Fire Bloom .

[notin]

I see no problems with that. Epstein was just starting out. Lucchino was a seasoned sports executive with a World Series ring, Super Bowl ring, and Final Four watch to his credit. And Epstein was clearly willing to listen because he knew he didn’t know how to run an MLB franchise.

 

Yep, even Epstein could admit that. Humility is very important…[/QUO

But in the end Epstein turned on his benefactor now didn't he?

The whole saga has a certain Shakespearen quality.

 

I’m sure someone mentored Lucchino at one point in his career.

 

But yes, Epstein was the interim GM until Bill Beane declined the offer and decided to stay in Oakland

[Elktonnick]

Nice gibberish.

 

 

I’m sure someone mentored Lucchino at one point in his career.

 

But yes, Epstein was the interim GM until Bill Beane declined the offer and decided to stay in Oakland

 

Edward Bennett Williams was Larry's mentor

[moonslav59]

What mistake Scarecrow?

 

Typical

[Elktonnick]

Nice gibberish.

 

Typical

Great retort. Did you think of that yourself or did you research it.

[moonslav59]

Great retort. Did you think of that yourself or did you research it.

 

Sure, Skippy.

[Elktonnick]

Nice gibberish.

 

Sure, Skippy.

Two in row. And only two words. Good Job!

[moonslav59]

Two in row. And only two words. Good Job!

 

Typical, Skippy.

[Elktonnick]

Typical, Skippy.

 

now you are repeating yourself. best stick to your endless stats.

[moonslav59]

now you are repeating yourself. best stick to your endless stats.

 

Sure, Skippy.

[Elktonnick]

Sure, Skippy.

See above

[moonslav59]

See above

 

Typical, Skippy

[Elktonnick]

Typical, Skippy

I can see that getting the last word is so important to you that you are prepared to make an ass of yourself. So go ahead I won't play anymore. So take your blinky and go night night

[Maxbialystock]

Kike was overrated by his hot streak in the postseason last year, and no I’m not judging him just on last year as you know I have referred to him on previous post as a good utility man, so to say 1 year is not true just like you said I didn’t like fWAR, or any of the others. I have said I don’t need it, and don’t care about it.

 

Forget the hot streak. His WAR for last season was 4.9 with 20 dingers and an OPS of .786. His career OPS is 735. He's an excellent centerfielder and not too shabby in the infield. I see him as an everyday player for the Sox if only because no one else comes close to him in centerfield and certainly not Duran. Kike is 31, which is a consideration.

[moonslav59]

I can see that getting the last word is so important to you that you are prepared to make an ass of yourself. So go ahead I won't play anymore. So take your blinky and go night night

 

G'night, Skippy.

[Maxbialystock]

Forget the hot streak. His WAR for last season was 4.9 with 20 dingers and an OPS of .786. His career OPS is 735. He's an excellent centerfielder and not too shabby in the infield. I see him as an everyday player for the Sox if only because no one else comes close to him in centerfield and certainly not Duran. Kike is 31, which is a consideration.

 

About the WAR of 4.9. Kike's DWAR last year was 2.1, highest on the team. We would all prefer a great hitting centerfielder, but, when you don't have one, a good fielding CF is a good second choice.

[moonslav59]

Forget the hot streak. His WAR for last season was 4.9 with 20 dingers and an OPS of .786. His career OPS is 735. He's an excellent centerfielder and not too shabby in the infield. I see him as an everyday player for the Sox if only because no one else comes close to him in centerfield and certainly not Duran. Kike is 31, which is a consideration.

 

It wasn't Kike's fault they kept him leading off, too long, and it was also more than a hot streak, when we needed it most. His last 80 games of the season, which is not a small sample size, he hit ...

 

.267 15 44, and get this, 39 xbhs in 303 ABs. An .874 OPS is not something to take lightly. When he started heating up on June 19th, the team was 15 over .500, but the season was far from a cinch, as we all remember. We ended up 22 over .500. Kike hit .900 that last series vs WSH and had a homer.

