Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[mvp 78]

Rumor is he's holding out for a trade to LAD. 

[Larry Cook]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

With Arenado refusing the Astros trade, I wonder if we may have talks with STL, and no, not with Yoshida going to STL.

Apparently, STL was willing to pay $5M for each of the 3 remaining years. (COl is paying $5M for the next 2 years, each.)

If the number stayed the same, his cost would be:

$22M in 2025 ($20.5 AAV)

$17M in 2026 ($20.5 AAV)

$10M in 2027 ($10 AAV)

If we gave them Rafaela, the total money would be pretty close, but the AAV would be:

$14M in 2025 and 2026, and $3.5 in 2027, then a savings of about $6M/yr from 2028 to 2031`.

He'd greatly improve our defense, and the contract would still allow us to sign a pitcher and maybe TH and a pitcher, or sign TH and trade Abreu and Casas for a pitcher. (Throw in Wink! LOL)

 

Isn’t there a deferral part of arenado’s contract that whoever gets stuck with him at the expiration of the contract has to pay????

[drewski6]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

With Arenado refusing the Astros trade, I wonder if we may have talks with STL, and no, not with Yoshida going to STL.

Apparently, STL was willing to pay $5M for each of the 3 remaining years. (COl is paying $5M for the next 2 years, each.)

If the number stayed the same, his cost would be:

$22M in 2025 ($20.5 AAV)

$17M in 2026 ($20.5 AAV)

$10M in 2027 ($10 AAV)

If we gave them Rafaela, the total money would be pretty close, but the AAV would be:

$14M in 2025 and 2026, and $3.5 in 2027, then a savings of about $6M/yr from 2028 to 2031`.

He'd greatly improve our defense, and the contract would still allow us to sign a pitcher and maybe TH and a pitcher, or sign TH and trade Abreu and Casas for a pitcher. (Throw in Wink! LOL)

 

Hope not

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

Isn’t there a deferral part of arenado’s contract that whoever gets stuck with him at the expiration of the contract has to pay????

Could be, but part of the deal could be to make STL pay it off.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Hope not

At this point, I'm just throwing things at the wall.

Of course, the best plan is to just spend, and then spend some more.

Burnes or Flaherty

Bregman or Teoscar (maybe Santander)

If we can't get one of the above, get one plus Hoffman, Scott, Manaea or Estevez.

[Bellhorn04]

22 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Sure, especially with FSG pursuing and acquiring other businesses and growing their properties well beyond just Red Sox/Fenway - they operate from the business side first.

As opposed to Cohen, who is just a crazed fan with ultra deep pockets.

But when you operate from a business perspective first, that doesnt mean that you never spend/take-risks. It just means its more strategic / calculated.

Of course, they will open the vault again.  There are times to invest in your business and times to draw from it. Good business is not "always be cheap, never spend money: but its also not "spend , spend , spend, wins first, fans first"

Nice, you just summed up Cohen perfectly in 7 words!

He does have some baseball smarts too, as evidenced by getting a good CBO in Stearns. 

[moonslav59]

You wonder, if the Mets end up winning a ring, if cohen will seek a new shiny toy.

[notin]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You wonder, if the Mets end up winning a ring, if cohen will seek a new shiny toy.

Definitely.  For almost all of their 63 year existence, the Mets have failed to gain much notice in the New York media.  Cohen clearly wants to change that.  Getting Soto on its own was a big coup, but that he took him from the Yankees just makes it that much more significant.  I do not think he’s stopping there.  Not until he jumps ahead of the Yankees in the New York sports pages.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Nice, you just summed up Cohen perfectly in 7 words!

He does have some baseball smarts too, as evidenced by getting a good CBO in Stearns. 

What was smart about hiring Stearns is it shows Cohen knows his limitations.  He doesn’t want to be like that other famous New York baseball owner who frequently tried to run the show himself.

[Bellhorn04]

21 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You wonder, if the Mets end up winning a ring, if cohen will seek a new shiny toy.

I'd say he wants multi-rings, like every other crazed fan.  

[Randy Red Sox]

On 12/15/2024 at 6:22 PM, Bellhorn04 said:

When I said we couldn't outbid Cohen, I meant we couldn't outbid him without reaching an amount that was much crazier/stupider than John Henry would be willing to reach.  And that's exactly what happened.

But Steve Cohen didn't stop John Henry.  John Henry stopped John Henry.

I said the Red Sox only shot was if Soto really wanted to play for the Sox.  He was all about the money so we had no shot.

i am actually glad we did not get the money grubbing Soto. Looking forward to the arrival of Anthony.

[moonslav59]

Walker to HOU for $60M/3. (Exactly what MLBTR projected.)

PHI signs Kepler for $10M/1.

[Larry Cook]

16 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Walker to HOU for $60M/3. (Exactly what MLBTR projected.)

PHI signs Kepler for $10M/1.

Good signing for Houston. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Larry Cook said:

Good signing for Houston. 

He could have been a signing that balanced our line-up, had we gone ahead and traded Casas for pitching or made Casas the FT DH, and dumped Yoshida.

