Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

You can like it or not like it , but Bloom is going to be remembered as the.guy who.traded Mookie. That is not something I would want on my record.

 

So, his best choice would have been to not accept the Sox GM job.

[notin]

Now, it's all about ignoring the past.

 

Seriously, imagine DD trying to build up from the 2019 team with the 2020 and 2021 winter spending budgets.

 

I suppose we could imagine him trading Casas, Rafaela, Bello and others and had a better team than we had, but right off the bat, how could he have reached the 2020 budget with Betts and Price still on the roster? How could he add even more pieces? Does he pick Whitlock on Rule 5?

 

I'm not saying Bloom is beyond criticism or undeserving of it, but ignoring the context or the severity of that context is easier to do for some than others.

 

 

Bloom gets criticized even by his supporters. Dgalehouse lives in a fantasy world.

 

The only thing I liked about the Story contract was it dispelled (or should have) the Tampa North rhetoric. Beyond that, I stand by my assessment that Story is an expensive Paul DeJong…

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom gets criticized even by his supporters. Dgalehouse lives in a fantasy world.

 

The only thing I liked about the Story contract was it dispelled (or should have) the Tampa North rhetoric. Beyond that, I stand by my assessment that Story is an expensive Paul DeJong…

 

The problem is you don't put enough invective into your criticisms of Bloom.

[notin]

And I think even on Talksox, if we took a poll on which individual is most responsible for Mookie being gone, Henry would win decisively.

 

I think Mookie himself is a prime candidate. There was plenty of buzz that he was adamant in his desire to test free agency, and turning down a 10 year $300mill contract certainly lends support…

[notin]

The problem is you don't put enough invective into your criticisms of Bloom.

 

Ok, but I also don’t redefine what success is just because I like a certain GM..

[moonslav59]

Actually he did pretty well when you look at the history of these superstar deals. He had three options.

 

1. The Dodgers package headlined by Verdugo

2. The Padres package that included Wil Myers, Joey Lucchesi and (I think) Cal Quantrill

3. Hold Mookie for one 60 game season on a team that eventually lost Chris Sale and would not have had Price on the mound, but would still be paying him $31million today.

 

What was the right choice?

 

Don't expect an answer.

 

Thanks for mentioning the Padres offer. I do recall som ething about that, at the time.

 

There was also Graterol or indirectly Maeda aspects of the deal that was made.

 

To go so far overboard on Bloom's role in the Betts/Price deal still baffles me. The 2020 budget disallowed Betts & Price being on it, let alone adding anyone else. To expect Bloom to work a miracle is plainly absurd, but here we see absurdity abound... not as much as radio talk shows, I might add. (Snicker-snicker)

[moonslav59]

It's possible we could have gotten more talent if the Dodgers didn't take on $45 million of Price's money.

 

As I recall, most of the CDA's thought the Price aspect of the trade was a net wash. (LOL!)

[notin]

The problem is you don't put enough invective into your criticisms of Bloom.

 

Wait a second. I compared and still compare a nine-figure contract to a player who spent almost all of this season in AAA, and that ISNT ENOUGH INVECTIVE??!?

[Bellhorn04]

The only thing I liked about the Story contract was it dispelled (or should have) the Tampa North rhetoric. Beyond that, I stand by my assessment that Story is an expensive Paul DeJong…

 

Story has 23.3 fWAR in 826 games, or 4.23 per 150 games.

DeJong has 8.7 fWAR in 564 games, or 2.32 per 150 games.

 

According to FanGraphs, Story is 183% as good.

[notin]

From what we heard the Padres were the only other team in play.

 

It's possible we could have gotten more talent if the Dodgers didn't take on $45 million of Price's money.

 

 

Probably. He could have gotten better prospects and still had an overall worse team. But those pundits might have given him a C+, and that’s all that matters to some people.

 

And we all know that what this team needed was more David Price these last 3 years.

 

(Also if he didn’t move Price, he would have had to move Bogaerts. This trade was all about money, not prospects.)

[Bellhorn04]

Probably. He could have gotten better prospects and still had an overall worse team. But those pundits might have given him a C+, and that’s all that matters to some people.

 

And we all know that what this team needed was more David Price these last 3 years.

