Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[mvp 78]

The point was about Oakland not spending and perennially sucking. They clearly have solid stretches.

 

Their big problem now is they unloaded Chapman, Olson, Murphy, etc. a couple years ago and focused on quantity over quality. All they have to show for that haul is Shea Langeliers and Esteury Ruiz..

 

Time for a new GM. I think that deal just OD'd on the "Moneyball" hype and didn't really get the right take aways from it.

[mvp 78]

... but in a city where you'd better follow the orders of your true bosses -- unless you want a tracheotomy with a ballpoint pen from Doctor Joe Pesci.

 

Best I can do is counting some cars with a reject from the Pawn Stars series. Sorry...

[Duran Is The Man]

The point was about Oakland not spending and perennially sucking. They clearly have solid stretches.

 

Their big problem now is they unloaded Chapman, Olson, Murphy, etc. a couple years ago and focused on quantity over quality. All they have to show for that haul is Shea Langeliers and Esteury Ruiz..

 

do you think they are going to do anything but suck if they stay on their current path?

[moonslav59]

do you think they are going to do anything but suck if they stay on their current path?

 

If we keep winning 6 out of 8, we will make the playoffs and maybe even win the division.

 

That is our "current path," if you choose 8 games.

[Dipre]

If we keep winning 6 out of 8, we will make the playoffs and maybe even win the division.

 

That is our "current path," if you choose 8 games.

 

Pretty sure they were talking about the A's.

[mvp 78]

Pretty sure they were talking about the A's.

 

They were. moon is an A's fan now. If the A's go 6 out of 8 the rest of the way, they could get to about 84 wins which is close to the playoffs. They aren't out of it!

[moonslav59]

Pretty sure they were talking about the A's.

 

Ooops.

 

[Duran Is The Man]

If we keep winning 6 out of 8, we will make the playoffs and maybe even win the division.

 

That is our "current path," if you choose 8 games.

 

yeah, i was talking about the A's.

[moonslav59]

If I had told anyone our top 2 starters would have ERAs under 3.28, and their names were Paxton and Bello, who would have believed it?

[Duran Is The Man]

If I had told anyone our top 2 starters would have ERAs under 3.28, and their names were Paxton and Bello, who would have believed it?

 

Bello is gonna be a stud. he's got a great future.

[moonslav59]

Bello is gonna be a stud. he's got a great future.

 

I agree, but he has some things to work on.

 

Big thanks to DD for signing him as an IFA (2017).

 

Big thanks to the system under DD & Ben for helping him develop into our best looking young pitcher since Lester.

 

[Randy Red Sox]

I thought in 4 years Bloom could have brought us in another Bello type SP

I agree, but he has some things to work on.

 

Big thanks to DD for signing him as an IFA (2017).

 

Big thanks to the system under DD & Ben for helping him develop into our best looking young pitcher since Lester.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I thought in 4 years Bloom could have brought us in another Bello type SP

 

Look at it this way, Bello was signed in July 2017 and didn't pitch in the bigs until 2022, so that's 5 years. Bloom's first signings were in 2020.

[notin]

do you think they are going to do anything but suck if they stay on their current path?

 

No team stays on their “current path” forever and every team sucks eventually.

 

The A’s, like the Rays, flip back and forth between successful and unsuccessful seasons. They’re usually either in the cellar or in the postseason…

[moonslav59]

I thought in 4 years Bloom could have brought us in another Bello type SP

 

It takes longer than that to draft/sign IFA and develop an starter like Bello.

 

DD signed Bello as an IFA in 2017. That's 6 years ago, and I'd like to think Bloom & Co. had something to do with developing Bloom, Houck and Whitlock into what they are, today, as well as unsung pitchers like Crawford and Winckowski.

 

Maybe not.

[Nick]

Age 24

 

2008 Lester 16-6 33 (GS) 3.21 (ERA) 210 IP, this was Lester's 3rd major league season

 

2023 Bello 5-4 12 (GS) 3.27 (ERA) 66 IP, this is Bello's second major league season. Obviously Bello will not match Lester's IP total but he has been pretty good

 

2017 E Rod 6-7 24 (GS) 4.19 (ERA) 126 IP, this was E Rod's 3rd major league season

 

Recent comparisons......

