Fire Bloom .

[mvp 78]

But with over 30 games to play it is more plausible than the crap team we have out there now.

 

That’s just hope.

[harmony]

Sammy Farge was doing a good job delivering the newspaper. So we put him in charge of the newsroom. It didn't work out.

That was my early career path.

[Bellhorn04]

No doubt.

 

Part of me wonders if the Story signing was an after thought or reactionary move, but no matter what, not getting under the limit at the deadline has to be viewed as a major mistake. Worse than the Renfroe trade? Maybe.

 

To me the Story signing seems like a case of "you can't win". People beeched about the lack of big signings and when they finally did one, they beeched about the signing.

[Old Red]

Oh THAT is hindsight.

 

I was saying they need another OF back in April, which was real time, and a real 1B in July, so call it what you want.

[Old Red]

To me the Story signing seems like a case of "you can't win". People beeched about the lack of big signings and when they finally did one, they beeched about the signing.

 

I said it at the time, and I think the same now that JH did it just to appease the fans. Just an opinion.

[Elktonnick]

Theo had no experience as a GM when the Sox hired him either.

 

If you always go with experienced guys you basically have to get someone who was just fired by another team, like DD.

Yes experience is way over rated. It is always better to go with unproven talent than someone who has a track record of success elsewhere.

If I am running a multi.million dollar business I always would hire a young accountant to do my taxes instead of an experienceed CPA because IRS audits are so much fun.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes experience is way over rated. It is always better to go with unproven talent than someone who has a track record of success elsewhere.

If I am running a multi.million dollar business I always would hire a young accountant to do my taxes instead of an experienceed CPA because IRS audits are so much fun.

 

Way to gloss over the point about Theo. You're good at that, I find.

[Elktonnick]

That’s just hope.

That's Bloom's plan.

[moonslav59]

If they had Renfroe and Hosmer on 4/1, this team is what 10 games back instead of 17?

 

We started the season with a young 1Bman who had an OPS over .800 in his first 600 PAs. We had our best prospect, who happened to be ML ready as the 3rd string 1Bman behind Dalbec & Shaw.

 

The position went into the gutter, immediately, but it takes a while to make the decision to make a change, and it seemed like just when Casas was going to get the call, he got hurt in late May. The Cordero experiment was an utter failure.

 

I think it's fair to criticize Bloom for not scouring the trade lines to find some 1Bman, despite the norm being against May and June trades. I'm not sure, if they held out hope that Dalbec would heat up, like he did, last year or that Casas's injury took longer to heal than the expected, but whatever the reason, the 1B position was horrific. (BTW, Hosmer has not been great, either.)

 

I don't see 1B as a major failure on Bloom. I think the plan was sound: it just failed. I guess all player failures are the GM's fault to some posters, but on this one, I only give Bloom partial blame.

[Old Red]

That's Bloom's plan.

 

And some on here. Hope that Bloom’s suspects will turn into something, and hope the team will be better in 2024, or 2025.

[moonslav59]

To me the Story signing seems like a case of "you can't win". People beeched about the lack of big signings and when they finally did one, they beeched about the signing.

 

True, but my point was about which was worse? Renfroe or not getting under the tax line at the deadline.

[Elktonnick]

Way to gloss over the point about Theo. You're good at that, I find.

No it is just making the point to show how ludicrous your argument was. Who actually ran the Red Sox during Theo's time, according to John Henry.

[Bellhorn04]

No it is just making the point to show how ludicrous your argument was. Who actually ran the Red Sox during Theo's time, according to John Henry.

 

Nice gibberish.

[Bellhorn04]

True, but my point was about which was worse? Renfroe or not getting under the tax line at the deadline.

 

Seems like a meaningless comparison to me.

 

They didn't get under the tax line at the deadline because they thought the team still had a shot with Sale and Wacha coming back.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We started the season with a young 1Bman who had an OPS over .800 in his first 600 PAs. We had our best prospect, who happened to be ML ready as the 3rd string 1Bman behind Dalbec & Shaw.

 

The position went into the gutter, immediately, but it takes a while to make the decision to make a change, and it seemed like just when Casas was going to get the call, he got hurt in late May. The Cordero experiment was an utter failure.

 

I think it's fair to criticize Bloom for not scouring the trade lines to find some 1Bman, despite the norm being against May and June trades. I'm not sure, if they held out hope that Dalbec would heat up, like he did, last year or that Casas's injury took longer to heal than the expected, but whatever the reason, the 1B position was horrific. (BTW, Hosmer has not been great, either.)

 

I don't see 1B as a major failure on Bloom. I think the plan was sound: it just failed. I guess all player failures are the GM's fault to some posters, but on this one, I only give Bloom partial blame.

 

By the end of June -- when the Red Sox were successful -- plenty of us knew (and posted) that reinforcements were needed to survive the upcoming brutal July schedule. It was clear there was no way they could wait until the last minutes of the trade deadline this year.

