A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[mvp 78]

I'd add Benitez, Meidroth, Kavadas and maybe a non prospect like Luetge.

 

If they were comfortable with Meidroth at SS, he'd have a shot before Sogard IMO.

 

Benitez seems to have a good shot at joining the bullpen.

 

Kavadas may be stuck in AAA now that they got Cooper.

[moonslav59]

If they were comfortable with Meidroth at SS, he'd have a shot before Sogard IMO.

 

Benitez seems to have a good shot at joining the bullpen.

 

Kavadas may be stuck in AAA now that they got Cooper.

 

I was thinking he might be a better fit than Dalbec, since both Dalbec and Copper bat RH'd.

 

Dalbec being able to back-up 3B has been of value, recently, and we just cut reyes- the ther back-up 3Bman, but once Romy returns, maybe we DFA Dalbec, promote Romy and add Kavadas to the 40.

[Hugh2]

Fitts - maybe

Gambrell - maybe

Guerrero - maybe

 

All the other guys are either further away or are too one dimensional to add to the 40 man roster this year. They made a mistake in adding Hamilton to the 40 man last year and now they are stuck with using him. They shouldn't do the same thing with Hickey, Jordan or Yorke until they are forced to add them due to Rule 5 restrictions.

 

Sogard is really just an org guy. He's this year's Fitzy. Not sure if he get added.

 

I did say I wasn't saying these guys can or can't help us now or in the future.

 

I pretty much took guys on the top 40 who have to be added to the 40 man this december.

[moonslav59]

Is there any rula about how long a team can go with a full 40 man roster?

 

We are at 38, and have been under 40, for a while.

[notin]

Is there any rula about how long a team can go with a full 40 man roster?

 

We are at 38, and have been under 40, for a while.

 

No. The rules are all about who is on it (active roster, IL, bereavement list, paternity list, some minor leaguers) and how long a player can be on it without promotion (options). Apparently teams can handicap themselves with a smaller one.

 

The MLBPA probably allows this since minor leaguers on the 40 man don’t have to make the league minimum until they make the majors…

[moonslav59]

The Soxprospects podcast talked about this on their latest episode. Given the new Bailey/Breslow battery at the top of the organization and the good amount of depth they have on the position side in the farm system it makes sense that we may actually see a very pitch heavy draft this year.

 

That's quite the prediction given the recent trend.

 

I think this could happen, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Here is our recent scorecard:

 

Drafts (top 5 rounds):

2023: C, SS, SS, RHP, SS, SS, LHP, RHP

2022: SS, SS, OF, LHP, SS LHP (+3 pitchers round 6-8)

2021: SS, OF (did not sign), 2B, RHP, C

2020: 2B, 3B, LHP. LHP

Nobody drafted higher than 3rd round.

 

IFA highest Bonuses given:

2024:

T3

8th

9th

2023:

4th

5th

7th

2022:

8th

2021

4th

6th

7th

2020:

2nd

8th

9th

 

[notin]

I was thinking he might be a better fit than Dalbec, since both Dalbec and Copper bat RH'd.

 

Dalbec being able to back-up 3B has been of value, recently, and we just cut reyes- the ther back-up 3Bman, but once Romy returns, maybe we DFA Dalbec, promote Romy and add Kavadas to the 40.

 

Why would they DFA Dalbec when Romy gets healthy?

 

Romy Gonzalez is already on the 40 man roster. Dalbec has options. And, as noted before, they have two open slots on the 40 man anyway. Kavadas can be added at any time with no other moves made.

 

The DFA of Reyes was probably because they were through with him and/or he had fallen out of favor. They didn't need to DFA him; they must have wanted to...

[moonslav59]

Why would they DFA Dalbec when Romy gets healthy?

 

Romy Gonzalez is already on the 40 man roster. Dalbec has options. And, as noted before, they have two open slots on the 40 man anyway. Kavadas can be added at any time with no other moves made.

 

The DFA of Reyes was probably because they were through with him and/or he had fallen out of favor. They didn't need to DFA him; they must have wanted to...

 

Or demote him.

 

Romy can play SS or 3B, so we don't need Dalbec for back-up 3B. Now that Reyes is gone, we are light at 3B depth.

 

Maybe we add Romy to the 26, demote Dalbec and add Kavadas and or Meidroth to the 40.

 

I know you do not want more IF'ers on the 40, but with all the injuries and uncertainties, I think we add one.

[mvp 78]

I was thinking he might be a better fit than Dalbec, since both Dalbec and Copper bat RH'd.

 

Dalbec being able to back-up 3B has been of value, recently, and we just cut reyes- the ther back-up 3Bman, but once Romy returns, maybe we DFA Dalbec, promote Romy and add Kavadas to the 40.

 

It's just adding Kavadas solely because Casas is injured. If he's coming back in 2 months, you have Kavadas stuck on the 40 man in AAA thanks to the Sox current LH DH.

[mvp 78]

Or demote him.

