Fire Bloom .

[notin]

I think most everyone knows that JH has the checkbook, but Bloom is the one who made the actual trade. Some posters on here think Bloom is Boy Wonder from the day he arrived in Boston, but others think Bloom is Boy Blunder, and I don’t think either side is going to change their mind.

 

I also don’t see anyone saying what was the better option for Betts.

 

Dodger trade? Padres trade? Keep him for one more year and Price at full cost for 3?

 

There were no other options…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I also don’t see anyone saying what was the better option for Betts.

 

Dodger trade? Padres trade? Keep him for one more year and Price at full cost for 3?

 

There were no other options…

 

In reality you are correct, but in the fantasy minds of SOX fans there were better options. You'll never win an argument with someone whose mind is filled with incense and peppermint.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Change the above to 'some SOX fans.' Edited July 31, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[notin]

Bloom got lulled into a false sense of security with last season’s success. 2021 team was a very poorly constructed and fundamentally weak team. It had bad defense, a pitching rotation full of holes and a bullpen lacking arms. Shockingly, they started off very hot, then they were in a tailspin but the acquisition of Schwarber and the return of Sale helped pull them out of the nosedive and then they got collectively hot. Kike was red hot and had a career month in late September and October. Those hot streaks masked the weaknesses of the team which Bloom failed to address in the offseason and the result has been disastrous. He deserves to be fired.

 

 

The Sox had a stellar bullpen until some doppelgänger kidnapped Barnes and took his place on the team…

[Larry Cook]

Plenty of injuries there were, but this team came out of the gate lifeless, and listless.

 

A bizarre spring training routine knowing that spring training was going to be abbreviated will do that to your team. That’s on Cora not Hang’em Chaim.

[Old Red]

A bizarre spring training routine knowing that spring training was going to be abbreviated will do that to your team. That’s on Cora not Hang’em Chaim.

 

Never said it was, but the team was not injury riddled then, so I’d say it was more on Cora. The lowball offers before the season started to Raffy, and Bogey was on Bloom.

[moonslav59]

The Sox had a stellar bullpen until some doppelgänger kidnapped Barnes and took his place on the team…

 

Cora and Bloom should have foreseen the Barnes implosion and had the next Uehara on the closer depth chart, instead of Ottavino.

 

It's all on them.

 

Fire Cora.

Fire Bloom.

Fire Henry.

 

Let's make the Sox great, again.

 

Back to the 70's, 80's and 90's!

[Old Red]

Cora and Bloom should have foreseen the Barnes implosion and had the next Uehara on the closer depth chart, instead of Ottavino.

 

It's all on them.

 

Fire Cora.

Fire Bloom.

Fire Henry.

 

Let's make the Sox great, again.

 

Back to the 70's, 80's and 90's!

 

Slop in the morning. Slop in the afternoon, slop in the evening, and slop 24 hours a day. The gift that keeps on giving.

[MADSTORK]

Don't expect an answer.

 

Thanks for mentioning the Padres offer. I do recall som ething about that, at the time.

 

There was also Graterol or indirectly Maeda aspects of the deal that was made.

 

To go so far overboard on Bloom's role in the Betts/Price deal still baffles me. The 2020 budget disallowed Betts & Price being on it, let alone adding anyone else. To expect Bloom to work a miracle is plainly absurd, but here we see absurdity abound... not as much as radio talk shows, I might add. (Snicker-snicker)

 

You keep on drinking the Kool aid 59, can Henry get you another glass

Again, What f##king budget?

 

Ownership took in 500 plus million in 2019 you mean to tell me they couldn’t have moved money around or perhaps traded other players to extend Betts?

 

Betts at the moment is a bargain especially if the Nationals hand Soto 38 per which is what he is asking for to stay in DC

[MADSTORK]

When Hang’em Chaim took over, our farm system was among the worst.

 

Now it is middle of the pack.

 

Last year we came two games away from the World Series and this year, we were decimated by injuries.

 

Lmao

Name one prospect Orlando traded for in the Betts AB Renfro deals that will make an impact on the current roster? You can’t

Garbage trades for productive ML hitters

 

Put that in resume

[MADSTORK]

When Hang’em Chaim took over, our farm system was among the worst.

