Chris Sale traded to Braves

[Duran Is The Man]

Pretty good data-based article on why the Braves thought Sale was worth taking a chance on.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-sale-trade-three-stats-that-show-why-braves-are-taking-chance-on-veteran-lefty/

 

they traded him for spite. the end.

[Old Red]

they traded him for spite. the end.

 

Trade him? They pretty much gave him away.

[Duran Is The Man]

Trade him? They pretty much gave him away.

 

technically, it was a trade. but yeah. and for a team that needed starting pitching worse than a middle infielder. it was beyond f***ing stupid.

[Old Red]

technically, it was a trade. but yeah. and for a team that needed starting pitching worse than a middle infielder. it was beyond f***ing stupid.

 

It’s definitely turned out that way so far.

[notin]

Pretty good data-based article on why the Braves thought Sale was worth taking a chance on.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/chris-sale-trade-three-stats-that-show-why-braves-are-taking-chance-on-veteran-lefty/

 

Like I have been saying about Sale for years - his issue isn’t talent…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Braves could lose 20 in a row, go into sell mode, and give Sale back to the Red Sox and it wouldn't matter. On the flight back to Boston, turbulence would cause him to hit his head on the overhead rack, and he'd miss the entire second half with a concussion.

 

And the turbulence wouldn't even come from storms or angry birds -- just indigestion from a passenger sitting in front of Chris.

[notin]

The Braves could lose 20 in a row, go into sell mode, and give Sale back to the Red Sox and it wouldn't matter. On the flight back to Boston, turbulence would cause him to hit his head on the overhead rack, and he'd miss the entire second half with a concussion.

 

And the turbulence wouldn't even come from storms or angry birds -- just indigestion from a passenger sitting in front of Chris.

 

Of course Sale wouldn’t get injured by Angry Birds. That’s more of a David Price thing…

[moonslav59]

Like I have been saying about Sale for years - his issue isn’t talent…

 

No doubt, although even when pitching over the last 4 years, he rarely looked like vintage Sale.

[notin]

No doubt, although even when pitching over the last 4 years, he rarely looked like vintage Sale.

 

Or for most of 2019. That’s why this bounce back has only been predicted by pessimists and liars…

[Old Red]

Or for most of 2019. That’s why this bounce back has only been predicted by pessimists and liars…

 

Still spewing the same old crap. A change of scenery, a better team, good health, and bingo a CY type performance so far from Sale. It really wasn’t that hard to see that coming. It still puzzles, and bothers you for some reason, but then that’s not surprising at all.🙈🤭

[notin]

Still spewing the same old crap. A change of scenery, a better team, good health, and bingo a CY type performance so far from Sale. It really wasn’t that hard to see that coming. It still puzzles, and bothers you for some reason, but then that’s not surprising at all.

 

From a guy who said he didn’t mind seeing Sale go but thought the Sox overpaid to have him gone. Now see there nothing wrong with that particular criticism. But now you keep fabricating this “prediction” that it was easy to see Sale bouncing back. Just like you kept fabricating s*** I said just so you could taunt me…

[Old Red]

From a guy who said he didn’t mind seeing Sale go but thought the Sox overpaid to have him gone. Now see there nothing wrong with that particular criticism. But now you keep fabricating this “prediction” that it was easy to see Sale bouncing back. Just like you kept fabricating s*** I said just so you could taunt me…

 

Taunt you? Wha, wha, wha. True I said I didn’t mind seeing Sale go, and I also said I didn’t like paying the Braves $17M, and I still don’t, and I also said I thought Sale would stay healthy, and have a good year with the Braves being a better team. All is true, and this has been gone over 100 times already. Once again post 333 has been mentioned more than once, so you can stick to your fabrication story all you want, and also your so called taunting. You know like BA, highlights, and box scores, and many more. The pot calling the kettle black. OMG.

[notin]

Taunt you? Wha, wha, wha. True I said I didn’t mind seeing Sale go, and I also said I didn’t like paying the Braves $17M, and I still don’t, and I also said I thought Sale would stay healthy, and have a good year with the Braves being a better team. All is true, and this has been gone over 100 times already. Once again post 333 has been mentioned more than once, so you can stick to your fabrication story all you want, and also your so called taunting. You know like BA, highlights, and box scores, and many more. The pot calling the kettle black. OMG.

 

Post 333 mentions nothing of the sort and was a result of an argument between you and Hugh. If you’re going to be that guy who likes calling other peoples suggestions wrong, you really need to be more accurate about your own stuff.

 

Still think I was wrong for wanting Houck and Crawford extended?