[moonslav59]

Age 24

 

2008 Lester 16-6 33 (GS) 3.21 (ERA) 210 IP, this was Lester's 3rd major league season

 

2023 Bello 5-4 12 (GS) 3.27 (ERA) 66 IP, this is Bello's second major league season. Obviously Bello will not match Lester's IP total but he has been pretty good

 

2017 E Rod 6-7 24 (GS) 4.19 (ERA) 126 IP, this was E Rod's 3rd major league season

 

Recent comparisons......

 

Good comps.

 

Another at 24:

2009 Buchholz (3rd season) 16 GS, 4.21 ERA in 92 IP

 

By the end of their age 24 seasons:

4.91 Buch (4.51 FIP) 34 GS/191 IP

4.23 ERod (4.09 FIP) 65 GS/366 IP

3.81 Lester (4.13 FIP) 59 GS/355 IP

 

Bello has more to add to his totals, but here are his career numbers, now:

3.94 ERA (3.43 FIP) 23 GS/123 IP

 

(Note: Houck and Wink barely pitched in the bigs at age 24. Whitlock's and Crawford's rookie years were at age 25.)

 

 

[Nick]

For me Bloom needs to continue to churn out young pitchers.

 

This is what he promised. Doing it right means once the train has left the station, another run of young pitchers should be arriving to backfill the ones that left. Bello, Whitlock, Houck, Crawford........who is next?

 

 

No more of 8-10 year gap in developing quality starters.

Edited June 25, 2023 by Nick

[moonslav59]

For me Bloom needs to continue to churn out young pitchers.

 

This is what he promised. Doing it right means once the train has left the station, another run of young pitchers should be arriving to backfill the ones that left. Bello, Whitlock, Houck, Crawford........who is next?

 

 

No more of 8-10 year gap in developing quality starters.

 

Drohan and Guerrero.

[sk7326]

We may need Walter or Murphy to come through for us, until Houck comes back.

 

I'm not sure, if they are considering moving Pivetta back to the rotation.

 

It could work.

 

The thing about Pivetta is that he could go on a 5 start heater ... he is a #5 starter, but one whose upside outcomes are better than most

[moonslav59]

The thing about Pivetta is that he could go on a 5 start heater ... he is a #5 starter, but one whose upside outcomes are better than most

 

He’s had some very long stretches of pitching like a 2 or 3 slot starter. I’m talking 15-20 games long.

[Randy Red Sox]

WHEN has Pivetta EVER had a 15-20 game hot stretch??

He’s had some very long stretches of pitching like a 2 or 3 slot starter. I’m talking 15-20 games long.

[moonslav59]

WHEN has Pivetta EVER had a 15-20 game hot stretch??

 

Nice memory, dude!

 

How about last year?

 

3.23 ERA after first 15 games.

3.68 after 17.

3.98 after 25.

That’s #2 or #3 numbers.

 

Pretty close in 2021:

3.78 after 12

4.00 after 15

4.20 after 23

That’s #3 to solid#4 numbers.

 

Short memory!

[moonslav59]

Actually, 4.51 in 31 starts in 2021 and 4.56 in 33 starts in2022 is better than over 20 teams 4th starter, 15 teams 3rd starter and maybe 5-10 teams number 2’s those seasons.

[sk7326]

the problem with Pivetta is he is capable of throwing in a 2-3 start stretch (particularly with better opposition) where it looks like he has never pitched before.

[mvp 78]

Actually, 4.51 in 31 starts in 2021 and 4.56 in 33 starts in2022 is better than over 20 teams 4th starter, 15 teams 3rd starter and maybe 5-10 teams number 2’s those seasons.

 

Better than 10 teams #2 now?

[moonslav59]

Better than 10 teams #2 now?

 

I said 5-10 teams those seasons. It might be 5 not10.

[Hugh2]

Told ya'll Bello was going to be good.

[Bellhorn04]

Told ya'll Bello was going to be good.

 

He might be better than good. And he's got some serious attitude.

[Hugh2]

He might be better than good. And he's got some serious attitude.

 

I saw that attitude when he was in Portland. His stuff is unhittable when he's on, he's still so young, it's great to see a pitching success story in Boston after so long.