Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

There’s a pretty good chance Horn and Mata both get DFAd.  And I’m on the fence with Shugart…

Agreed. I see Horn, mata and gasper all being traded or DFA'd.

[notin]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Agreed. I see Horn, mata and gasper all being traded or DFA'd.

It’s hard to envision any team wanting to add any of these 3 over their own talent before the R5D…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

I didn’t realize this while adding his name, but Luis Robert had a .568 OPS vs LHP this past year.  If he keeps that up, he’s more problem than solution.  Taylor Ward, on the other hand, had a .879 OPS vs LHP.

I like the idea of sending Abreu to the Marlins for one of their SP.  BTV teams me he’s worth both of them, but I’d take either one (health pending).  Of course, this assumes Abreu fits whatever the Marlins’ plan is…

He was at .952 v LHPs in 2023 and is .880 career.

I'm not sure the 2024 number is who he is.

I'm not looking for adding an OF'er, even if we trade Abreu.

[moonslav59]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s hard to envision any team wanting to add any of these 3 over their own talent before the R5D…

The DFA is highly likely- not a trade.

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Agreed. I see Horn, mata and gasper all being traded or DFA'd.

Horn and Mata could be DFA'd. I think the Sox could swing a trade for Valdez. He still has some value somewhere. 

[mvp 78]

3/28 - 5/1: 98 PA's 452 OPS

5/30 - 7/6: 84 PA's 961 OPS

8/9 - on: 41 PA's 409 OPS

Just depends on if anyone believes in the 5/30-7/6 call up sample. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

3/28 - 5/1: 98 PA's 452 OPS

5/30 - 7/6: 84 PA's 961 OPS

8/9 - on: 41 PA's 409 OPS

Just depends on if anyone believes in the 5/30-7/6 call up sample. 

E Valdez had a very nice offensive run in the minors, for what that is worth. (He is a career .743 v RHPs in 320 PAs.)

To me, his only true worth might be as a platoon DH, and how many teams are putting that need on their winter wish list?

If we didn't have Yoshida, maybe an EValdez-Ref platoon would do well, but I don't think we will be trading Yoshida.

[dgalehouse]

1- Identify exactly what is needed to enable to team to compete with the best. ( This part is pretty obvious and not very difficult).  2- Determine which players out there could fill these needs and are available. ( Talent evaluation skills are needed here)  3- Have the skill and the guts to spend what it takes in money and/or prospects to acquire the needed players. ( Need cooperation from ownership here) 4- Get it done.  Dombrowski was very good at this. Bloom was not. We will soon find out whether or not Breslow is. The alternative is to hope that the prospects all blossom into stars and you build a championship team that way. That is always possible but very iffy. 

[moonslav59]

Taking on salary via trade is not something I envision happening, this winter, even though it can be a way to improve the team without needing a high return package. I came up with a list of some higher priced pitchers that could maybe help our team in 2025 or could be worth taking a chance on, if the other team took on some or most of Yoshida's contract.

One example might be trading Yoshida ($18M x 3) + Abreu for Musgrove at $20M x 3.

Here are some names and remaining contracts. I have no way of knowing if they are available, how healthy some are, of if we even want to take a chance on them. Most may not want Yoshida, even if the money evens out.

Gausman 22x 3, Bassitt 21 x1, Berrios 18.7 x 4, Luis Castillo 21.6 x 3

Rodon 27 x4, Stroman 18.5 x 2, Pablo Lopez 18.4 x 3, Sonny Gray 25 x 2, Darvish 18 x 4 (37 y/o)

Javier 12.8 x 3, Taillon 17 x 2, Mitch Keller 15.4 x 4, ERod 20 x 3, Freeland 12.9 x 2, R Ray 23 x 2

Mikolis 18.6 x 1, S Matz 11 x 1, T Anderson 13 x 1, Mahle 11 x 1, Nick Martinez 13 x 1

Closer: R Suarez 9.2 x 3

[notin]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

He was at .952 v LHPs in 2023 and is .880 career.

