A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[moonslav59]

Grissom apparently is done with his Worcester rehab/spring training and will be up with the big club tomorrow. Cooper should also be added to the active roster, so two moves coming.

 

Finally, we get to see who this guy can be.

[mvp 78]

Finally, we get to see who this guy can be.

 

It might take a while to see what he can be.

[Bellhorn04]

Somebody has to say it: Slaten seems to have a good chance of supplanting Martin as the 8th inning guy.

[mvp 78]

@DanBFox1287

Chris Martin:

 

2023 K/9: 8.1

2024 K/9: 9.5

 

2023 BB/9: 1.4

2024 BB/9: 1.6

 

2023 FB Velcoity: 95.7

2024 FB Velocity: 94.9

 

2023 Whiff Rate: 23.3%

2024 Whiff Rate: 31.3%

 

2023 BABIP: .301

2024 BABIP: .406

 

This season is setting up a lot like 2022 for him. Rough start, strong finish IMO.

[mvp 78]

Somebody has to say it: Slaten seems to have a good chance of supplanting Martin as the 8th inning guy.

 

You think Slaten's 154 BABIP is likely to hold up? 0.55 ERA and 3.35 xFIP

[moonslav59]

He doesn't give up hard contact, doesn't walk anybody and doesn't throw a 4 seamer. That's a Breslow guy all day.

 

Exactly, and just because Joely got lit up a few times, too many, does not mean the theory behind these types of choices was/is wrong.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Somebody has to say it: Slaten seems to have a good chance of supplanting Martin as the 8th inning guy.

 

Depend on how many more starters go down. He's already got the stuff and length to be an opener, and then could get stretched out in one inning increments: three IP, four IP, five... golden rings...

 

More likely, Uwasawa is the next Criswell, and Slaten sets up Hendriks in the second half.

[moonslav59]

It might take a while to see what he can be.

 

Yes. "We can begin to see..." might have been a better choice of wording.

[Maxbialystock]

It might take a while to see what he can be.

 

Meanwhile, the Sox are paying a big part of Sale's salary while he has made 5 starts, 31 IP, and ERA 3.69 for the Braves. Have I got that right? Grissom for Sale, with the Sox paying Sale to pitch for Atlanta?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes. "We can begin to see..." might have been a better choice of wording.

 

Or: It has taken a while to see what he looks like.

[moonslav59]

Meanwhile, the Sox are paying a big part of Sale's salary while he has made 5 starts, 31 IP, and ERA 3.69 for the Braves. Have I got that right? Grissom for Sale, with the Sox paying Sale to pitch for Atlanta?

 

Yes, they are paying some of Sale's contract to pitch for ATL, and in return we got a recently graduated top 3 prospect from the ATL system- a guy with 6 years of team control.

 

The final judging of this trade has a long way to go.

[moonslav59]

Or: It has taken a while to see what he looks like.

 

29 games seems like nothing, compared to many other injured Sox players.

 

Have we forgotten how many games Sale missed?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

29 games seems like nothing, compared to many other injured Sox players.

 

Have we forgotten how many games Sale missed?

 

Come on, Sale was only MIA in Boston for HALF A DECADE

 

The difference with Mondesi -- I mean Paxton -- I mean Fulmer -- I mean Hendriks -- I mean GRISSOM... is that they were Red Sox a long time before Red Sox fans ever (if ever) saw them in Boston uniforms.

[Hugh2]

Somebody has to say it: Slaten seems to have a good chance of supplanting Martin as the 8th inning guy.

 

Oh, no one has said that yet?

 

Well I’m certain a lot of us are thinking it.

 

Sox have been nailing rule 5’s lately.

[notin]

Come on, Sale was only MIA in Boston for HALF A DECADE

 

The difference with Mondesi -- I mean Paxton -- I mean Fulmer -- I mean Hendriks -- I mean GRISSOM... is that they were Red Sox a long time before Red Sox fans ever (if ever) saw them in Boston uniforms.

 

Wade Miller questions his omission...

[notin]

Depend on how many more starters go down. He's already got the stuff and length to be an opener, and then could get stretched out in one inning increments: three IP, four IP, five... golden rings...

 

More likely, Uwasawa is the next Criswell, and Slaten sets up Hendriks in the second half.

 

Please no.

 

Someone needs to stay in the bullpen. Bullpens are important...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Wade Miller questions his omission...

 

My son has a Topps card of Collin McHugh in a Red Sox cap. Gonna assume the photo is airbrushed (not hairbrushed).