 

Now it is middle of the pack.

 

Last year we came two games away from the World Series and this year, we were decimated by injuries.

 

Lmao

Name one prospect Orlando traded for in the Betts AB Renfro deals that will make an impact on the current roster? You can’t

Garbage trades for productive ML hitters

 

Put that on a resume

[Old Red]

Cora and Bloom should have foreseen the Barnes implosion and had the next Uehara on the closer depth chart, instead of Ottavino.

 

It's all on them.

 

Fire Cora.

Fire Bloom.

Fire Henry.

 

Let's make the Sox great, again.

 

Back to the 70's, 80's and 90's!

 

Does this mean you won’t be doing your daily wild card standing updates anymore like you were doing during the FANTASY month of June? Hilarious! I guess there isn’t any sense in watching a mess like this anymore.

[Hitch]

It sometimes feels like one tragic individual has several profiles on this site.

[Bellhorn04]

I think you totally underestimate how much time is required to oversee a 5 billion dollar asset even for so called hands off owner. I think every organization in baseball sets a dollar amount of expenditure which require ownership approval. I think MLB rules require it.

Ultimately the owner has responsibility for everything his team does.

 

Okay, but all everyone is really bitching about is the spending on players. And that part doesn't take much time.

[Elktonnick]

Okay, but all everyone is really bitching about is the spending on players. And that part doesn't take much time.

Of course it does. No sane individual who has amassed a multi billion dllr fortune is going to give a blank check to a subordinate. There is something called due diligence. Moreover Henry may have the largest stake in the Red Sox but he is not the sole investor. He does have a fiduciary responsibility to his partners.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Sox had a stellar bullpen until some doppelgänger kidnapped Barnes and took his place on the team…

 

I went to a Double A game the other night, and Barnes broke out. It was the 4th inning -- so low leverage -- and minor leaguers ripped away at his 94 mph fastball. He did hit 97 once... but every breaking ball bounced in the dirt. Still figuring things out...

[Bellhorn04]

Of course it does. No sane individual who has amassed a multi billion dllr fortune is going to give a blank check to a subordinate. There is something called due diligence. Moreover Henry may have the largest stake in the Red Sox but he is not the sole investor. He does have a fiduciary responsibility to his partners.

 

Yes, I know all that, and that it has a lot to do with why the payroll has limits.

 

But I have yet to hear any credible explanation for why Henry's other interests are impacting the Red Sox.

[moonslav59]

Yes, I know all that, and that it has a lot to do with why the payroll has limits.

 

But I have yet to hear any credible explanation for why Henry's other interests are impacting the Red Sox.

 

Since Henry has gone through 1-3 year lulls in new spending several times, I think it's impossible to know that this is not just one of those times or something deeper.

 

IMO, Henry will spend large, again, and it seems obvious to me, why this is not the time to do so.

[Bellhorn04]

Since Henry has gone through 1-3 year lulls in new spending several times, I think it's impossible to know that this is not just one of those times or something deeper.

 

IMO, Henry will spend large, again, and it seems obvious to me, why this is not the time to do so.

 

The payroll is $242 million for tax purposes this year. That's the second-highest in team history after 2019.

 

Much of that is "old spending" obviously, but that's how it works when you sign guys to big contracts. They stick around a while.

[notin]

The payroll is $242 million for tax purposes this year. That's the second-highest in team history after 2019.

 

Much of that is "old spending" obviously, but that's how it works when you sign guys to big contracts. They stick around a while.

 

 

And that’s why I repeatedly fail since these long term deals.

 

Betts, Bogaerts and Devers have been the only players to deserve one since Lester…

[Kimmi]

If Henry dumped Bloom in the offseason, but extended Xander and Raffy nobody would complain.

 

I most definitely would.

[jad]

I most definitely would.

 

In all seriousness, why? Bec. you want either Devers or Bogey gone? Or bec. you don't think Bloom has been given a chance? (I don't think you mean because signing D and B would be a great feather in his cap, but I don't know.)

 

(I assume MVPs point is that most fans are attached to players rather than GMs.