 

(Also if he didn’t move Price, he would have had to move Bogaerts. This trade was all about money, not prospects.)

 

And Verdugo was coming off a pretty strong 23 year old season. I remember 700hitter saying we were dreaming if we thought we were going to get Verdugo in the deal.

[notin]

Story has 23.3 fWAR in 826 games, or 4.23 per 150 games.

DeJong has 8.7 fWAR in 564 games, or 2.32 per 150 games.

 

According to FanGraphs, Story is 183% as good.

 

Fair, although my point was largely sarcastic as Story’s offense did have an unfair advantage.

 

And the pay discrepancy is far greater than 183%. Probably closer to 500%…

[notin]

And Verdugo was coming off a pretty strong 23 year old season. I remember 700hitter saying we were dreaming if we thought we were going to get Verdugo in the deal.

 

I questioned why Verdugo at the time, but it made sense for LA since he was clearly being replaced by Betts.

 

But the real dreamers were the pundits at MLB.com and other various publications who seemed to think 1 season of a $25mill OF would get us Gavin Lux, Dustin May, and others…

[Bellhorn04]

Fair, although my point was largely sarcastic as Story’s offense did have an unfair advantage.

 

And the pay discrepancy is far greater than 183%. Probably closer to 500%…

 

Isn't Park Factor reflected in fWAR? Or did I ask that already?

[notin]

Isn't Park Factor reflected in fWAR? Or did I ask that already?

 

 

I don’t think it is.

 

It is reflected in OPS+, but it’s not really eliminated anywhere…

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think it is.

 

It is reflected in OPS+, but it’s not really eliminated anywhere…

 

A quick glance indicates they do adjust Batting Runs for Park Factor.

 

https://library.fangraphs.com/war/war-position-players/

[vjcsmoke]

I think Mookie himself is a prime candidate. There was plenty of buzz that he was adamant in his desire to test free agency, and turning down a 10 year $300mill contract certainly lends support…

 

I'm pretty sure it came out recently that Mookie would have accepted the Red Sox offer if they matched the Dodgers. Mookie wanted to stay with Boston, he just wanted to get paid what he was worth. It was the Red Sox and Chaim Bloom who decided to let him go.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/07/mookie-betts-says-if-boston-red-sox-offered-him-the-deal-dodgers-gave-him-he-would-have-accepted-it-report.html

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Unlike most GM's Bloom isn't perfect.

Here's some things I can't blame Bloom for:

Kike failing as a lead-off batter.

Bogey being unproductive.

JD being unproductive.

Dalbec's promise of being productive this season, but wasn't.

The trade for JBJ. I still believe Cora was the main factor in wanting JBJ back.(JBJ's amount of undeserved playing time i think supports my belief)

The plethora of injuries, especially to the pitching staff.

And being limited on what he could spend.

Edited July 30, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

I'm pretty sure it came out recently that Mookie would have accepted the Red Sox offer if they matched the Dodgers. Mookie wanted to stay with Boston, he just wanted to get paid what he was worth. It was the Red Sox and Chaim Bloom who decided to let him go.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/07/mookie-betts-says-if-boston-red-sox-offered-him-the-deal-dodgers-gave-him-he-would-have-accepted-it-report.html

 

Bloom was given a tight budget in 2020 and 21.

Betts and Price would not fit.

 

I just don’t get blaming Bloom for having to trade Betts.

 

There is so many other things to bash him over.

Edited July 30, 2022 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Unlike most GM's Bloom isn't perfect.

Here's some things I can't blame Bloom for:

Kike failing as a lead-off batter.

Bogey being unproductive.

JD being unproductive.

Dalbec's promise of being productive this season, but wasn't.

The trade for JBJ. I still believe Cora was the main factor in wanting JBJ back.(JBJ's amount of undeserved playing time i think supports my belief)

The plethora of injuries, especially to the pitching staff.

And being limited on what he could spend.

 

The Casas injury made the Dalbec choice stand out more.

The Sale finger injury was the final straw, IMO.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Unlike most GM's Bloom isn't perfect.

Here's some things I can't blame Bloom for:

Kike failing as a lead-off batter.

Bogey being unproductive.

