A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[MADSTORK]

Renfroe isn't exactly Lou Gehrig, especially this year.

 

 

Power bat great 21 season. 4 million more in Arb you pencil him in RF another season

 

Just think AB Renfro were traded for beer leaguers and JBJ whose salary 9.5 and say he’s bought out at 8, 17.5 tied up with a player who is 34 and cannot hit

 

You could have had 2 productive players for less money than your paying Bradley!!

 

It makes zero sense

[Hugh2]

I don’t think you are following mate. It was an off-season scenario entering 2022. With Mancini and Renfroe this team would have gotten what? At very least 7 more wins?

 

Ok….but why would Mancini make sense RIGHT NOW?

 

I think if the Sox were in serious contention, he makes all the sense in the world.

[Hugh2]

Mancini was just traded to Houston.

[iortiz]

Ok….but why would Mancini make sense RIGHT NOW?

 

I think if the Sox were in serious contention, he makes all the sense in the world.

Right now, they have to be sellers all the way unless they are going to pay Devers, Xander and Eovaldi.

[mvp 78]

Power bat great 21 season. 4 million more in Arb you pencil him in RF another season

 

Just think AB Renfro were traded for beer leaguers and JBJ whose salary 9.5 and say he’s bought out at 8, 17.5 tied up with a player who is 34 and cannot hit

 

You could have had 2 productive players for less money than your paying Bradley!!

 

It makes zero sense

 

It was a horrible trade. However, you stated they has to cover for injured Kiké, but Renfroe missed a lot of time too.

[MADSTORK]

It was a horrible trade. However, you stated they has to cover for injured Kiké, but Renfroe missed a lot of time too.

 

You cannot predict injuries

Again, all this GM had to do was bring back the 21 OF

[Fan_since_Boggs]

So who is the starting catcher going forward? I don't get it. The Red Sox finally have a 1b, but no catcher? How strange. Maybe Bloom wants to move Cordero to catcher? That's probably it!

 

Franchy Cordero, forget about 1b, you are now a catcher.

[mvp 78]

Gregorius was just released by the Phillies. Sox need a 2b. Should they pick him up and have him hang out there instead of Yolmer? It would only cost league minimum.

[a700hitter]

Gregorius was just released by the Phillies. Sox need a 2b. Should they pick him up and have him hang out there instead of Yolmer? It would only cost league minimum.

yes

[a700hitter]

So who is the starting catcher going forward? I don't get it. The Red Sox finally have a 1b, but no catcher? How strange. Maybe Bloom wants to move Cordero to catcher? That's probably it!

 

Franchy Cordero, forget about 1b, you are now a catcher.

LOL! We will hear about how his great athleticism will help him adapt to catching. LMAO!

[vegasbob]

Gregorius was just released by the Phillies. Sox need a 2b. Should they pick him up and have him hang out there instead of Yolmer? It would only cost league minimum.

 

The DD in Didi probably disqualifies him from being on the Sox. I would, however, take most anyone over Yolmar Sanchez's bat.

[illinoisredsox]

The DD in Didi probably disqualifies him from being on the Sox. I would, however, take most anyone over Yolmar Sanchez's bat.

 

An awful lot of Yankee stench associated with DD.

[Maxbialystock]

You cannot predict injuries

Again, all this GM had to do was bring back the 21 OF

 

To be honest, I would have been happy with that. Renfroe had 16 freaking outfield assists last year--what an arm!!--but he also had 12 freaking errors. So his DWAR was -0.5. But the sucker can hit.

[notin]

Gregorius was just released by the Phillies. Sox need a 2b. Should they pick him up and have him hang out there instead of Yolmer? It would only cost league minimum.

 

It only costs the minimum if he clears waivers, which depends on his salary.

 

The Brewers DFAd Dinelson Lamet. If he is or will be healthy, he would be e with an actual waiver claim…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It only costs the minimum if he clears waivers, which depends on his salary.

 

The Brewers DFAd Dinelson Lamet. If he is or will be healthy, he would be e with an actual waiver claim…

 

lamet Laments he cannot play second base...

[notin]

An awful lot of Yankee stench associated with DD.

 

I believe the Phillies gave him a good scrubbin’

[notin]

lamet Laments he cannot play second base...