 

Romy can play SS or 3B, so we don't need Dalbec for back-up 3B. Now that Reyes is gone, we are light at 3B depth.

 

Maybe we add Romy to the 26, demote Dalbec and add Kavadas and or Meidroth to the 40.

 

I know you do not want more IF'ers on the 40, but with all the injuries and uncertainties, I think we add one.

 

Why add players to the 40 man when you don't have to? Other guys will have to come off the IL at some point and push them off? Unless they are calling up Meidroth, there's no reason to add him.

[Hugh2]

I think this could happen, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Here is our recent scorecard:

 

Drafts (top 5 rounds):

2023: C, SS, SS, RHP, SS, SS, LHP, RHP

2022: SS, SS, OF, LHP, SS LHP (+3 pitchers round 6-8)

2021: SS, OF (did not sign), 2B, RHP, C

2020: 2B, 3B, LHP. LHP

Nobody drafted higher than 3rd round.

 

IFA highest Bonuses given:

2024:

T3

8th

9th

2023:

4th

5th

7th

2022:

8th

2021

4th

6th

7th

2020:

2nd

8th

9th

 

 

 

It's not just about QTY though, its largely going to be about money spent. Maybe the Sox go high school SS at 12 this year but save money and spread it around to pitchers with their 2-5th picks.

[notin]

Or demote him.

 

Romy can play SS or 3B, so we don't need Dalbec for back-up 3B. Now that Reyes is gone, we are light at 3B depth.

 

Maybe we add Romy to the 26, demote Dalbec and add Kavadas and or Meidroth to the 40.

 

I know you do not want more IF'ers on the 40, but with all the injuries and uncertainties, I think we add one.

 

They are clearly not in any rush to promote anyone from Worcester.

 

Valdez is likely demoted today once they officially activate Grissom. Hamilton will probably be demoted when Gonzalez is activated.

 

Cooper is really a bland journeyman, but will probably be the primary stopgap 1B until Casas returns or he plays himself out of the position. And given the leash Dalbec had with the role, that could be a while even if he struggles.

 

As for those last two 40 man roster spots, most likely they are monitoring the waiver wire for arms. I suppose they could claim Aaron Hicks and become the next team in line to realize this guy is just not going to ever play up to his potential. Or see who Houston DFAs today when they clear a spot for Joey Loperfido. (The Astros have a few borderline pitchers like Dylan Coleman, Blair Henley, Joel Kuhnel and Parker Mushinski that Breslow might like more than Houston does. But I suspect the Stros DFA INF Trey Cabbage, who is far less interesting beyond his cool name.)

[notin]

Why add players to the 40 man when you don't have to? Other guys will have to come off the IL at some point and push them off? Unless they are calling up Meidroth, there's no reason to add him.

 

I think Casas is the only player that would cause issues with the 40 man roster this season. Giolito, Story and Murphy are not coming back this year. I suspect Giolito and Murphy are probably both out until after the All Star break in 2025 (but will have to be added to the 40 man in November)..

[Hugh2]

I'm still confused as to why Bobby Dalbec is still on the roster. I get emergency depth and all that but as they've clearly shown you can just go out and get a guy like Garrett Cooper easily. He's a righty, I wonder if they can throw McGuire a first basemans mit and have him hit against some Righties. Might be able to piece together some decent production out of the position.

[mvp 78]

It's not just about QTY though, its largely going to be about money spent. Maybe the Sox go high school SS at 12 this year but save money and spread it around to pitchers with their 2-5th picks.

 

Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mvp 78]

They are clearly not in any rush to promote anyone from Worcester.

 

Valdez is likely demoted today once they officially activate Grissom. Hamilton will probably be demoted when Gonzalez is activated.

 

Cooper is really a bland journeyman, but will probably be the primary stopgap 1B until Casas returns or he plays himself out of the position. And given the leash Dalbec had with the role, that could be a while even if he struggles.

 

As for those last two 40 man roster spots, most likely they are monitoring the waiver wire for arms. I suppose they could claim Aaron Hicks and become the next team in line to realize this guy is just not going to ever play up to his potential. Or see who Houston DFAs today when they clear a spot for Joey Loperfido. (The Astros have a few borderline pitchers like Dylan Coleman, Blair Henley, Joel Kuhnel and Parker Mushinski that Breslow might like more than Houston does. But I suspect the Stros DFA INF Trey Cabbage, who is far less interesting beyond his cool name.)

 

Cooper is bland, but considering the lack of RHB, I think he sticks on the roster through the end of the year.

[mvp 78]

I think Casas is the only player that would cause issues with the 40 man roster this season. Giolito, Story and Murphy are not coming back this year. I suspect Giolito and Murphy are probably both out until after the All Star break in 2025 (but will have to be added to the 40 man in November)..

 

Giolito is saying that he's going to pitch this year...........