JD being unproductive.

Dalbec's promise of being productive this season, but wasn't.

The trade for JBJ. I still believe Cora was the main factor in wanting JBJ back.(JBJ's amount of undeserved playing time i think supports my belief)

The plethora of injuries, especially to the pitching staff.

And being limited on what he could spend.

 

Still paying salaries to players not on the SOX who were acquired by other GM's.

[moonslav59]

Still paying salaries to players not on the SOX who were acquired by other GM's.

 

What’s the combined WAR of Sale, Price, Bogey, JD and Eovaldi? These are our highest paid players, who represent about half our spending budget.

Did Bloom sign them?

No wait, we can’t talk about the past anymore.

[vjcsmoke]

Unlike most GM's Bloom isn't perfect.

Here's some things I can't blame Bloom for:

Kike failing as a lead-off batter.

Bogey being unproductive.

JD being unproductive.

Dalbec's promise of being productive this season, but wasn't.

The trade for JBJ. I still believe Cora was the main factor in wanting JBJ back.(JBJ's amount of undeserved playing time i think supports my belief)

The plethora of injuries, especially to the pitching staff.

And being limited on what he could spend.

 

Let me translate.

All GMs are not perfect. Duh. There's no perfect GM.

You don't blame Bloom for ANY of his mistakes.

Roger that.

 

GM's don't need to take responsibility for their mistakes. The fans must EXCUSE them all!

 

SMH. I didn't know that GM SIMPING was a thing. But I guess there's always one.

 

Trade deadline is coming up. Red Sox are a sinking ship and that GM that you hold blameless for every mistake he's made? Well he put together this team. Let's see if he can fix it. Balls in your court, Bloom! What are you gonna do now?

 

Just please don't get FLEECED as badly as you did in the Betts and Renfroe trades. Is that too much to ask? For you not to BUNGLE again the trades that matter the most?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The Casas injury made the Dalbec choice stand out more.

The Sale finger injury was the final straw, IMO.

 

There's absolutely no reason at this point not to bring Casas to Boston ASAP.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Let me translate.

All GMs are not perfect. Duh. There's no perfect GM.

You don't blame Bloom for ANY of his mistakes.

Roger that.

 

GM's don't need to take responsibility for their mistakes. The fans must EXCUSE them all!

 

SMH. I didn't know that GM SIMPING was a thing. But I guess there's always one.

 

Trade deadline is coming up. Red Sox are a sinking ship and that GM that you hold blameless for every mistake he's made? Well he put together this team. Let's see if he can fix it. Balls in your court, Bloom! What are you gonna do now?

 

Just please don't get FLEECED as badly as you did in the Betts and Renfroe trades. Is that too much to ask? For you not to BUNGLE again the trades that matter the most?

 

Your reading comprehension stinks, but I blame that on the failure of our public school system.

[JDavis76]

Don’t feed the trolls. He will just respond with more falsehoods, made up stats and alternative facts.

 

He even contradicts himself, often in the same post.

 

You just described many of your own posts.......

[vjcsmoke]

Your reading comprehension stinks, but I blame that on the failure of our public school system.

 

Translation. Simping for Bloom CONFIRMED.

 

FACT - Red Sox are in last place in the AL East.

FACT - Red Sox gave up 28 runs.

FACT - Red Sox have one of the worst hitting Outfields in the MLB.

FACT - Chaim Bloom put this team together thanks to his moves.

FACT - Simps will Simp.

Edited July 30, 2022 by vjcsmoke

[dgalehouse]

All GMs deal with various problems. Excuses can always be made. The fact is that this is Bloom's third year at the helm . The Sox are in the cellar , 18 games behind the Yankees . There is just no getting around that.

[JDavis76]

Sit down, stand down and stand by.

 

paxlovoid.......

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Translation. Simping for Bloom CONFIRMED.

 

FACT - Red Sox are in last place in the AL East.

FACT - Red Sox gave up 28 runs.

FACT - Red Sox have one of the worst hitting Outfields in the MLB.

FACT - Chaim Bloom put this team together thanks to his moves.

FACT - Simps will Simp.

 

I refuse to argue with you. No satisfaction can be gained by confronting a moron.