[notin]

Oh, no one has said that yet?

 

Well I’m certain a lot of us are thinking it.

 

Sox have been nailing rule 5’s lately.

 

Ryan Fernandez is off to a good start in St. Louis for his first 11 IP. Thad Ward is getting hit hard on the Nationals' AAA team.

 

I'd gladly take Whitlock and Slaten over Ward and Fernandez...

[notin]

My son has a Topps card of Collin McHugh in a Red Sox cap. Gonna assume the photo is airbrushed (not hairbrushed).

 

Well he was technically on the 2020 Red Sox. Pitched about as well as Sale did that year, too...

[Maxbialystock]

Yes, they are paying some of Sale's contract to pitch for ATL, and in return we got a recently graduated top 3 prospect from the ATL system- a guy with 6 years of team control.

 

The final judging of this trade has a long way to go.

 

According to spotrac, the Sox are paying Sale $17M this year. That's more than the total salaries, $14M, of the Sox original rotation--Bello, Pivetta, Crawford, Whitlock, and Houck--this season.

 

I have no doubt the Sox have 6 years of team control, but effectively right now they are paying Grissom $17M. Wasn't he selected in the 11th round? I know he looked very good at AAA last year.

[Maxbialystock]

Please no.

 

Someone needs to stay in the bullpen. Bullpens are important...

 

True. But starters can eat innings. Last year Pivetta started as a starter and went to the bullpen before finally returning as a starter. Crawford, Houck, and Whitlock all came from the Sox bullpen.

 

I do not have any good response to your point. In fact, I think you have nailed a key point about MLB managing.

[mvp 78]

Depend on how many more starters go down. He's already got the stuff and length to be an opener, and then could get stretched out in one inning increments: three IP, four IP, five... golden rings...

 

More likely, Uwasawa is the next Criswell, and Slaten sets up Hendriks in the second half.

 

Uwasawa was hit hard in AAA and pitched like a little leaguer in Spring Training. He'll most likely look more like a Bloom replacement.

[mvp 78]

Meanwhile, the Sox are paying a big part of Sale's salary while he has made 5 starts, 31 IP, and ERA 3.69 for the Braves. Have I got that right? Grissom for Sale, with the Sox paying Sale to pitch for Atlanta?

 

Who cares? He was only here for one more here. He's due to be injured at some point. Grissom has the potential to be a long term solution. Sale does not.

[mvp 78]

Or: It has taken a while to see what he looks like.

 

He will have missed one month. Not the end of the world considering what has happened to the rest of the squad.

[mvp 78]

Come on, Sale was only MIA in Boston for HALF A DECADE

 

The difference with Mondesi -- I mean Paxton -- I mean Fulmer -- I mean Hendriks -- I mean GRISSOM... is that they were Red Sox a long time before Red Sox fans ever (if ever) saw them in Boston uniforms.

 

A half a decade was about how long Sale spent on the IL here.

[mvp 78]

Ryan Fernandez is off to a good start in St. Louis for his first 11 IP. Thad Ward is getting hit hard on the Nationals' AAA team.

 

I'd gladly take Whitlock and Slaten over Ward and Fernandez...

 

Fernandez has a higher k rate and lower xFIP than Slaten.

[mvp 78]

According to spotrac, the Sox are paying Sale $17M this year. That's more than the total salaries, $14M, of the Sox original rotation--Bello, Pivetta, Crawford, Whitlock, and Houck--this season.

 

I have no doubt the Sox have 6 years of team control, but effectively right now they are paying Grissom $17M. Wasn't he selected in the 11th round? I know he looked very good at AAA last year.

 

No, they aren't.

[moonslav59]

According to spotrac, the Sox are paying Sale $17M this year. That's more than the total salaries, $14M, of the Sox original rotation--Bello, Pivetta, Crawford, Whitlock, and Houck--this season.

 

I have no doubt the Sox have 6 years of team control, but effectively right now they are paying Grissom $17M. Wasn't he selected in the 11th round? I know he looked very good at AAA last year.

 

Short-sighted.

 

This was about 6 years and a very hopeful shot at solving the 2B issue we have had for far too long.

 

Spread that $17M over 6 years and add Grissom's arb costs, and the money might look like a win.

 

Is when he was drafted more important than his ranking in their system?

[moonslav59]

A half a decade was about how long Sale spent on the IL here.

 

Yup. That's what he said.

[mvp 78]

Yup. That's what he said.

 

I was agreeing.