 

He's not a great hitter, and he's had some up years and down years, but with his stellar defense at more than one position and a .738 career OPS (.744 previous 4 seasons), when we signed him, I thought and still do, $7M x 2 was a good signing.

 

I hope we can get him to take another similar deal, this winter.

[moonslav59]

Posted this on another thread, but then it got me thinking about all the Bloom additions...

 

Before tonight's game...

 

Top Sox OPS+ (Rank in PAs in 2022) Red = Bloom Acquisitions

 

153 McGuire (17)

150 Devers (3)

144 Refsnyder (14)

127 Bogey (1)

122 Ja Davis (20)

115 JD Martinez (4)

111 Arroyo (11)

110 Vazquez (7)

109 Pham (15)

 

100 Verdugo (2)

 

97 Story (5)

92 Cordero (10)

83 Duran (12)

77 Dalbec (6)

73 Hosmer (16)

69 Kike (9)

61 JBJ (8)

47 Plawecki (13)

32 Wong (23)

18 Downs (19)

-6 Sanchez (18)

 

OPS Against

.535 Familia

.547 Scheiber

.578 Wacha

.584 Sale

.589 Valdez

.594 Feliz

.595 Whitlock

 

.608 Houck

.634 Sawamura

,665 Danish

.670 Strahm

.697 Barnes (Extended by Bloom)

 

.710 Pivetta

.742 Davis

.744 Diekman

.774 Eovaldi

.783 Crawford

.786 Hill

 

.810 Brasier

.832 Robles

.859 Winckowski

 

.930 Ort

.955 Bello

 

1.296 Seabold

1.376 DHern

[Jasonbay44]

Jerk off man has been a surprisingly big contributor

[notin]

Kike was overrated by his hot streak in the postseason last year, and no I’m not judging him just on last year as you know I have referred to him on previous post as a good utility man, so to say 1 year is not true just like you said I didn’t like fWAR, or any of the others. I have said I don’t need it, and don’t care about it.

 

Anyone who says Kike isn’t a good ball player or thinks he’s “just a utility man” and then spouts off about the EYE TEST showing him everything he needs to know, needs to visit an optometrist and is a lousy advocate for the Eye Test Crowd…

[jacksonianmarch]

Jerk off man has been a surprisingly big contributor

 

McGuire has always had good hands behind the plate, able to jerk back any balls that go awry. His strong hands lead to an impeccable finish as he releases towards the bags. But this year, his grip on the shaft of the bat has led to his best offensive stats that you can come by. You can only hope his progress doesn’t arrest as he’s parking himself in your lineup on a regular basis….

 

In all honesty, McGuire has always been a good defender who’s been predicted to have offensive promise yet minimal power. Maybe he’s ready to deliver on it

[Old Red]

Anyone who says Kike isn’t a good ball player or thinks he’s “just a utility man” and then spouts off about the EYE TEST showing him everything he needs to know, needs to visit an optometrist and is a lousy advocate for the Eye Test Crowd…

 

As always over analyzing. A good utility man is a bad ball player? Wow! He’s never had a regular position, and had played many, so you can call it what you want. Sounding off, because he actually had some hits last night, which doesn’t make up for him sucking all year with the bat, or doesn’t make up for him coming up small in big situations the previous two night. A career 240 hitter is no superstar. You rate Kike how you want to, and I’ll rate him how I want to. This has already been discussed on other threads, so there is no need to do it again. I’m not changing my mind, and your not changing yours. If saying Kike is a good utility ball player isn’t good enough for you then to bad that’s how I SEE it.

Edited August 27, 2022 by Old Red

[jad]

As always over analyzing. A good utility man is a bad ball player? Wow! He’s never had a regular position, and had played many, so you can call it what you want. Sounding off, because he actually had some hits last night, which doesn’t make up for him sucking all year with the bat, or doesn’t make up for him coming up small in big situations the previous two night. A career 240 hitter is no superstar.

 

Well, he's hitting better this season than anyone else except Bogaerts and Devers, so he really hasn't been "sucking all year."