I'm not sure the 2024 number is who he is.

I'm not looking for adding an OF'er, even if we trade Abreu.

But Boston clearly is, or at least isn’t eliminating the option, as they have already talked to Tyler O’Neill

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Horn and Mata could be DFA'd. I think the Sox could swing a trade for Valdez. He still has some value somewhere. 

Does he?

He strikes me as the type of player most teams already have…

[moonslav59]

To me, Anthony was ML ready, this year, so I'm all for putting him in the OF day one, of the first day after we gain an extra year of control on him.

As much as I understand the need for a RH'd power bat, I don't see OF as the spot for that. I see a bottleneck, already.

LF: Duran, Refsnyder  (Yoshida DH) E Valdez

CF: Rafaela, Anthony, Duran

RF: Anthony, Abreu (Refsnyder DH) Sogard

[dgalehouse]

A jabroni is just a jabroni. There are hundreds of them.  Every team has some. Not much value there. 

[Bellhorn04]

Denny's Jabroni Metrics.  😁   

[Duran Is The Man]

8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Denny's Jabroni Metrics.  😁   

Jabremetrics

[notin]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

Jabremetrics

Is there a Like button?

How about a “I Would Spoon With This Comment” button?

[moonslav59]

No Options FA SP'ers:

* no QO possible

Shane Bieber (30)
Matthew Boyd (34)
Aaron Brooks (35)
Walker Buehler (30)
Corbin Burnes (30)
Carlos Carrasco (38)
Yonny Chirinos (31)
Mike Clevinger (34)
Alex Cobb (37)*

Patrick Corbin (35)*
Anthony DeSclafani (35)

Jack Flaherty (29)*
Chris Flexen (30)
Max Fried (31)
Domingo German (32)

Andrew Heaney (34)
Kyle Hendricks (35)

Yusei Kikuchi (34)*
Michael Lorenzen (33)*
Jordan Lyles (34)

John Means (32)
Frankie Montas (32)

Frankie Montas (32)
Charlie Morton (41)
Nick Pivetta (32)
Jose Quintana (36)
Joe Ross (32)
Max Scherzer (40)*
Luis Severino (31)
Mike Soroka (27)
Ross Stripling (35)
Spencer Turnbull (32)
Jose Ureña (33)
Justin Verlander (42)*
Trevor Williams (33)
Alex Wood (34)

[notin]

Trade for the starter.  Use free agency for relievers…

[Larry Cook]

Yoshida’s shoulder surgery makes trading him a lot more difficult for bres-slow. 
maybe he can spend most of 2025 on the 60 day DL. 

[mvp 78]

12 hours ago, notin said:

Is there a Like button?

How about a “I Would Spoon With This Comment” button?

Don't be gross. 

[notin]

9 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Yoshida’s shoulder surgery makes trading him a lot more difficult for bres-slow. 
maybe he can spend most of 2025 on the 60 day DL. 

Maybe once he is swinging pain-free, he’ll actually hit better…

[notin]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Don't be gross. 

Obviously not a fan of “Like” buttons…

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Maybe once he is swinging pain-free, he’ll actually hit better…

Maye once he has a different uniform on, he'll actually it better...

[mvp 78]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Obviously not a fan of “Like” buttons…

That was me throwing around my mod weight for the first time. 😤

You're on a short leash buster! If you post about your Caesar Puello body pillow, you're outta here!

[sk7326]

On 9/26/2024 at 12:03 PM, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Can't see a Story trade; he makes too much money for an MLB starting shortstop with a below-average bat. 

He's also the Red Sox' only solid player at a key spot which has been poorly handled by just about anyone else since Bogaerts left.

Even if Mayer is the goods, it doesn't make sense he'll break camp as the starting SS, without yet playing a single inning of Triple A.

A more feasible scenario instead is that Teel, Anthony and Campbell all make the parent club out of Florida next March -- and with Campbell as the starting second baseman, a veteran leader like Story makes too much sense as a mentor and stabilizing DP partner.

