A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

notin · August 7, 2022

The worst part of Cordero was his defense at 1B. With the need for OF depth, I'm not sure he'll be DFA'd. He just won't ever be used at 1B, again.

That being said, I do think he is in the top 5 DFA list.

I do think Duran is a high trade candidate. I think he brings back more than Dugo would, due to more years of team control and perhaps a higher upside.

Cordero has been DFAd before…

Nick · August 7, 2022

Hosmer is not a rental. He's got 2 years of team control remaining and costs just the minimum wage. On a team in need of maximizing spending to fill so many open slots, I see 1B /DH as one we give Hosmer a shot at filling. Planning on him to fill one, for at least 2023, or until he proves he can't hit well enough, anymore.

I don't think Bloom trades Casas, but I do think we may need to trade a top prospect to get top quality at non-FA cost. Big trades for SP'ers (Pedro, Schilling, Beckett, Sale) has been the trademark of this team that has struggled to develop starters from our farm.

Part of my suggested idea of trading Casas, is that I think 1B is the easiest posit2ion to fill in other ways, and I'm not as high on Casas as a prospect as others and BTV seem to be. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm thinking sell high. I'd be okay trading Yorke, but that might be a sell low thing.

Of course, there is no concrete evidence of casas trade consideration or any other prospect I am aware of. I realize Bloom's M.O. is to acquire prospects not trade them, as was Ben's, but Ben did trade some, and so has Bloom. (No real top ones, yet.)

We could trade Dalbec, but for what?

Could you see trading Casas for a top catching or OF prospect? A ML ready 2B/SS type?

Are our top prospects more can't miss than a Langeliers (C on the A's) or Laureano (OF on the A's)?

BTV Value:
OF 32.1 Laureano
C 23.9 Langeliers (or Soderstrom 38.0) or ML'er Murphy 57.8 9 (3 yrs control)

39.7 Casas
21.2 Yorke
5.6 Lugo
5.4 Gonzalez
5.0 Jordan

Would you never post again, if we traded Casas and Yorke for Murphy or Casas, Lugo and Gonzalez for Laureano & Langeliers?

My guess is, OAK would say no, not BOS.

Maybe I wasn't cleared.

My point was we got Schwarber and Hosmer for one minor leaguers each. Bloom has been very protective of our young talent. I just don't ever see Casas being traded until he FAILS in major league. Based on what Bloom is doing, Casa will get a long, long, long look as a Sox. Hell Bloom gave Cordero a long leash.

dgalehouse · August 7, 2022

Trading Casas and keeping Hosmer at first base would seem to go against everything they are supposedly trying to accomplish. I could see keeping Hosmer around in case Casas doesn't pan out , but Tristan has to get a shot here.

Old Red · August 7, 2022

Trading Casas and keeping Hosmer at first base would seem to go against everything they are supposedly trying to accomplish. I could see keeping Hosmer around in case Casas doesn't pan out , but Tristan has to get a shot here.

It would be a shocker to me if Casas was traded at least in the near future, and I think to Bloom too.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

Cordero has been DFAd before…

He may again, and he may be #1 on Bloom's DFA list, as we speak. He's on my list, too- just not #1 oe 2, due to our extreme lack of OF depth, and his hard to let go impression of having so many "tools."

Having 7 players losing team control, and a few options pending, this winter and maybe only 5-6 Rule 5 additions, makes DFA'ing anyone a low priority, right now and into the start of this winter.

As we start adding FAs or trade additions, we will start thinking about DFAs, but a lot might depend on who we add and what positions they play.

As much as I have lauded Bloom's building up of the 40 man roster depth, we still have quite a few players I would not mind us trading or DFA'ing. Here are my lists, as of now:

7 FAs: Bogey, JD, Nate, Wacha, Hill, Strahm & Plawecki

Options (trade?): Paxton, Sawamura, Pham

Trade:

Barnes (better to hope for rebound or salary dump swap?)

Dalbec (minor league depth?)

Danish (I think a keeper)

Maybe Trade: Duran or Dugo, Wong or RHern, Arroyo or Downs

DFA/Trade:

1. Sanchez

2. DHern

3. Ort

4. JDavis or Cordero

Larry Cook · August 7, 2022

For 2023, I see the following position players:

C - left handed hitting McGuire

Right handed hitting wong

1b - left handed hitting hosmer

Right handed hitting dalbec

Left handed hitting cassas

2b - right handed hitting story

Right handed hitting arroyo

SS - right handed hitting story

Right handed hitting arroyo

3b - right handed hitting devers

Right handed hitting dalbec

Utility - tbd

Lf - left handed hitting verdugo

Cf - left handed hitting Duran

Rf - tbd

4th outfielder - tbd

Dh - left handed hitting cassas

Right handed hitting dalbec

Plenty of opportunity for Hang’em Chaim to upgrade these positions.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

Trading Casas and keeping Hosmer at first base would seem to go against everything they are supposedly trying to accomplish. I could see keeping Hosmer around in case Casas doesn't pan out , but Tristan has to get a shot here.