$60M/3, these days, seems like a steal.

[moonslav59]

Yanks sign Goldschmidt to $12.5M/1.

I doubt he does real well for them, as he turns 38, next September. He helps them from the right side, but has shown some serious decline on O, except for his career high season at age 34 in 2022:

OPS+

150 from 2013-2018 (ages 25-30)

115 at age 31

145 at 32

141 at 33

177 at 34 (Outlier?)

120 at 35

98 at 36, this season

[Duran Is The Man]

Rickey Henderson dead at 65.

[moonslav59]

R.I.P. Ricky Henderson

[moonslav59]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

R.I.P. Ricky Henderson

He is my age.

1 minute ago, Duran Is The Man said:

Rickey Henderson dead at 65.

 

[Tedballgame]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yanks sign Goldschmidt to $12.5M/1.

I doubt he does real well for them, as he turns 38, next September. He helps them from the right side, but has shown some serious decline on O, except for his career high season at age 34 in 2022:

OPS+

150 from 2013-2018 (ages 25-30)

115 at age 31

145 at 32

141 at 33

177 at 34 (Outlier?)

120 at 35

98 at 36, this season

I saw 11 Cardinal games in person last year. Goldschmidt isn't as good as he once was but he'll be as good once as he ever was. He will have his moments for the Yankees but he is a pull hitter. Yankee Stadium won't be that good for him

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

I saw 11 Cardinal games in person last year. Goldschmidt isn't as good as he once was but he'll be as good once as he ever was. He will have his moments for the Yankees but he is a pull hitter. Yankee Stadium won't be that good for him

The Yanks have really gone for older aged 1Bmen, of late.

Goldschmidt 37-38

Rizzo 31-35

LeMahieu has played some 1B at ages 34-36.

 

[Duran Is The Man]

41 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He is my age.

 

you got 6 years on me. way too young for Rickey. pneumonia is some bad s***.

[moonslav59]

Carlos Santana gets $12M/1 from CLE.

Wow!

[jdc69]

On 12/19/2024 at 7:30 PM, moonslav59 said:

At this point, I'm just throwing things at the wall.

Of course, the best plan is to just spend, and then spend some more.

Burnes or Flaherty

Bregman or Teoscar (maybe Santander)

If we can't get one of the above, get one plus Hoffman, Scott, Manaea or Estevez.

I vote for Teoscar. He was our initial aim, he isn't a Scott Boras client and he fills what we need without shuffling or trading anybody. Mainly its about Bregman being a Boras client though. It's not worth it.

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, jdc69 said:

I vote for Teoscar. He was our initial aim, he isn't a Scott Boras client and he fills what we need without shuffling or trading anybody. Mainly its about Bregman being a Boras client though. It's not worth it.

He does play LF or DH, a position we already have many that can play, but he's a good RHB, and it seems the LAD are not going to get into a bidding war for him.

To me, signing him would force a trade, but not in a bad way. We were likely going to trade Abreu, even if we did not add a RHB OF'er.

Sign Teoscar would mean...

LF Teoscar (Duran, Refsnyder)

CF Duran (Anthony)

RF Anthony (Campbell) assuming we trade Abreu for pitching or a catcher, or both.

Burnes and Teoscar would be very nice.

Flaherty, Teoscar and Estevez would be okay.

Teoscar and more Sandoval types falls way short.

[Behindenemylines]

The Crochet trade may put the Sox in the conversation of a wild card position in 2025, but a run at the AL East they still need a top of the rotation starter and a right handed bat with some power. The $$$$ are still there to sign Burns and Bregman, but Buehler or Flaherty and Hernandez works as well. I really think Buehler turned the corner in the playoffs and would not cost as much as Burns. Burns is still my first option, but Buehler with one of the right handed bat's and another piece for the bullpen works.

[Larry Cook]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Carlos Santana gets $12M/1 from CLE.

Wow!

Is he their version of holt??? Isn’t this the third time he has gone to them???

[moonslav59]

Jesus Luzardo to the Phillies via trade.

[notin]

On 12/21/2024 at 10:45 AM, moonslav59 said:

He could have been a signing that balanced our line-up, had we gone ahead and traded Casas for pitching or made Casas the FT DH, and dumped Yoshida.

$60M/3, these days, seems like a steal.

For a 34yo?  It’s fair value.  Not like Walker is 31…

[dgalehouse]

There is not all that much difference between most of the teams. It doesn't take a whole lot of improvement to make the expanded playoffs. The biggest reason for last year's failure was that they blew too many leads. That is demoralizing to the fans and probably ,to some extent, to the players as well. Work on improving the bullpen. Chapman is a start, but more needs to be done.  Hendriks could help. I like Guerrero. . Add a couple more fireballers.  Just having a deeper, stronger bullpen would make a big difference. And it wouldn't break the bank or " decimate the farm". 

[moonslav59]

38 minutes ago, notin said:

For a 34yo?  It’s fair value.  Not like Walker is 31…

Ok, he turns 34 like on opening day, but Walker has done better after 30 than before.

.767 up to 30

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