[Old Red]

Post 333 mentions nothing of the sort and was a result of an argument between you and Hugh. If you’re going to be that guy who likes calling other peoples suggestions wrong, you really need to be more accurate about your own stuff.

 

Still think I was wrong for wanting Houck and Crawford extended?

 

Post 135 on the Red Sox Gio thread. Read it, and weep.

[Old Red]

Post 333 mentions nothing of the sort and was a result of an argument between you and Hugh. If you’re going to be that guy who likes calling other peoples suggestions wrong, you really need to be more accurate about your own stuff.

 

Still think I was wrong for wanting Houck and Crawford extended?

 

Post 135 on the Red Sox sign Gio thread. Fabrication MA.

[notin]

Post 135 on the Red Sox sign Gio thread. Fabrication MA.

 

At least on that one you did say something to that effect.

 

“Sale is getting a fresh start with a new good team, and I just think he will end up having a good year. If you don’t like I’m hoping, and predicting that Sale with have a healthy, and good 2024, which obviously you don’t then TDB.”

 

 

Of course I will have to deduct points because once again you went and made up something that I’ve never said. I’ve made zero predictions about Sale this year, and only that I understood why they got frustrated with his last 4 years.

 

Probably should deduct more points for bring happy the Sox dealt a player you thought would be good. But I suppose no one expects you to actually be consistent and logical…

[Old Red]

At least on that one you did say something to that effect.

 

“Sale is getting a fresh start with a new good team, and I just think he will end up having a good year. If you don’t like I’m hoping, and predicting that Sale with have a healthy, and good 2024, which obviously you don’t then TDB.”

 

 

Of course I will have to deduct points because once again you went and made up something that I’ve never said. I’ve made zero predictions about Sale this year, and only that I understood why they got frustrated with his last 4 years.

 

Probably should deduct more points for bring happy the Sox dealt a player you thought would be good. But I suppose no one expects you to actually be consistent and logical…

You can deduct all the points you want, but bottom line is I predicted what I said I predicted, and it was NO Fabrication like you wanted it to be. I knew 100% I had said, but I couldn’t find it before.

[Dipre]

You predict everything negatively. You have to be right a certain amount of the time. If someone goes through every sewer's s***** water looking for golden rings on a daily basis, eventually they'll find some, but that doesn't alter the fact that they're swimming through turds.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Still possible that Grissom will be needed here. 1. Can Hamilton hit enough to start at 2b? 2. Can Valdez field enough to start at 2b (to go along with his 88 OPS+)? 3. Are Yorke or Meidroth ready or do they need more time? Campbell can play 2b but the Red Sox aren't going to rush him, a stud prospect.

 

If Grissom can get and stay healthy, and live up to his profile, he would be an excellent addition to this team and a major upgrade over what they have now.

[Bellhorn04]

Still possible that Grissom will be needed here. 1. Can Hamilton hit enough to start at 2b? 2. Can Valdez field enough to start at 2b (to go along with his 88 OPS+)? 3. Are Yorke or Meidroth ready or do they need more time? Campbell can play 2b but the Red Sox aren't going to rush him, a stud prospect.

 

If Grissom can get and stay healthy, and live up to his profile, he would be an excellent addition to this team and a major upgrade over what they have now.

 

That feels like a pretty large heap of ifs right now. Grissom has 2 IL stints and a -0.9 fWAR in the time he played. Not sure many would rather see him than Hamilton.

[Dipre]

Every young player in the history of this sport has been a heap of ifs.

[Bellhorn04]

Every young player in the history of this sport has been a heap of ifs.

 

The problem with Grissom is that we're now at the stage that every game matters and they don't really have the luxury of trying to ease him back in. The only thing that would create an opening for him is injuries. The guys we have for second now are not stars, but they've been contributing.

[Dipre]

The problem with Grissom is that we're now at the stage that every game matters and they don't really have the luxury of trying to ease him back in. The only thing that would create an opening for him is injuries. The guys we have for second now are not stars, but they've been contributing.

 

Sure. But even if he doesn't pan out this year, he's 23 and has plenty of time to right the ship unless they completely give up on him. The tools are there.

[Maxbialystock]

Sure. But even if he doesn't pan out this year, he's 23 and has plenty of time to right the ship unless they completely give up on him. The tools are there.

 

He can maybe right his own little ship, but he sure ain't righting the Sox ship. That's already being done by the likes of Rafaela, Hamilton, Gonzalez, and Valdez.

 

And let's not forget that standing in the wings are three pretty good middle infielders: Trevor Story, Marcelo Mayer, and Kristian Campbell.

 

Grissom had a very nice 41 games, 1/4 of a season, two years ago with the Braves. Since then he's played 46 games with the Sox and been terrible--and that's without getting into his persistent problem with his hammies.