 

No but he can make Sawamura a DFA candidate…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No but he can make Sawamura a DFA candidate…

 

This may be what is so frustrating about the deadline for Red Sox Nation. Unlike Michael Corleone, Chaim Bloom did not take care of all family business.

 

But that's on him for recruiting too many friends of his; the organization needs too much disorganizing to do it all at once.

[MADSTORK]

22 is in the books

 

You needed a sweep of KC this weekend to stand a chance with a very tough week coming up

 

After the bullpen blowing yet another game here Thursday vs kc, time for management to bring up the Prospects and see what you have going forward

 

Casas German Mata Abreu

 

I’d love to see Mayer for a week in September, kid has a sweet stroke, sweet!

[mvp 78]

22 is in the books

 

You needed a sweep of KC this weekend to stand a chance with a very tough week coming up

 

After the bullpen blowing yet another game here Thursday vs kc, time for management to bring up the Prospects and see what you have going forward

 

Casas German Mata Abreu

 

I’d love to see Mayer for a week in September, kid has a sweet stroke, sweet!

 

Mata is coming off TJS, I wouldn't put the pressure of MLB on him this year. I'd push it off until next season.

[moonslav59]

Yanks lost.

TOR lost

TBR lost

 

We missed a good chance to get back in the race, these last 2 days.

 

Returning players are not giving us what we hoped for. Even our rocks, like Whitlock, are showing signs of cracking. (Still pitched very well.)

 

This team seems snakebitten. Nothing seems to go right.

 

There is plenty of blame to go around, if blaming is your thing.

 

Top to bottom: we suck!

 

We should have sold, sold, sold.

[Old Red]

Yanks lost.

TOR lost

TBR lost

 

We missed a good chance to get back in the race, these last 2 days.

 

Returning players are not giving us what we hoped for. Even our rocks, like Whitlock, are showing signs of cracking. (Still pitched very well.)

 

This team seems snakebitten. Nothing seems to go right.

 

There is plenty of blame to go around, if blaming is your thing.

 

Top to bottom: we suck!

 

We should have sold, sold, sold.

 

I agree with you 100% that we suck from top JH, Bloom, and Cora, and to the players. Everyone, and fans too should be embarrassed with this mess. 4 games behind the O’s in the L column for last place. Fire Sale, and heads should have rolled too.

[Elktonnick]

I agree with you 100% that we suck from top JH, Bloom, and Cora, and to the players. Everyone, and fans too should be embarrassed with this mess. 4 games behind the O’s in the L column for last place. Fire Sale, and heads should have rolled too.

I said I was agnostic about Bloom. But his deconstruction of the 21 team has proven disastrous. I think he has lost the confidence of the team. For me the question is does John Henry care?

[moonslav59]

It seems the biggest loss from the 2021 team is Martin Perez. Yes, even bigger than Renfroe.

 

I guess is to blame for that, too.

[notin]

I said I was agnostic about Bloom. But his deconstruction of the 21 team has proven disastrous. I think he has lost the confidence of the team. For me the question is does John Henry care?

 

 

“Deconstruction” might be a tad hyperbolic.

 

7 of the 9 lineup starters are the same.

 

And while many focus on the downgrade in RF from Bradley to Renfroe, not one person seems to mention the upgrade at 2b over last season’s mishmash/trial by fire/names out of a hat.

 

Pop quiz: what logged the most and second most innings at 2b last year for the Sox?

 

If you guessed Marwin Gonzalez and Michael Chavis, you’re dead wrong. It was Kike and Arroyo. But Marwin and Chavis were third and fourth. And the starter once Kike moved to CF was largely Arroyo (who is still with the Sox).

 

So has Story/Bradley been that much worse than Renfroe/Arroyo?

[oldtimer]

Yanks lost.

TOR lost

TBR lost

 

We missed a good chance to get back in the race, these last 2 days.

 

Returning players are not giving us what we hoped for. Even our rocks, like Whitlock, are showing signs of cracking. (Still pitched very well.)

 

This team seems snakebitten. Nothing seems to go right.

 

There is plenty of blame to go around, if blaming is your thing.

 

Top to bottom: we suck!

Eovaldi

We should have sold, sold, sold.