If Campbell doesn't make the majors in the Spring of '25 it will be a shock. A guy deemed as the one Minor League Player of the Year -- by professionals who watch and analyze ballplayers for a living -- has to be ready... not necessarily for instant stardom, but for the big leagues.

 

Yeah the contract probably makes trading hard - though it is not a crazy deal.  He was fine with the bat this year - more average than good, but the best in a while.  But he is a good player - if he can stay healthy I think he will be a solid 3 win player. 

[sk7326]

I'll play

C: Wong obviously has played well.  Maybe keep Teel at AAA and add some veteran flotsam.  At the same time, with Teel being a LHB, doing the platoon thing is fine.

1B: Casas is worth extending

2B: Grissom at least looked in September like a big league caliber something.  Campbell is fascinating, but he made such a leap so quickly keeping him at AAA is perfectly okay.

3B: Devers

SS: Story.  Probably can't trade him for a good return. But he had a solid season when he was healthy, and I do admire the leadership he showed actually working to come back this season.

CF: Rafaela.  Maybe he will learn how to take an extra pitch or two, but the defense in CF could be elite.

LF: Duran is a terrific player.  I'd be tempted to sell high though.  

RF: Could be Anthony.  Could be Abreu with a platoon partner.  Abreu is another guy I'd consider in trade.

SP: Honestly, my first call would be to Miami to see what it would take to land Sandy Alcantara.  Yes, he is coming off TJS but might be worth taking the plunge anyway.  His deal is good for a top starter.  The free agent crop for pitching is meh.  They can also look to the White Sox as well for Garret Crochet, but I am not sure there is a price match, unless they are willing to move Mayer. (and to me that is dependent on how the team views his medicals)

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

1B: Casas is worth extending

3B: Devers

CF: Rafaela.  Maybe he will learn how to take an extra pitch or two, but the defense in CF could be elite.

LF: Duran is a terrific player.  I'd be tempted to sell high though.  

SP: Honestly, my first call would be to Miami to see what it would take to land Sandy Alcantara.  Yes, he is coming off TJS but might be worth taking the plunge anyway.  His deal is good for a top starter.  The free agent crop for pitching is meh.  They can also look to the White Sox as well for Garret Crochet, but I am not sure there is a price match, unless they are willing to move Mayer. (and to me that is dependent on how the team views his medicals)

I think they'll continue to discuss an extension this offseason with Casas. We'll see if they get very far.

Nothing else to say about Devers? Must not be a very interesting player!

Rafaela will not learn to take an extra pitch or two anytime soon. He is what he is. He'll peak at 750 OPS IMO. We saw the good and the bad with him this year. He'll be better if just left in CF.

Alcantara is a good flier for potential ace. Crochet is probably too expensive still IMO. I'd be willing to move Mayer in a Crochet deal. Would Chicago rather Duran (you mentioned his potential trade availability)? 

[notin]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

That was me throwing around my mod weight for the first time. 😤

You're on a short leash buster! If you post about you're Caesar Puello body pillow, you're outta here!

It’s Cesar CRESPO!!  

Caesar Puello? Now who’s being gross?

[moonslav59]

I think MIA will hold off trading Alcantara, in hopes he rebounds and builds up his trade value by the deadline or next winter.

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I think they'll continue to discuss an extension this offseason with Casas. We'll see if they get very far.

Nothing else to say about Devers? Must not be a very interesting player!

Rafaela will not learn to take an extra pitch or two anytime soon. He is what he is. He'll peak at 750 OPS IMO. We saw the good and the bad with him this year. He'll be better if just left in CF.

Alcantara is a good flier for potential ace. Crochet is probably too expensive still IMO. I'd be willing to move Mayer in a Crochet deal. Would Chicago rather Duran (you mentioned his potential trade availability)? 

I’m not sure Chicago wants anyone with service time.  They dug down to A ball when they moved Fedde.

The White Sox do already have a top SS prospect in Colson Montgomery.  Not sure if that tempers interest in Mayer, but it probably wouldn’t..,