If we traded Casas, we would be getting something valuable back, right?

I'm not saying it will or should happen, especially since 1B looks like one of our weakest positions, but you can't trade crap to get top players.

Which slot looks like the highest need area without Casas?

SP: Wink, Crawford, Bello?

RP: After Houck, Whitlock & Schreiber?

2B/SS: Downs. Arroyo, Sanchez?

CF/RF: Refsnyder, Duran, Dugo?

C: McGuire, Wong, RHern?

1B: Hosmer, Dalbec?

There is no clear cut answer.

I could see us trading a prospect or two (Casas, Duran or Yorke) for a player with multiple years of team control that fills one of these slots, other than 1B. We aren't getting old b y trading Dalbec, Downs and Wong.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

Maybe I wasn't cleared.

My point was we got Schwarber and Hosmer for one minor leaguers each. Bloom has been very protective of our young talent. I just don't ever see Casas being traded until he FAILS in major league. Based on what Bloom is doing, Casa will get a long, long, long look as a Sox. Hell Bloom gave Cordero a long leash.

We also got 2 minor leaguers with Hosmer, both may be better than Groome.

Hosmer is not a rental, as you indicated.

I'm not arguing that B loom is looking to trade Casas, but I have more faith in Hosmer at 1B/DH for the next 2 years than Downs/Arroyo at SS/2B, McGuire/Wong/RHern at C or Refsnyder/Dugo/Duran in CF/RF. Who knows who B loom has more faith in. He may think all deserve a chance and not seek to fill any slots via trade, or he may fill all slots via free agency.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

I fixed a couple things:

For 2023, I see the following position players:

C - left handed hitting McGuire

Right handed hitting wong

1b - left handed hitting casas

Right handed hitting dalbec

Left handed hitting hosmer

2b - right handed hitting story

Right handed hitting arroyo

SS - right handed hitting story

Right handed hitting arroyo

3b - right handed hitting devers

Right handed hitting dalbec

Utility - tbd (Arroyo/Downs)

Lf - left handed hitting verdugo

Cf - left handed hitting Duran

Rf - tbd

4th outfielder - tbd (Refsnyder)

Dh - left handed hitting Hosmer

Right handed hitting dalbec

Plenty of opportunity for Hang’em Chaim to upgrade these positions.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

He may again, and he may be #1 on Bloom's DFA list, as we speak. He's on my list, too- just not #1 oe 2, due to our extreme lack of OF depth, and his hard to let go impression of having so many "tools."

Having 7 players losing team control, and a few options pending, this winter and maybe only 5-6 Rule 5 additions, makes DFA'ing anyone a low priority, right now and into the start of this winter.

As we start adding FAs or trade additions, we will start thinking about DFAs, but a lot might depend on who we add and what positions they play.

As much as I have lauded Bloom's building up of the 40 man roster depth, we still have quite a few players I would not mind us trading or DFA'ing. Here are my lists, as of now:

7 FAs: Bogey, JD, Nate, Wacha, Hill, Strahm & Plawecki

Options (trade?): Paxton, Sawamura, Pham

Trade:
Barnes (better to hope for rebound or salary dump swap?)
Dalbec (minor league depth?)
Danish (I think a keeper)

Maybe Trade: Duran or Dugo, Wong or RHern, Arroyo or Downs

DFA/Trade:
1. Sanchez
2. DHern
3. Ort
4. JDavis or Cordero

I forgot Kike as a FA to be (making that number 8.)

We also have Paxton on the 60 day, so technically we have 41 on the 40 man, minus 8 =32. Add 5-6 Rule 5's and we have 2-3 open slots before DFA'ing or trading is needed.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

There is some reason to be optimistic about Crawford and Winckowski.