 

Did you notice the article quoting Pedro Martinez as saying he is confused about the direction that Bloom and the front office is taking the team? Mixed signals. Trading Vazquez for a questionable return but not trading either JDM or Eovaldi. Picking up Pham and Davis a little earlier. Picking up Hosmer (a trade that I thought was smart). I join Pedro is feeling confused. We are not going anywhere this year and should have sold although I would have held onto Vaz, Bogey and Devers. The way the Vaz deal went down may well convince Bogey and Devers to look for another organization.

 

As to your strawman about picking up Verlander on a short contract, I prefer we look for a #1 or #2 starter in his prime or younger. We have seen the Sale contract bomb, due to age and wear and tear. We also picked up Paxton and have yet to see any return on that investment. Another $10 Mil of essentially dead money this year. Again, I prefer younger, even if we have to pay the freight.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

“Deconstruction” might be a tad hyperbolic.

 

7 of the 9 lineup starters are the same.

 

And while many focus on the downgrade in RF from Bradley to Renfroe, not one person seems to mention the upgrade at 2b over last season’s mishmash/trial by fire/names out of a hat.

 

Pop quiz: what logged the most and second most innings at 2b last year for the Sox?

 

If you guessed Marwin Gonzalez and Michael Chavis, you’re dead wrong. It was Kike and Arroyo. But Marwin and Chavis were third and fourth. And the starter once Kike moved to CF was largely Arroyo (who is still with the Sox).

 

So has Story/Bradley been that much worse than Renfroe/Arroyo?

 

Maybe they are counting Schwarber and Iggys as part of the deconstruction, and maybe Bloom should be blamed for guessing Perez's best season wrongly.

 

Maybe he should have brought Richards, Marwin and Andriese back, instead of Wacha, Hill, Strahm and Robles.

[notin]

Did you notice the article quoting Pedro Martinez as saying he is confused about the direction that Bloom and the front office is taking the team? Mixed signals. Trading Vazquez for a questionable return but not trading either JDM or Eovaldi. Picking up Pham and Davis a little earlier. Picking up Hosmer (a trade that I thought was smart). I join Pedro is feeling confused. We are not going anywhere this year and should have sold although I would have held onto Vaz, Bogey and Devers. The way the Vaz deal went down may well convince Bogey and Devers to look for another organization.

 

As to your strawman about picking up Verlander on a short contract, I prefer we look for a #1 or #2 starter in his prime or younger. We have seen the Sale contract bomb, due to age and wear and tear. We also picked up Paxton and have yet to see any return on that investment. Another $10 Mil of essentially dead money this year. Again, I prefer younger, even if we have to pay the freight.

 

 

 

 

It was odd to trade Vazquez but Eovaldi or Martinez. But:

 

1. Was anyone interested in meeting Bloom’s price? Or interested at all? For all the wild flurry of moves that happen at the deadline each year, the fact is the majority of trade candidates with expiring contracts stay put.

 

2. Neither Eovaldi nor Martinez have been particularly good this year. Vazquez was a far more desirable candidate.

 

3. Maybe much like with Bogaerts, the goal wasn’t so much to unload them but to keep players the Sox want to negotiate with. (I hope not. I see very little worth bringing back.)

[Jasonbay44]

It seems the biggest loss from the 2021 team is Martin Perez. Yes, even bigger than Renfroe.

 

I guess is to blame for that, too.

 

I highly doubt he would of had this type of season in Boston, and it’s not like anyone saw him finally having a really good year at age 31.

[notin]

Maybe they are counting Schwarber and Iggys as part of the deconstruction, and maybe Bloom should be blamed for guessing Perez's best season wrongly.

 

Maybe he should have brought Richards, Marwin and Andriese back, instead of Wacha, Hill, Strahm and Robles.

 

Oh I’m sure some of the criticisms reach those levels.

 

Schwarber appears to be the actual biggest loss from the 2021 team. Much more so than the largely fungible Renfroe, who seems to be an annual non-tender candidate. Small market Milwaukee will have an uncomfortable decision to make themselves. (Renfroe makes $7.6 mill this year and is looking at a $10-12 mill salary in 2023. Christian Yelich, at $26mill, is the only Brewer making more than $8.5mill.)

Edited August 7, 2022 by notin