[notin]

As always over analyzing. A good utility man is a bad ball player? Wow! He’s never had a regular position, and had played many, so you can call it what you want. Sounding off, because he actually had some hits last night, which doesn’t make up for him sucking all year with the bat, or doesn’t make up for him coming up small in big situations the previous two night. A career 240 hitter is no superstar. You rate Kike how you want to, and I’ll rate him how I want to. This has already been discussed on other threads, so there is no need to do it again. I’m not changing my mind, and your not changing yours. If saying Kike is a good utility ball player isn’t good enough for you then to bad that’s how I SEE it.

 

You back pedal nicely.

 

He’s an excellent CF. If you were actually judging solely by the eye test (as you claim), you would have noticed he’s played 150 out of 194 games in Boston as a CF. So not sure where eye test has so many positions.

 

Overall he has struggled to hit this year, but given his career offense and his extremely good defense at multiple positions, he is a good ball player. No one called him a superstar. No need to try to exaggerate…

[notin]

McGuire has always had good hands behind the plate, able to jerk back any balls that go awry. His strong hands lead to an impeccable finish as he releases towards the bags. But this year, his grip on the shaft of the bat has led to his best offensive stats that you can come by. You can only hope his progress doesn’t arrest as he’s parking himself in your lineup on a regular basis….

 

In all honesty, McGuire has always been a good defender who’s been predicted to have offensive promise yet minimal power. Maybe he’s ready to deliver on it

 

A lot of us have moved past that…

[Maxbialystock]

Anyone who says Kike isn’t a good ball player or thinks he’s “just a utility man” and then spouts off about the EYE TEST showing him everything he needs to know, needs to visit an optometrist and is a lousy advocate for the Eye Test Crowd…

 

Amen.

[Bellhorn04]

As always over analyzing. A good utility man is a bad ball player? Wow! He’s never had a regular position, and had played many, so you can call it what you want. Sounding off, because he actually had some hits last night, which doesn’t make up for him sucking all year with the bat, or doesn’t make up for him coming up small in big situations the previous two night. A career 240 hitter is no superstar. You rate Kike how you want to, and I’ll rate him how I want to. This has already been discussed on other threads, so there is no need to do it again. I’m not changing my mind, and your not changing yours. If saying Kike is a good utility ball player isn’t good enough for you then to bad that’s how I SEE it.

 

What strikes me as amusing here is that you spent 5 lines responding to a 2 line post that you called "over analyzing"...

[Maxbialystock]

A lot of us have moved past that…

 

I know zippo about McGuire--except that I like what I've seen so far. I like jacksoniamarch's comments about his good hands because that's what I think I've seen.

[Bellhorn04]

I know zippo about McGuire--except that I like what I've seen so far. I like jacksoniamarch's comments about his good hands because that's what I think I've seen.

 

I know your intentions were good here, Max.

[Maxbialystock]

What strikes me as amusing here is that you spent 5 lines responding to a 2 line post that you called "over analyzing"...

 

He definitely sticks to his points. I knew nothing about Kike before last season although I have looked at his numbers before he got here. Like everyone else, I watched the games and liked what I saw although I did agree with moonslav it was regrettable how often Kike was pulled back to the infield when he was clearly--his DWAR last year was +2.1--the best outfielder defender on the team.

 

Plus his overall WAR was 4.9. I doubt that Old Red is aware that Kike's 4.9 was a tad better than Mookie's 4.2 with the Dodgers last year. Or that with Kike the Sox got to the ALCS, just as with Mookie the Dodgers got to the NLCS.

 

I am of course aware that Mookie overall is way, way better than Kike and has the past WAR's to prove it. This season, for example, Mookie is way ahead with a 5.4 WAR to Kike's 0.2.

 

Unfortunately for the Dodgers, however, it's possible they are shelling out $365M for a player they may never see despite all the hoopla every time he catches a fly, makes a good throw, gets a hit or better still a dinger, etc. In 5.3 seasons (@ $6M/season) with the Sox Mookie's cumulative WAR was 42.3. In parts of 3 seasons with the Dodgers (@ $30M/season for 12 years) it's 13.2.

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie went off last night. He probably added at least .5 WAR in one game LOL