 

Unfortunately for both fans and the big league players, the moves and non-moves made by Bloom told all of us how the front office felt about the 2022 Red Sox going forward.

[Elktonnick]

Nice gibberish.

 

It is gibberish because you are too obtuse to get the point that John Henry never gave Epstein full authority over baseball operations. Epstein was Lucchino"s protege who according John Henry was the person who ran the Red Sox. Every thing that Epstein did in those early years was approved by Lucchino. In short Epstein learned baseball operations from Larry Lucchino.

[Bellhorn04]

It is gibberish because you are too obtuse to get the point that John Henry never gave Epstein full authority over baseball operations. Epstein was Lucchino"s protege who according John Henry was the person who ran the Red Sox. Every thing that Epstein did in those early years was approved by Lucchino. In short Epstein learned baseball operations from Larry Lucchino.

 

You know this how?

[Elktonnick]

Nice gibberish.

 

You know this how?

Do the research it is well documented

[dgalehouse]

Since Bloom shipped up to Boston, the Rays have gotten better. The Red Sox have gotten worse.

[Bellhorn04]

Do the research it is well documented

 

Nonsense.

[Bellhorn04]

Since Bloom shipped up to Boston, the Rays have gotten better.

 

Nope.

 

Rays were 96-66 in 2019. They're 69-55 in 2022.

[Elktonnick]

Nice gibberish.

 

Nonsense.

What is nonsense is that you do not know Epstein',s history with Lucchino or John Henry's relationship with both.

[Bellhorn04]

What is nonsense is that you do not know Epstein',s history with Lucchino or John Henry's relationship with both.

 

I know plenty, and I know you don't mind making stuff up.

[Old Red]

We started the season with a young 1Bman who had an OPS over .800 in his first 600 PAs. We had our best prospect, who happened to be ML ready as the 3rd string 1Bman behind Dalbec & Shaw.

 

The position went into the gutter, immediately, but it takes a while to make the decision to make a change, and it seemed like just when Casas was going to get the call, he got hurt in late May. The Cordero experiment was an utter failure.

 

I think it's fair to criticize Bloom for not scouring the trade lines to find some 1Bman, despite the norm being against May and June trades. I'm not sure, if they held out hope that Dalbec would heat up, like he did, last year or that Casas's injury took longer to heal than the expected, but whatever the reason, the 1B position was horrific. (BTW, Hosmer has not been great, either.)

 

I don't see 1B as a major failure on Bloom. I think the plan was sound: it just failed. I guess all player failures are the GM's fault to some posters, but on this one, I only give Bloom partial blame.

 

Who said anything about Casas being called up in May? I agree with you that Bloom just sat around even as you say 1B went into the gutter immediately, and did nothing. Mr. Indecisive. Mr. Coming to the fork in the road, and looking for the third option Bloom. So let me get this straight even if the team need help at the time, because it was against the so called norm to make a trade in May, and June Bloom couldn’t do anything? What a load of crap that is, and just another load to make more excuses for Bloom. Come on man!

[Bellhorn04]

Tell you what, Nick, show us one credible source that confirms every move Theo made in those "early years" was approved by Lucchino. Just one.

[Old Red]

By the end of June -- when the Red Sox were successful -- plenty of us knew (and posted) that reinforcements were needed to survive the upcoming brutal July schedule. It was clear there was no way they could wait until the last minutes of the trade deadline this year.

 

Unfortunately for both fans and the big league players, the moves and non-moves made by Bloom told all of us how the front office felt about the 2022 Red Sox going forward.

Going further down in the standings is more like it.

[dgalehouse]

Nope.

 

Rays were 96-66 in 2019. They're 69-55 in 2022.

 

Finished second in 2019. First in 2020 (World Series appearance). First in 2021. Currently 2nd. Sox - Third in 2019. Last in 2020. Tied for second in 2021. Currently last.

[Elktonnick]

Do your own research. Lucchino hired Epstein as interim GM. Larry was President. No corporate president gives an interim GM unilateral authority.

[moonslav59]

Seems like a meaningless comparison to me.

 

They didn't get under the tax line at the deadline because they thought the team still had a shot with Sale and Wacha coming back.

 

I understand why, but wondered what you felt was the bigger mistake- even in hindsight.

[moonslav59]

By the end of June -- when the Red Sox were successful -- plenty of us knew (and posted) that reinforcements were needed to survive the upcoming brutal July schedule. It was clear there was no way they could wait until the last minutes of the trade deadline this year.

 

Unfortunately for both fans and the big league players, the moves and non-moves made by Bloom told all of us how the front office felt about the 2022 Red Sox going forward.

 

You do i know, it takes two to trade, right?

 

It is extremely difficult to make significant trades before July, and the 3rd WC slot might have made it even harder.

 

I'm not saying it was impossible, and usually decent 1Bmen are plentiful, but for all we know, Bloom tried hard but could not pry any from anyone. If he could have and didn't, then I'll agree: big mistake.