Crawford:

2.90 since April 19th (50 IP, not counting today)

2.38 since June 19 (34 IP, not counting today)

Winckowski:

4.21 after his first start (47 IP)

2.70 his last 2 starts (10 IP)

Season:

Crawford:

3.86 (111 ERA+)

3.74 FIP

1.23 WHIP

.680 OPS Against in 224 PAs Against

Winckowski:

4.68 ERA (91 ERA+)

5.11 FIP

1.50 WHIP

.832 OPSA (220 PAs Against)

Larry Cook · August 7, 2022

I fixed a couple things:

For 2023, I see the following position players:

C - left handed hitting McGuire
Right handed hitting wong

1b - left handed hitting casas
Right handed hitting dalbec
Left handed hitting hosmer

2b - right handed hitting story
Right handed hitting arroyo

SS - right handed hitting story
Right handed hitting arroyo

3b - right handed hitting devers
Right handed hitting dalbec

Utility - tbd (Arroyo/Downs)

Lf - left handed hitting verdugo

Cf - left handed hitting Duran

Rf - tbd

4th outfielder - tbd (Refsnyder)

Dh - left handed hitting Hosmer
Right handed hitting dalbec

Plenty of opportunity for Hang’em Chaim to upgrade these positions.

Resigning bogey and then signing a superior Rf bat would improve this lineup and make us formidable, if we can stay healthy!

cp176 · August 7, 2022

for 2023, i see the following position players:

C - left handed hitting mcguire
right handed hitting wong

1b - left handed hitting hosmer
right handed hitting dalbec
left handed hitting cassas

2b - right handed hitting story
right handed hitting arroyo

ss - right handed hitting story
right handed hitting arroyo

3b - right handed hitting devers
right handed hitting dalbec

utility - tbd

lf - left handed hitting verdugo

cf - left handed hitting duran

rf - tbd

4th outfielder - tbd

dh - left handed hitting cassas
right handed hitting dalbec

plenty of opportunity for hang’em chaim to upgrade these positions.

p u

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

Resigning bogey and then signing a superior Rf bat would improve this lineup and make us formidable, if we can stay healthy!

Swanson, Judge, Kike and Verlander would do it for me. That should not cost more than $80-85M a year.

Trade Dugo or Duran plus others for a catcher and pitching depth, and we should be playoff bound.

Old Red · August 7, 2022

Swanson, Judge, Kike and Verlander would do it for me. That should not cost more than $80-85M a year.

Trade Dugo or Duran plus others for a catcher and pitching depth, and we should be playoff bound.

Not only no, but hell no on Kike. Still trying to trade a useless Duran.

harmony · August 7, 2022

I fixed a couple things:

For 2023, I see the following position players:

C - left handed hitting McGuire
Right handed hitting wong

1b - left handed hitting casas
Right handed hitting dalbec
Left handed hitting hosmer

2b - right handed hitting story
Right handed hitting arroyo

SS - right handed hitting story
Right handed hitting arroyo

3b - right handed hitting devers
Right handed hitting dalbec

Utility - tbd (Arroyo/Downs)

Lf - left handed hitting verdugo

Cf - left handed hitting Duran

Rf - tbd

4th outfielder - tbd (Refsnyder)

Dh - left handed hitting Hosmer
Right handed hitting dalbec

Plenty of opportunity for Hang’em Chaim to upgrade these positions.

Rafael Devers will likely continue to bat from the left side.

Larry Cook · August 7, 2022

Rafael Devers will likely continue to bat from the left side.

Good catch. My bad.

moonslav59 · August 7, 2022

Time start tracking how far we are from a top 5 draft pick.

oldtimer · August 7, 2022

Time start tracking how far we are from a top 5 draft pick.

It only hurts when I laugh.

Fan_since_Boggs · August 8, 2022

C: Wong
1b: Hosmer
2b: Story
SS: C.Correa (free agent)
3b: Devers
LF: E.Valdez
CF: resign K.Hernandez to a one year deal
RF: T. Naquin (free agent)
DH: ???

Trade Duran, trade or non-tender Verdugo, obtain comp pick for Eavoldi, don't resign JD Martinez, get comp pick for Bogaerts.

How about Matt Carpenter as next year's DH? He will be a free agent, the Yankees aren't the right fit for him and the Yankees are going to spend a fortune on Judge, I could see Carpenter going elsewhere. Sure, he might return to St.Louis but the Red Sox could bid for him--a one year offer to avoid spending big money on a DH and Casas will be ready by 2024 (if he isn't ready by 2023).

At this point, it might make more sense for the Red Sox to hold on to Duran as a 4th OF. Will anyone want him in a trade? It is not only his poor defense and lack of hitting, but he looks like a mental case out there.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Fan_since_Boggs

moonslav59 · August 8, 2022

It's sad to think, as of right now, we'd have the 14th pick in the 2023 draft! (Tied for 13th.)

