A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[notin]

I don’t care if Judge hits 70 this year. It looks good, but what are the changes that he has a year like this again let alone stay healthy as he gets older. To me not worth the money, or length of a contract he will get. Raffy to me is a lot better option, and safer bet.

 

I’d prefer Devers over anyone except maybe Soto if SD can’t extend him. But I strongly suspect they will..

[notin]

We don’t want to sign Judge because he’s 30, yet Xander is 6 months younger. Judge has a track record and fills an immediate need.

 

Signing a big contract shouldn’t exclude the Sox from signing others. Despite various claims, the Sox are consistently one of the biggest spenders.

 

It’s even more justified to spend when you’re going for it. We’ve built the farm back up and reset the lux tax last year, if you plan on staying over you have a LOT of money to spend until you reach the next threshold.

 

I think Judge is moot. The Yankees are extremely unlikely to let him go…

[Hugh2]

I think Judge is moot. The Yankees are extremely unlikely to let him go…

 

Good, that may take them out of the running for other FA's we can pursue, which is why we should at least make a competitive bid and bid his price up. It's not like he's not a premium player at a position we desperately need to fill. Think of it this way, lets say Judge was with Boston and not NY and approaching free agency this year. Do we think a lot more people on this board would want to resign him? or do we think we'd all be wanting him to walk away? Again, you make a great point that NY is likely to make a big offer to stay in NY, we should at least be in the conversation.

[Bellhorn04]

We don’t want to sign Judge because he’s 30, yet Xander is 6 months younger. Judge has a track record and fills an immediate need.

 

I certainly wouldn't want to sign Bogey for the money I think Judge will be getting.

[moonslav59]

I certainly wouldn't want to sign Bogey for the money I think Judge will be getting.

 

Me, neither.

 

My guess is, we get neither.

[Old Red]

I certainly wouldn't want to sign Bogey for the money I think Judge will be getting.

 

Bogey is not worth $30M, and not worth the contract that Judge had been offered already.

[Hugh2]

This can’t be said enough, which rings 100x truer than my opinion of signing Stanton. Almost no free agent is ever worth the money. Of they’re worth it for a few years and are serviceable players by the end of the contract consider yourself winners.

 

Timing is important, but at some point you have to spend big. Not saying it has to be Stanton, but someone at some point is getting signed for entirely way too much money and an amount higher than what most think is reasonable. I’d be willing to bet if we took a survey of how much it would take to keep Bogaerts in Boston that 90% of the answers would lowball the true number.

 

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[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I think Judge is moot. The Yankees are extremely unlikely to let him go…

 

If the Yankems don't re-sign Judge, the blow-back in Yankem land would be similar to if the Yankems had traded Mantle at the height of his career.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

BobbY Dalbec! Hell they are trying him at 2nd base. Given Bloom's track record a move to Centerfield can not be far off.

 

Dalbec at 2b or CF makes a lot of sense. I also like the idea of converting Franchy Cordero to catcher--that would be a very Bloomian move, and the Red Sox need a starting catcher next year.

 

Bloom is really into Franchy, he might even consider adopting him as a son.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think Judge is moot. The Yankees are extremely unlikely to let him go…

 

He may be moot, but he's not Mook. Judge's body is just too big, and therefore too prone to break down early in life, like Andre the Giant.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I also like the idea of converting Franchy Cordero to catcher--that would be a very Bloomian move, and the Red Sox need a starting catcher next year.

 

Bloom is really into Franchy, he might even consider adopting him as a son.

 

This would be ok, but only if they change the name of the position from catcher to misser.

 

However, Bloom knows better than to call him son, so Duran can't say he's always in his eyes.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

too prone to break down early in life, like Andre the Giant.

 

I don't know, there is a difference between Judge and a freak like Andre the Giant, who was also a poorly conditioned athlete. Dave Winfield is not an outrageous comp for Judge and Winfield had a 138 OPS+ at age 40. Judge will want a long term deal, a little under 10 years, and will want to be paid at least 30 million per year and someone will probably make that kind of offer. It'll then be up to the Yankees to decide if they want to match it or not and they probably will match it.

 

NL teams have the DH now, it isn't like the Pujols free agency when NL teams were worried about giving him too many years. With the DH in the NL, more teams will be open to the idea of signing Judge knowing they can move him to DH in his late 30s.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Hugh2]

He may be moot, but he's not Mook. Judge's body is just too big, and therefore too prone to break down early in life, like Andre the Giant.

