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Red, talking with you is very much going through s***** water indeed.

 

Very simple solution is to not talk to me, or answer any of my post. Seems like you have a big need to do so. ORDS.

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Still possible that Grissom will be needed here. 1. Can Hamilton hit enough to start at 2b? 2. Can Valdez field enough to start at 2b (to go along with his 88 OPS+)? 3. Are Yorke or Meidroth ready or do they need more time? Campbell can play 2b but the Red Sox aren't going to rush him, a stud prospect.

 

If Grissom can get and stay healthy, and live up to his profile, he would be an excellent addition to this team and a major upgrade over what they have now.

 

It is a bit amazing to me how many people think Grissom is no longer needed, because 2b and SS will be filled by a cast of characters who were question marks as recently as May or are currently in the same prospect boat Grissom is in...

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It is a bit amazing to me how many people think Grissom is no longer needed, because 2b and SS will be filled by a cast of characters who were question marks as recently as May or are currently in the same prospect boat Grissom is in...

 

They are a cast of characters, and a patchwork at best, but the team is winning, in the postseason at the moment, and all have produced, and contributed to that winning.

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The problem with Grissom is that we're now at the stage that every game matters and they don't really have the luxury of trying to ease him back in. The only thing that would create an opening for him is injuries. The guys we have for second now are not stars, but they've been contributing.

 

There is a good chance one or two of them stop contributing. Hamilton has not hit for a while. Valdez is certainly far from a guarantee. At what point do we start recognizing these guys plus Rafaela might not be the new version of Whitaker and Trammell?

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They are a cast of characters, and a patchwork at best, but the team is winning, in the postseason at the moment, and all have produced, and contributed to that winning.

 

The Sox are riding some offensive hot streaks from this crowd. Rafaela is decent at SS, but leaves room for improvement there. Valdez couldn't catch a cold if he was naked in Norway. Hamilton is simply not passing as a shortstop.

 

Grissom might not be the answer, at least not in 2024. But there is definitely a question worth asking here.

 

This is why I think the sox need a good defensive SS (Paul DeJong?) to lock down the infield. Valdez can be demoted. Dalbec DFAd.

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The Sox are riding some offensive hot streaks from this crowd. Rafaela is decent at SS, but leaves room for improvement there. Valdez couldn't catch a cold if he was naked in Norway. Hamilton is simply not passing as a shortstop.

 

Grissom might not be the answer, at least not in 2024. But there is definitely a question worth asking here.

 

This is why I think the sox need a good defensive SS (Paul DeJong?) to lock down the infield. Valdez can be demoted. Dalbec DFAd.

 

And people keep penciling Story in for playing time in the future, but we've seen that he's spent considerable time on the bench since he's been here. It's more likely that will be the case going forward.

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And people keep penciling Story in for playing time in the future, but we've seen that he's spent considerable time on the bench since he's been here. It's more likely that will be the case going forward.

 

Atlanta minor league execs are already looking at their levels for other former high-ranked prospects whose stock has dropped to offer Breslow for Story next winter.

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Atlanta minor league execs are already looking at their levels for other former high-ranked prospects whose stock has dropped to offer Breslow for Story next winter.

 

Done.

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And people keep penciling Story in for playing time in the future, but we've seen that he's spent considerable time on the bench since he's been here. It's more likely that will be the case going forward.

 

Depth is a good thing. Not sure why so many fans think it isn’t…

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There is a good chance one or two of them stop contributing. Hamilton has not hit for a while. Valdez is certainly far from a guarantee. At what point do we start recognizing these guys plus Rafaela might not be the new version of Whitaker and Trammell?

 

There's also a reasonable chance Grissom will stink again if they plug him back in.

 

In the meantime, we might as well all keep guessing our asses off.

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The Sox are riding some offensive hot streaks from this crowd. Rafaela is decent at SS, but leaves room for improvement there. Valdez couldn't catch a cold if he was naked in Norway. Hamilton is simply not passing as a shortstop.

 

Grissom might not be the answer, at least not in 2024. But there is definitely a question worth asking here.

 

This is why I think the sox need a good defensive SS (Paul DeJong?) to lock down the infield. Valdez can be demoted. Dalbec DFAd.

 

I agree with everything. See it’s that easy.

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And people keep penciling Story in for playing time in the future, but we've seen that he's spent considerable time on the bench since he's been here. It's more likely that will be the case going forward.

 

They keep penciling Story in, because of that contract, and, because he is a good defensive 2B/SS. I think like Sale he needs a change of scenery. How that could be accomplished is another matter.

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They keep penciling Story in, because of that contract, and, because he is a good defensive 2B/SS. I think like Sale he needs a change of scenery. How that could be accomplished is another matter.

 

Or like Sale he needs a change of injury luck.

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There's also a reasonable chance Grissom will stink again if they plug him back in.

 

In the meantime, we might as well all keep guessing our asses off.

 

No one says Grissom is a guarantee. But plenty have said we don’t need him anymore because Story, Hamilton, Mayer, Valdez, etc. Of course that same cast of characters was here before Grissom and kept us all guessing then.