[mvp 78]

I'm still confused as to why Bobby Dalbec is still on the roster. I get emergency depth and all that but as they've clearly shown you can just go out and get a guy like Garrett Cooper easily. He's a righty, I wonder if they can throw McGuire a first basemans mit and have him hit against some Righties. Might be able to piece together some decent production out of the position.

 

Nobody else can backup 3B and Raffy isn't exactly Cal Ripken Jr over there.

[moonslav59]

Why add players to the 40 man when you don't have to? Other guys will have to come off the IL at some point and push them off? Unless they are calling up Meidroth, there's no reason to add him.

 

I get that. Don't add him, unless and until you know you will call him up, almost immediately.

 

I do think Kavadas might be a better hitter than Dalbec and could be on the 26 (1B), right now, and he bats LH'd.

 

I don't think meidroth plays over Romy (at SS or 3B back-up) but maybe DHam (at SS). If he's not seen as an upgrade on the 26, then it's not worth adding him- agreed.

[moonslav59]

They are clearly not in any rush to promote anyone from Worcester.

 

Valdez is likely demoted today once they officially activate Grissom. Hamilton will probably be demoted when Gonzalez is activated.

 

Cooper is really a bland journeyman, but will probably be the primary stopgap 1B until Casas returns or he plays himself out of the position. And given the leash Dalbec had with the role, that could be a while even if he struggles.

 

As for those last two 40 man roster spots, most likely they are monitoring the waiver wire for arms. I suppose they could claim Aaron Hicks and become the next team in line to realize this guy is just not going to ever play up to his potential. Or see who Houston DFAs today when they clear a spot for Joey Loperfido. (The Astros have a few borderline pitchers like Dylan Coleman, Blair Henley, Joel Kuhnel and Parker Mushinski that Breslow might like more than Houston does. But I suspect the Stros DFA INF Trey Cabbage, who is far less interesting beyond his cool name.)

 

Yes, I think the last two additions will be waiver pick-ups.

 

Do we have a time limit on when we need to fill 40 man slots?

[moonslav59]

Giolito is saying that he's going to pitch this year...........

 

That would be something interesting. No way should we rush him back. We need to salvage some value in 2025.

[mvp 78]

I get that. Don't add him, unless and until you know you will call him up, almost immediately.

 

I do think Kavadas might be a better hitter than Dalbec and could be on the 26 (1B), right now, and he bats LH'd.

 

I don't think meidroth plays over Romy (at SS or 3B back-up) but maybe DHam (at SS). If he's not seen as an upgrade on the 26, then it's not worth adding him- agreed.

 

Romy can field any position except for C and has hit the ball much better in MiLB than Meidroth has. Meidroth still needs to show that he can handle AAA for a longer period than just one month. If Meidroth can't backup SS, I don't see the point of him on this team right now.

 

Kavadas is superfluous. He can't platoon with Casas or the starting DH. He can't be moved to any other position.

[mvp 78]

Yes, I think the last two additions will be waiver pick-ups.

 

Do we have a time limit on when we need to fill 40 man slots?

 

No.

[mvp 78]

That would be something interesting. No way should we rush him back. We need to salvage some value in 2025.

 

The Sox aren't attempting to rush him back. He was just saying how great he feels and he was aiming to pitch this season. He had the Story procedure, not the full TJS.

[moonslav59]

The Sox aren't attempting to rush him back. He was just saying how great he feels and he was aiming to pitch this season. He had the Story procedure, not the full TJS.

 

Yes. Agreed.

 

I hope doesn't rush himself too much and have a setback.

[moonslav59]

No.

 

I would think there would be, so players get paid at MLB rates, even if just for a short time, and not MiLB rates.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Giolito is saying that he's going to pitch this year...........

 

Horseshoes? Should be back by the 4th of July... back yard cook-out, that is.

[moonslav59]

Romy can field any position except for C and has hit the ball much better in MiLB than Meidroth has. Meidroth still needs to show that he can handle AAA for a longer period than just one month. If Meidroth can't backup SS, I don't see the point of him on this team right now.

 

Kavadas is superfluous. He can't platoon with Casas or the starting DH. He can't be moved to any other position.

 

Casas isn't here- Cooper is. He has somewhat noticeable splits and could possibly be platooned or partially platooned at 1B with Kavadas.

 

Career:

.757 v RHPs (.666 in '23)

.813 v LHPs (.904 in '23)

 

I'm not saying I'm convinced he'd be an upgrade over Dalbec at 1B, and he can't back up Devers at 3B, so maybe it's not a good idea, but Kavadas would bring some selected value to the 26, if he can hit RHP'er better.

[moonslav59]

Horseshoes? Should be back by the 4th of July... back yard cook-out, that is.

 

Here in Sugar Land, TX, it's already too hot for horseshoes- most days.

[Maxbialystock]

Here in Sugar Land, TX, it's already too hot for horseshoes- most days.

 

I'll bet. I took a couple of business trips to Houston and found out they do the same thing in hot weather that Montreal does in cold weather--facilitate walking indoors.