 

What? Big guys don’t deteriorate faster than little guys, If anything the opposite is true, unless of course we’re talking about fat people. Increased bone and muscle size is directly correlated with longevity.

 

Andre the Giant suffered from gigantism, he was 7’4” pushing 500 lbs. Judge is a big boy, he doesn’t suffer from a condition in which his body is releasing excessive growth hormone at insanely unhealthy levels.

[Hugh2]

There’s more than one way to skin a cat. I’m just hoping this FO pulls the trigger next year and makes a run for a few years here. As bad as things seem right now I don’t think we are far from being that. But the team as constructed now is lost. I didn’t exactly have a hard on for Judge, just an ideal, but damn….imagine him destroying that green monster.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Alright, take it easy big fellas. My commentary has always been that a lame reason not to pay Mookie was his size, when Judge and Stanton were hurt every single year since 2018 -- except this one.

[Hugh2]

I think Judge will get 8 years, you’re seeing less of these 10 year deals to guys who are older than 30. It’s the younger guys having their arbitration years bought out signing deals into the decades.

 

I think 8/300gets it done, or at least puts you in the finals. I think Bogarts gets 7/240. I don’t even want to think about Devers. I think he can get 380/12. I’m probably way off…but who isnt

[moonslav59]

This would be ok, but only if they change the name of the position from catcher to misser.

 

However, Bloom knows better than to call him son, so Duran can't say he's always in his eyes.

 

They should concentrate on converting Dalbec to a hitter.

[mvp 78]

They should concentrate on converting Dalbec to a hitter.

 

In AAA.

[Old Red]

They should concentrate on converting Dalbec to a hitter.

 

But he’s going to get hot like last year, or so some on here have been preaching.

[mvp 78]

But he’s going to get hot like last year, or so some on here have been preaching.

 

Yes, in Worcester.

[Old Red]

Yes, in Worcester.

 

To late in the season for that, but yes Worcester he should be.

[moonslav59]

In AAA.

 

Anywhere but Boston.

[Larry Cook]

I think Judge will get 8 years, you’re seeing less of these 10 year deals to guys who are older than 30. It’s the younger guys having their arbitration years bought out signing deals into the decades.

 

I think 8/300gets it done, or at least puts you in the finals. I think Bogarts gets 7/240. I don’t even want to think about Devers. I think he can get 380/12. I’m probably way off…but who isnt

 

Bogey or Correa? If it was up to you, which would you sign?

[oldtimer]

Bogey or Correa? If it was up to you, which would you sign?

 

Trey Turner

[Hugh2]

Bogey or Correa? If it was up to you, which would you sign?

 

I’m not opposed to selling off expiring contracts and bringing in prospects, baseball is a business and you need to build a whole team/organization. But I believe in continuity as well. There’s value in a fan favorite like Bogaerts.

 

If they sign Correa, they better damn well extend a Devers. But then they look even dumber for not trading Bogaerts at this deadline.

 

If I’m the Sox…I’m signing Bogaerts.

[Larry Cook]

Trey Turner

 

I like your thinking! Excellent answer!

[Larry Cook]

I’m not opposed to selling off expiring contracts and bringing in prospects, baseball is a business and you need to build a whole team/organization. But I believe in continuity as well. There’s value in a fan favorite like Bogaerts.

 

If they sign Correa, they better damn well extend a Devers. But then they look even dumber for not trading Bogaerts at this deadline.

 

If I’m the Sox…I’m signing Bogaerts.

 

I consider bogey and devers two cornerstones of the organization. I hope they sign both, but have to accept that it might not happen!

[Hugh2]

I consider bogey and devers two cornerstones of the organization. I hope they sign both, but have to accept that it might not happen!

 

I hope they sign both too, I think they really have to sign at least one.

[moonslav59]

How about 28 year old Dansby Swanson?

 

He won't cost as much, and would allow us to spend more on an OF upgrade or a better rated pitcher or two.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

How about 28 year old Dansby Swanson?

 

He won't cost as much, and would allow us to spend more on an OF upgrade or a better rated pitcher or two.

 

 

Is he related to the frozen dinner franchise?