 

And to get Grissom, the Sox not only gave away Chris Sale, but are paying $17M of his salary with the Braves, where he is their ace. There is no way, no how that scale balances out. In fact, it's kind of on par with signing Giolito for $38M for 2 years, who is already missing all of this year with next season somewhat in doubt.

 

The good news is that the 2024 Sox, especially the pitching, have prevailed. If ever there was a time to screw up an acquisition like Grissom--or Giolito--this was the year to do it. Neither is missed.

[mvp 78]

You predict everything negatively. You have to be right a certain amount of the time. If someone goes through every sewer's s***** water looking for golden rings on a daily basis, eventually they'll find some, but that doesn't alter the fact that they're swimming through turds.

 

Someone has been playing Morrowind again, I see.

[Old Red]

He can maybe right his own little ship, but he sure ain't righting the Sox ship. That's already being done by the likes of Rafaela, Hamilton, Gonzalez, and Valdez.

 

And let's not forget that standing in the wings are three pretty good middle infielders: Trevor Story, Marcelo Mayer, and Kristian Campbell.

 

Grissom had a very nice 41 games, 1/4 of a season, two years ago with the Braves. Since then he's played 46 games with the Sox and been terrible--and that's without getting into his persistent problem with his hammies.

 

And to get Grissom, the Sox not only gave away Chris Sale, but are paying $17M of his salary with the Braves, where he is their ace. There is no way, no how that scale balances out. In fact, it's kind of on par with signing Giolito for $38M for 2 years, who is already missing all of this year with next season somewhat in doubt.

 

The good news is that the 2024 Sox, especially the pitching, have prevailed. If ever there was a time to screw up an acquisition like Grissom--or Giolito--this was the year to do it. Neither is missed.

Good post Max. The Sox have 3 more years of Story’s contract, and unless the Red Sox can unload that, and if one of these years he stays healthy he’ll either be the 2B, or SS until Mayer gets there. Grissom hasn’t had much of an opportunity, but the opportunity he’s had he’s pretty much sucked, and now others have been given a chance, and produced at least with the bat.

[mvp 78]

Still possible that Grissom will be needed here. 1. Can Hamilton hit enough to start at 2b? 2. Can Valdez field enough to start at 2b (to go along with his 88 OPS+)? 3. Are Yorke or Meidroth ready or do they need more time? Campbell can play 2b but the Red Sox aren't going to rush him, a stud prospect.

 

If Grissom can get and stay healthy, and live up to his profile, he would be an excellent addition to this team and a major upgrade over what they have now.

 

Yorke has all of 25 games in AAA. If you combine his AA and AAA stats, his OPS is under 800 for the season. Not sure why people think the Sox would move him up to BOS if there wasn't an emergency. In WOO, he's played 18 G at 2B and 7 in LF. His defense at 2B is still average to below average.

[mvp 78]

The problem with Grissom is that we're now at the stage that every game matters and they don't really have the luxury of trying to ease him back in. The only thing that would create an opening for him is injuries. The guys we have for second now are not stars, but they've been contributing.

 

I think they'd be best to let him get back to 100% in AAA this time around. Seems like he was rushed to BOS out of necessity before.

[Old Red]

You predict everything negatively. You have to be right a certain amount of the time. If someone goes through every sewer's s***** water looking for golden rings on a daily basis, eventually they'll find some, but that doesn't alter the fact that they're swimming through turds.

 

You worry more that something is predicted negatively than if it is predicted correctly. If it’s predicted correctly whose fault is that? All I heard ALL offseason was negativity,negativity after negativity with the most vocal yelling sham, sham, sham at the top of his lungs. I on the other hand was one of the few voices of reason, and kept saying wait to see what things look like on March 28th, and then see how things work out from there. The sham, sham, sham was a sham, and I would say things have worked out pretty well. It sounds like you like going through s***** water to find what you are looking for, or at least hoping to find even if it’s not there. That adds nothing to any conversation.

[Dipre]

You worry more that something is predicted negatively than if it is predicted correctly. If it’s predicted correctly whose fault is that? All I heard ALL offseason was negativity,negativity after negativity with the most vocal yelling sham, sham, sham at the top of his lungs. I on the other hand was one of the few voices of reason, and kept saying wait to see what things look like on March 28th, and then see how things work out from there. The sham, sham, sham was a sham, and I would say things have worked out pretty well. It sounds like you like going through s***** water to find what you are looking for, or at least hoping to find even if it’s not there. That adds nothing to any conversation.

 

Red, talking with you is very much going through s***** water indeed.