Edited July 31, 2022 by jad

[Kimmi]

Bloom got lulled into a false sense of security with last season’s success. 2021 team was a very poorly constructed and fundamentally weak team. It had bad defense, a pitching rotation full of holes and a bullpen lacking arms. Shockingly, they started off very hot, then they were in a tailspin but the acquisition of Schwarber and the return of Sale helped pull them out of the nosedive and then they got collectively hot. Kike was red hot and had a career month in late September and October. Those hot streaks masked the weaknesses of the team which Bloom failed to address in the offseason and the result has been disastrous. He deserves to be fired.

 

I don't think Bloom got lulled into anything. His priority is still long term sustainability. In the meantime, he is putting together contending teams without going "all in". It worked very well last year. This year, not so much. Most of the success, or lack thereof, is related to how healthy the two teams have been.

 

If we were playing at mostly full health, I'm willing to bet we would still be leading the wildcard race. At the very least, we'd be one of the 3 wildcard teams.

 

I am not at all unhappy with what Bloom did this past offseason, outside of not adding another outfielder. That didn't make much sense to me.

[Kimmi]

When Hang’em Chaim took over, our farm system was among the worst.

 

Now it is middle of the pack.

 

Last year we came two games away from the World Series and this year, we were decimated by injuries.

 

You speak the truth Larry!

[Kimmi]

In all seriousness, why? Bec. you want either Devers or Bogey gone? Or bec. you don't think Bloom has been given a chance? (I don't think you mean because signing D and B would be a great feather in his cap, but I don't know.)

 

(I assume MVPs point is that most fans are attached to players rather than GMs.

 

1. I am a huge fan of Bloom's way of doing business.

2. I would love to have both Bogaerts and Devers back, but I have stated repeatedly that I would not pay either of them what they are asking for. IMO, both have to be willing to leave some money on the table in order to return. I know most people strongly disagree with that.

3. For any GM, I would not consider signing a superstar to the most money a feather in his cap. Seriously, I could do that.

4. No, I don't think Bloom has been given a chance yet. It's a long term plan. It takes time.

5. Ultimately, fans are attached to the team, not the individual players or the GM. I think Bloom is the right guy.

[Old Red]

You speak the truth Larry!

 

I’ll give you the injury excuse to a small extent, but that’s all. The only time the Red Sox have played well this year was going against the weak AL west who were even weaker when the Sox played them Seattle was not as good then as they are now, and the Angels were on a 15 game losing streak. The Red Sox came out of the gate going 10-19, and they were healthy then, so don’t blame the whole season on the injury excuse. That is the truth.

[Kimmi]

I’ll give you the injury excuse to a small extent, but that’s all. The only time the Red Sox have played well this year was going against the weak AL west who were even weaker when the Sox played them Seattle was not as good then as they are now, and the Angels were on a 15 game losing streak. The Red Sox came out of the gate going 10-19, and they were healthy then, so don’t blame the whole season on the injury excuse. That is the truth.

 

No, the whole season can't be blamed on injuries. Much of it does have to do with strength of schedule. But if the Sox were healthy, even playing against the stronger teams, do you think they'd have a winning percentage of .269 in the month of July? That is worse than a team of replacement players would theoretically play.

[Bellhorn04]

I’ll give you the injury excuse to a small extent, but that’s all. The only time the Red Sox have played well this year was going against the weak AL west who were even weaker when the Sox played them Seattle was not as good then as they are now, and the Angels were on a 15 game losing streak. The Red Sox came out of the gate going 10-19, and they were healthy then, so don’t blame the whole season on the injury excuse. That is the truth.

 

I don't disagree.

[Old Red]

No, the whole season can't be blamed on injuries. Much of it does have to do with strength of schedule. But if the Sox were healthy, even playing against the stronger teams, do you think they'd have a winning percentage of .269 in the month of July? That is worse than a team of replacement players would theoretically play.

 

Or a team with no wins by a starting pitcher. What pct was 10-19?

[moonslav59]

The payroll is $242 million for tax purposes this year. That's the second-highest in team history after 2019.

 

Much of that is "old spending" obviously, but that's how it works when you sign guys to big contracts. They stick around a while.

 

No doubt.

 

I’m talking about seeing reductions in winter spending as well as overall budget declines that have occurred often under Henry. Sometimes just one, sometimes both and sometimes for 2-3 year stretches.