Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[moonslav59]

No. 2b. Segura was render really a very good SS…

 

Then, no.

[Jasonbay44]

Then, no.

 

Segura is off the board anyway, he went to Marlins for 2 years $17 million

[notin]

Segura is off the board anyway, he went to Marlins for 2 years $17 million

 

I was glad he went elsewhere. Still prefer Andrus…

[Bellhorn04]

I was glad he went elsewhere. Still prefer Andrus…

 

Can we make it two in a row on Bloom signing guys we're asking for? Seems like a tall order...

[notin]

Can we make it two in a row on Bloom signing guys we're asking for? Seems like a tall order...

 

 

It might make us greedy and start asking for Juan Soto…

[mvp 78]

My preference is also Andrus.

 

Per BTV:

Murphy

Duran

 

Wendle

Rojas

 

Sox then DFA Arroyo. Wendle is the backup 2B/SS/3B and provides the LHB the Sox have been looking for to platoon in the IF (career 106 wRC+ vs RHP).

[notin]

My preference is also Andrus.

 

Per BTV:

Murphy

Duran

 

Wendle

Rojas

 

Sox then DFA Arroyo. Wendle is the backup 2B/SS/3B and provides the LHB the Sox have been looking for to platoon in the IF (career 106 wRC+ vs RHP).

 

Platoon with who?

 

Andrus isn’ta target due to his bat. And the only other RHH in the infield is Story…

[mvp 78]

Platoon with who?

 

Andrus isn’ta target due to his bat. And the only other RHH in the infield is Story…

 

He'd platoon with Rojas and Story? It's not my idea. It's something I've heard that the Sox FO have been looking for. They are looking for LHB MIFers apparently. Wendle would be an upgrade over Arroyo regardless and has played the OF before and was ok out there.

[moonslav59]

My preference is also Andrus.

 

Per BTV:

Murphy

Duran

 

Wendle

Rojas

 

Sox then DFA Arroyo. Wendle is the backup 2B/SS/3B and provides the LHB the Sox have been looking for to platoon in the IF (career 106 wRC+ vs RHP).

 

Although BTV has Arroyo with negative value, I think we could get a non 40 man roster prospect for him. I like the trade suggested.

 

I'd rather see us trade Duran, Murphy, Bonaci and Dalbec for Rojas and Berti. (or, Duran, Jordan and Murphy.)

 

I guess Berti is not a very good defensive RF'er, but he gets on base, a lot and can play the IF, so Arroyo could be traded... perhaps in this trade, if MIA wants him.

[moonslav59]

He'd platoon with Rojas and Story? It's not my idea. It's something I've heard that the Sox FO have been looking for. They are looking for LHB MIFers apparently. Wendle would be an upgrade over Arroyo regardless and has played the OF before and was ok out there.

 

I guess they don't view Enmanuel Valdez as the LHB IF'er.

[mvp 78]

I guess they don't view Enmanuel Valdez as the LHB IF'er.

 

He can only play 2B (barely), not SS.

 

Field: Fringy hands and range. Not a natural fielder. Can make routine plays but tends to lack fluidity and makes things more difficult than they need to be. Has primarily played second and third base in his career, but in 2022 began to see some time in left field and first base in an attempt to find him a long-term defensive home. Potential below-average defender regardless of where he ends up.

[moonslav59]

He can only play 2B (barely), not SS.

 

Field: Fringy hands and range. Not a natural fielder. Can make routine plays but tends to lack fluidity and makes things more difficult than they need to be. Has primarily played second and third base in his career, but in 2022 began to see some time in left field and first base in an attempt to find him a long-term defensive home. Potential below-average defender regardless of where he ends up.

 

Well, I'm not sure Segura could play SS, either, and while Iggy is better than EV, I'd rather have him at 2B than SS, too.

 

Just make the trade for Rojas and turn the attention to finding a real RF'er and maybe one more solid pitcher.

[notin]

He can only play 2B (barely), not SS.

 

Field: Fringy hands and range. Not a natural fielder. Can make routine plays but tends to lack fluidity and makes things more difficult than they need to be. Has primarily played second and third base in his career, but in 2022 began to see some time in left field and first base in an attempt to find him a long-term defensive home. Potential below-average defender regardless of where he ends up.

 

Well, hey, 50% of the players in the league are below average at their positions.

 

(Watch and see who takes this comment seriously.)

[moonslav59]

Well, hey, 50% of the players in the league are below average at their positions.

 

(Watch and see who takes this comment seriously.)

 

I could see us not adding any middle IF'ers and replacing Dalbec on the 26 with EValdez.

 

1. With Turner, we don't need Dalbec on the 26. He has options left and can play 3B, too, so maybe we keep him on the 40 but in AAA.

2. E Valdez bats lefty, so an Arroyo-V aldez platoon at 2B could become a reality, with Story at SS. (Arroyo's career splits do not really demand a platoon, however:

.696 v R

.725 v L

(Sure, one would hope EValdez could beat .696, but his worse D might cancel that out.)

[mvp 78]

Well, I'm not sure Segura could play SS, either, and while Iggy is better than EV, I'd rather have him at 2B than SS, too.

 

Just make the trade for Rojas and turn the attention to finding a real RF'er and maybe one more solid pitcher.

 

Segura is 2B or 3B going forward. He hasn't played much SS the past few years.

[mvp 78]

Well, hey, 50% of the players in the league are below average at their positions.

 

(Watch and see who takes this comment seriously.)

