sox]

7 hours ago, notin said:

I think there’s a good chance Winckowski gets traded…

for a bag of GOOD quality used practice balls.

[Randy Red Sox]

7 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Me, too. He also had that spat and was demoted, early inn the season.

I think we trade Abreu, DHam and Wink for the best we can get.

TWO VERY GOOD  bags of used practice balls.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

TWO VERY GOOD  bags of used practice balls.

I think you way undervalue Abreu. The other two, I don't expect much back.

[Hugh2]

I’m not sure Garcia gets protected, I’m fairly certain he probably does not, this reminds me of the Gilberto Jimenz, discussion.  I was 100% certain he would not be protected with Garcia it’s more like 90%
 

hitters are a different animal than pitchers.  While both can work on things outside of live game action, position players really need their at bats vs. live pitching more than pitchers need to face hitters for their development.

because of that, pitchers can be stashed in bullpens, thrown into blowouts and continue working on their craft everyday.

a hitter can’t improve his craft sitting on the bench and taking batting practice in lieu of games the same way a pitcher can. A team can’t stash an offensive player on their roster.

There’s a very good chance he goes unclaimed. 
 

but I do think there’s a chance with him, unlike Jimenez who never took an at bat above A ball before being rule 5 eligible.  Garcia has 30 for whatever that’s worth.

[Hugh2]

I think Abreu gets you a decent reliever with control, maybe a back end starter with less control.

Hamilton and Wink hold value too, but I don’t think you can package all three up for something better.  All three are good candidate's to be traded, but not in the same deal.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I am for trading Abreu but I'd hate to see Duran including in any package.  He was the heart and soul of the team for much of the season and the most exciting player we have seen in a long time.  He went from a bad OF who took poor angles to a good OF through hard work, love this guy.