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No one says Grissom is a guarantee. But plenty have said we don’t need him anymore because Story, Hamilton, Mayer, Valdez, etc. Of course that same cast of characters was here before Grissom and kept us all guessing then.

 

I don't think many have said to DFA Grissom. Just that his chances of contributing in 2024 seem slim at this point. A .367 OPS and a recurring hamstring injury do tend to make you fall out of favor.

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Agree, and that’s why I said a change of scenery may do that.

 

Of course Max keeps pointing out the Braves are giving Sale additional rest days. I can’t find evidence of that despite his slightly lower GS. But if that is the case in Atlanta, it should change the narrative here, since Boston doesn’t have the starter depth to accommodate him the same way…

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I don't think many have said to DFA Grissom. Just that his chances of contributing in 2024 seem slim at this point. A .367 OPS and a recurring hamstring injury do tend to make you fall out of favor.

 

He might not contribute this year. Luckily a few guys who couldn’t contribute last year have stepped up…

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Of course Max keeps pointing out the Braves are giving Sale additional rest days. I can’t find evidence of that despite his slightly lower GS. But if that is the case in Atlanta, it should change the narrative here, since Boston doesn’t have the starter depth to accommodate him the same way…

 

Atlanta's schedule has somehow allowed all of their starters to have extra rest days.

 

If Sale pitches 3 innings tonight he will lead their rotation in innings.

 

He hasn't been treated differently from their other starters.

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Of course Max keeps pointing out the Braves are giving Sale additional rest days. I can’t find evidence of that despite his slightly lower GS. But if that is the case in Atlanta, it should change the narrative here, since Boston doesn’t have the starter depth to accommodate him the same way…

 

Dude...

 

https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/braves-dispatch-extra-rest-for-reynaldo-lopez-and-chris-sale-has-been-big-win/Z6DM4WEPUZCT7D6MBGSGUJIV6M/

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Of course Max keeps pointing out the Braves are giving Sale additional rest days. I can’t find evidence of that despite his slightly lower GS. But if that is the case in Atlanta, it should change the narrative here, since Boston doesn’t have the starter depth to accommodate him the same way…

Sales last 5 starts had been 6-7 days apart, but I don’t know if that’s the schedule, or not. He pitches tonight on the 5th day.

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Atlanta's schedule has somehow allowed all of their starters to have extra rest days.

 

If Sale pitches 3 innings tonight he will lead their rotation in innings.

 

He hasn't been treated differently from their other starters.

 

Sale hasn’t started on regular rest all season. He’s had at least one extra day in all of his turns through the rotation.

 

They've used a 6 man rotation whenever they've had more than 5 games in a row. They make sure all their starters get an extra day of rest.

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Sale hasn’t started on regular rest all season. He’s had at least one extra day in all of his turns through the rotation.

 

They've used a 6 man rotation whenever they've had more than 5 games in a row. They make sure all their starters get an extra day of rest.

 

As fate would have it, he's pitching tonight on 4 days rest.

 

He also pitched May 1 on 4 days rest.

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As fate would have it, he's pitching tonight on 4 days rest.

 

He also pitched May 1 on 4 days rest.

 

April 26

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May 1

 

The Atlanta Journal Constitution's calendar includes an additional day, confirmed. Either that or their reporting needs fact checking! What say you Justin Toscano?!?!?!?

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Sale hasn’t started on regular rest all season. He’s had at least one extra day in all of his turns through the rotation.

 

They've used a 6 man rotation whenever they've had more than 5 games in a row. They make sure all their starters get an extra day of rest.

 

The Sox could not accommodate him similarly. We scrimp and scrounge to get a 5 man rotation.

 

By the way, Bellhorn, this is what I have been talking about saying Atlanta was in a better position to accommodate Sale…

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As fate would have it, he's pitching tonight on 4 days rest.

 

He also pitched May 1 on 4 days rest.

 

It will be interesting to see how he pitches tonight now that he’s further along into the season.

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The Sox could not accommodate him similarly. We scrimp and scrounge to get a 5 man rotation.

 

By the way, Bellhorn, this is what I have been talking about saying Atlanta was in a better position to accommodate Sale…

 

Well, they're "accomodating" Max Fried exactly the same.

 

The fact that Atlanta is using a different approach doesn't mean Sale or Fried wouldn't be able to handle Boston's approach.

 

Full marks for effort, though.

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It will be interesting to see how he pitches tonight now that he’s further along into the season.

 

According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, he still had an additional days rest before tonight's game. Word is that he spent 24 hours in the Tardis with the Doctor. Unfortunately, that could have some wibbly wobbly timey wimey side effects for his arm.

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According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, he still had an additional days rest before tonight's game. Word is that he spent 24 hours in the Tardis with the Doctor. Unfortunately, that could have some wibbly wobbly timey wimey side effects for his arm.

 

Well if he had chosen instead to gain the extra day with Dr. Sam Beckett, he might never have leapt home in time for first pitch…

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