 

I just want to know how atrocious his defense actually is if they are moving him from 2B/3B straight to LF/1B. His bat better be really good. His trade-mate Abreu may wind up being the better prospect received.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

From the stands, I've seen Valdez play second and short. He made all the plays and looked like a pro ballplayer on defense.

 

In other words, nothing like Franchy or Duran...

 

Regarding Wendle: he was one of the first Marlins I mentioned him in a multi-player months ago -- but not to play short. I recall Wendle as a really good third baseman for the Rays, at least whenever they faced Boston. And that's a Red Sox position potentially in need of a big leaguer soon.

[mvp 78]

I could see us not adding any middle IF'ers and replacing Dalbec on the 26 with EValdez.

 

1. With Turner, we don't need Dalbec on the 26. He has options left and can play 3B, too, so maybe we keep him on the 40 but in AAA.

2. E Valdez bats lefty, so an Arroyo-V aldez platoon at 2B could become a reality, with Story at SS. (Arroyo's career splits do not really demand a platoon, however:

.696 v R

.725 v L

(Sure, one would hope EValdez could beat .696, but his worse D might cancel that out.)

 

Valdez had a 734 OPS with WOO. Might want to not strap a rocket on him just yet. If you are going to add a bench MIF, they better have a good glove.

[mvp 78]

From the stands, I've seen Valdez play second and short. He made all the plays and looked like a pro ballplayer on defense.

 

In other words, nothing like Franchy or Duran...

 

Regarding Wendle: he was one of the first Marlins I mentioned him in a multi-player months ago -- but not to play short. I recall Wendle as a really good third baseman for the Rays, at least whenever they faced Boston. And that's a Red Sox position potentially in need of a big leaguer soon.

 

He only has two professional games at short and 7 total fielding chances. I'm not going to say that I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

[moonslav59]

Segura is 2B or 3B going forward. He hasn't played much SS the past few years.

 

Yes, that was my point. EValdez and Segura both force Story to play SS. (I even think adding Iggy would make Iggy at 2B and Story at SS a better choice.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He only has two professional games at short and 7 total fielding chances. I'm not going to say that I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

I sat on the first base line in Worcester last summer and gave a full report of prospects -- I think it was in the minor league thread. I also attended Portland games, home and away. Rafaela looked like the best SS and CF...

[mvp 78]

I sat on the first base line in Worcester last summer and gave a full report of prospects -- I think it was in the minor league thread. I also attended Portland games, home and away. Rafaela looked like the best SS and CF...

 

Valdez didn't play ANY SS for Worcester. NONE. Unless you saw him play SS in 2021 down in TX, you haven't seen Valdez play SS.

[mvp 78]

Yes, that was my point. EValdez and Segura both force Story to play SS. (I even think adding Iggy would make Iggy at 2B and Story at SS a better choice.)

 

Yes, Iggy is no longer the great fielding SS that we remember him to be.

[moonslav59]

Valdez had a 734 OPS with WOO. Might want to not strap a rocket on him just yet. If you are going to add a bench MIF, they better have a good glove.

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That was a small sample size. He had a .918 OPS over 573 PAs in 2022. That is 6th best in all the minors among batters with 550+ PAs.

 

Abreu might end up being better. He finished 2nd in all minor leagues in BBs and is a decent baserunner (31 SB/ 3 CS).

 

I'm not predicting greatness from either of these two, but they both have put up some good numbers in AA or higher.

 

Want a bigger sample size?

 

Minor League OPS Ranking from 2021-2022 (900+ PAs)

 

9. Valdez .894 (A+, AA and AAA)

31. Abreu .844 (A+ and AA)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Valdez didn't play ANY SS for Worcester. NONE. Unless you saw him play SS in 2021 down in TX, you haven't seen Valdez play SS.

 

Wow, you must have been sitting right next to me. I'd guess you were in concessions when he was at short, but you don't seem to be into concessions, so you never left your seat. Maybe he took grounders there during pregame warm-ups? Don't you remember me telling you how strong his arm looked?

[mvp 78]

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That was a small sample size. He had a .918 OPS over 573 PAs in 2022. That is 6th best in all the minors among batters with 550+ PAs.

 

Abreu might end up being better. He finished 2nd in all minor leagues in BBs and is a decent baserunner (31 SB/ 3 CS).

 

Last year's Valdez #'s are also impacted by the small sample size of a lower level home run friendly Corpus Christi Whataburger Field: AA 40 games, 1.112 OPS.

[moonslav59]

Last year's Valdez #'s are also impacted by the small sample size of a lower level home run friendly Corpus Christi Whataburger Field: AA 40 games, 1.112 OPS.

 

Okay, but his away numbers were better than the WOO numbers, right?

[Hugh2]

He only has two professional games at short and 7 total fielding chances. I'm not going to say that I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

Valdez would be the worse SS in all of baseball on day 1. I don’t even want to see the name Valdez, and then afterwards I don’t want to see the word Short Stop unless it is at least 10 words after one another.

[mvp 78]

Okay, but his away numbers were better than the WOO numbers, right?

 

The Texas League is full of Home Run Friendly Ballparks, but none more so than Dr Pepper Ballpark in Frisco where Valdez hit 3 and had 22 total bases in one series which brought his SLG up 50 points.

 

Living in TX, I would have assumed you'd know how hitter friendly that environment is.

[mvp 78]

Valdez would be the worse SS in all of baseball on day 1. I don’t even want to see the name Valdez, and then afterwards I don’t want to see the word Short Stop unless it is at least 10 words after one another.

 

Enmanuel Valdez punches former short stop Manny Machado.