1. WSH 36-74

2. OAK 41-68

3. DET 43-67

4. CHC 43-64

5. KCR 44-65

6. PIT 44-64

7. CIN 44-63

8. LAA 46-63

9. COL 48-63

10. TEX 48-60

11. AZ 48-59

12. MIA 49-59

13. SFG 53-55

14. BOS 54-56

Sad.

oldtimer · August 8, 2022

How about Matt Carpenter as next year's DH? He will be a free agent, the Yankees aren't the right fit for him and the Yankees are going to spend a fortune on Judge, I could see Carpenter going elsewhere. Sure, he might return to St.Louis but the Red Sox could bid for him--a one year offer to avoid spending big money on a DH and Casas will be ready by 2024 (if he isn't ready by 2023).

At this point, it might make more sense for the Red Sox to hold on to Duran as a 4th OF. Will anyone want him in a trade? It is not only his poor defense and lack of hitting, but he looks like a mental case out there.

Another possibility is Hosmer at DH part time and Casas getting a look at 1st base. Duran is having a tough go defensively in the OF and his hitting is not that good. time to look elsewhere for a CF.

moonslav59 · August 8, 2022

Another possibility is Hosmer at DH part time and Casas getting a look at 1st base. Duran is having a tough go defensively in the OF and his hitting is not that good. time to look elsewhere for a CF.

Duran's only chance to start seems to be as a LF'er or DH, and I'm not sure he can hit well enough to be a plus at either spot.

I'm okay with Verdugo in RF, but I still think our current OF consists of three LF'ers and a journeyman 4th OF'er who is over producing. Kike's injury and the whole JBJ fiasco was an total disaster to this team. Add to this, Dugo's failure to progress over the past 2 seasons, and to me, the OF (being 3 positions) was a bigger disaster than 1B, the pen or the rotation.

notin · August 8, 2022

Another possibility is Hosmer at DH part time and Casas getting a look at 1st base. Duran is having a tough go defensively in the OF and his hitting is not that good. time to look elsewhere for a CF.

Hosmer isn’t much of a hitter. The internal solution might be Hosmer at 1b and Casas/Dalbec at DH. At least until they DFA or trade Hosmer..

5GoldGlovesOF,75 · August 8, 2022

It's sad to think, as of right now, we'd have the 14th pick in the 2023 draft! (Tied for 13th.)

1. WSH 36-74
2. OAK 41-68
3. DET 43-67
4. CHC 43-64
5. KCR 44-65
6. PIT 44-64
7. CIN 44-63
8. LAA 46-63
9. COL 48-63
10. TEX 48-60
11. AZ 48-59
12. MIA 49-59
13. SFG 53-55
14. BOS 54-56

Sad.

Keep the faith; I keep hearing the Sox' schedule is only going to get tougher down the stretch -- they're going to play against Major League teams!

Old Red · August 8, 2022

It's sad to think, as of right now, we'd have the 14th pick in the 2023 draft! (Tied for 13th.)

1. WSH 36-74
2. OAK 41-68
3. DET 43-67
4. CHC 43-64
5. KCR 44-65
6. PIT 44-64
7. CIN 44-63
8. LAA 46-63
9. COL 48-63
10. TEX 48-60
11. AZ 48-59
12. MIA 49-59
13. SFG 53-55
14. BOS 54-56

Sad.

From your daily wildcard standings update during the fantasy month of June to this. Wow how the mighty has fallen.

Hugh2 · August 8, 2022

How about Matt Carpenter as next year's DH? He will be a free agent, the Yankees aren't the right fit for him and the Yankees are going to spend a fortune on Judge, I could see Carpenter going elsewhere. Sure, he might return to St.Louis but the Red Sox could bid for him--a one year offer to avoid spending big money on a DH and Casas will be ready by 2024 (if he isn't ready by 2023).

At this point, it might make more sense for the Red Sox to hold on to Duran as a 4th OF. Will anyone want him in a trade? It is not only his poor defense and lack of hitting, but he looks like a mental case out there.

If you're not resigning Bogaerts, I'm moving Story to SS and Duran to 2B. Sign Judge to play RF and let Kike handle CF. Offer JDM a QO and if he takes it great, there's your DH.

Personally, I think Bogaerts gets resigned. That team above could be horrible.

Hugh2 · August 8, 2022

Why not put Duran back at 2B? it's his natural position and he obviously has zero ability to play the outfield. Sox might have a need up the middle as well if Bogaerts walks.

notin · August 8, 2022

Why not put Duran back at 2B? it's his natural position and he obviously has zero ability to play the outfield. Sox might have a need up the middle as well if Bogaerts walks.

What makes anyone think he has any ability to play 2b? He was moved to the OF presumably for a reason.

And what exactly is a “natural position”? Where he played in high school and college?

Old Red · August 8, 2022

What makes anyone think he has any ability to play 2b? He was moved to the OF presumably for a reason.

And what exactly is a “natural position”? Where he played in high school and college?

He still can’t hit.

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