A Realistic View at 2021: Part III

[Nick]

Any artificial money constraints are on Henry & Werner.

 

But it's apparently there.....

 

So if we had Betts, we'd be at $240M and still no pitching.....

 

He would have helped us....but still no pitching....

[vegasbob]

Unfortunately it's 7 years/$245 million.

 

That's more like it for Devers, but man, that's still a $35 mill tax hit.

 

And Rendon just got the rest of the year off for the Angels after 2 prior IL trips. Injury is not the player's personal fault but the big contracts rarely end well

[vegasbob]

I am especially thrilled by f***wit Perez's quote " That this is a good thing to happen ( I presume the losing) , so we can wake up " Just leave , loser , and go wake up elsewhere.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Perez demoted to the bullpen. Duran out with Covid-19. The Red Sox promoted Arauz to take Duran's spot. This is where M.Wilson would have been useful. I'm not sure why Wilson got the axe over Potts. In fact, I would keep Wilson over Cordero and Dalbec as well.

 

Now that Duran is out, does this mean that Cora can't resist playing the piece of s*** Gonzalez and his 56 OPS+?

[iortiz]

Perez demoted to the bullpen. Duran out with Covid-19. The Red Sox promoted Arauz to take Duran's spot. This is where M.Wilson would have been useful. I'm not sure why Wilson got the axe over Potts. In fact, I would keep Wilson over Cordero and Dalbec as well.

 

Now that Duran is out, does this mean that Cora can't resist playing the piece of s*** Gonzalez and his 56 OPS+?

 

Call up Muñoz when he’s healthy.

[a700hitter]

Perez demoted to the bullpen. Duran out with Covid-19. The Red Sox promoted Arauz to take Duran's spot. This is where M.Wilson would have been useful. I'm not sure why Wilson got the axe over Potts. In fact, I would keep Wilson over Cordero and Dalbec as well.

 

Now that Duran is out, does this mean that Cora can't resist playing the piece of s*** Gonzalez and his 56 OPS+?

Arozarena is also on COVID list. I’ll take that trade off.

[mvp 78]

Perez demoted to the bullpen. Duran out with Covid-19. The Red Sox promoted Arauz to take Duran's spot. This is where M.Wilson would have been useful. I'm not sure why Wilson got the axe over Potts. In fact, I would keep Wilson over Cordero and Dalbec as well.

 

Now that Duran is out, does this mean that Cora can't resist playing the piece of s*** Gonzalez and his 56 OPS+?

 

Wilson hit like 150 in July. He’s not good.

[Nick]

Chris Sale likely to return to Boston Red Sox after rehab start for Worcester on Saturday; ‘It feels like it’s the last one’

 

Nah, let's have him make couple more starts to make sure he's okay.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Nick

[Nick]

Pérez posted a 4.77 ERA, 1.52 WHIP and .298 batting average against in 22 starts this season. He posted a 7.13 ERA and .363 batting average against in his past 11 starts.

 

“The stuff is a lot better than the results,” Cora said.

 

yeah sure it is....I thought when he was going good, his results were lot better than his stuff...

[moonslav59]

Pérez posted a 4.77 ERA, 1.52 WHIP and .298 batting average against in 22 starts this season. He posted a 7.13 ERA and .363 batting average against in his past 11 starts.

 

“The stuff is a lot better than the results,” Cora said.

 

yeah sure it is....I thought when he was going good, his results were lot better than his stuff...

 

Living in the past.

 

First 11 starts:

3.09 ERA, .658 OPS Against (.301 BAbip)

 

Last 11 starts:

7.13 ERA, 1.073 OPS Against (.385 BAbip)

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Wilson hit like 150 in July. He’s not good.

 

He had pretty good AAA numbers against lefties, though. I see him as a platoon bat, fourth OF.

 

He isn't anything special, though, I understand that, but the other guys suck too: Dalbec, Potts, Cordero and Gonzalez.

 

This season is collapsing fast. Pretty soon I'll be rooting for the Rays to win games hoping the Yankees don't win the division. Amazing how quickly things can change.

[moonslav59]

Rotation Collapse

 

Richards

First 11 starts"

3.75 ERA, .749 OPS Against (.318 BAbip)

Last 10 starts

7.15 ERA, 1.014 OPS Against (.361 BAbip)

 

Perez

First 11 starts:

3.09 ERA, .658 OPS Against (.301 BAbip)

Last 11 starts:

7.13 ERA, 1.073 OPS Against (.385 BAbip)

 

Pivetta

First 11 starts:

3.77 ERA, .657 OPS Against (.283 BAbip)

Last 10 starts:

5.47 ERA, .831 OPS Against (.299 BAbip)

 

ERod

First 10 starts:

5.64 ERA, .832 OPS Against (.374 BAbip)

Last 10 starts:

5.55 ERA, .745 OPS Against (.367 BAbip)

 

Eovaldi

First 11 starts:

4.01 ERA, .648 OPS Against (.316 BAbip)

Last 10 starts (not counting tonight):

3.41 ERA, .727 OPS Against (.337 BAbip)

4.13 ERA after tonight in last 11 starts

 

Look at the absurd BAbip numbers!

 

Team Starters:

to June 7

4.03 ERA

89 ERA-

3.95 xFIP

94 xFIP-

.328 BAbip

 

June 8 to before tonight:

5.44 ERA

121 ERA-

4.18 xFIP

99 xFIP-

.339 BAbip

Edited August 7, 2021 by moonslav59

[Noles_1335]

Insert that fork my friends…. This team is done!! Bloom with a terrible trade deadline did us in and the pitching coach might need a change for the future!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox were limping into the deadline and when they got zero assistance, they stumbled

[moonslav59]

I'm very far from packing it in.

 

Things can turn for the bad, quickly.

 

They can turn for the good, too.

 

(The question is if and when?)

[oldtimer]

I'm very far from packing it in.

 

Things can turn for the bad, quickly.

 

They can turn for the good, too.

 

(The question is if and when?)

 

Forever the optimist.

[Noles_1335]

Why can you guys not call a spade a spade…. This team is a dumpster fire right now! Imagine the chemistry in the Locker room… there seems to be no leadership and they’ve got to be questioning leadership with seeing what other contenders did to better their teams! Bloom has made what maybe 2 good moves so far? And those saying we couldn’t sell off the farm for now to kill the future! News flash… tomorrow and next season is not a given. Our farm system doesn’t have an all star in the farm for a while and it will take longer than 2022 with the pieces we have. The Jays aren’t getting worse this off season and the Yanks sure as hell will add the needed pieces. Mark my words and this post.. the O’s are coming for us by 2023… more talent in Bowie than our entire farm system… Bloom is standing in quicksand!!

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom made the calculated decision that the 2021 Sox were not good enough to add to. He is being proven right

[a700hitter]

Bloom made the calculated decision that the 2021 Sox were not good enough to add to. He is being proven right

A self fulfilling prophecy.

[notin]

Bloom made the calculated decision that the 2021 Sox were not good enough to add to. He is being proven right

 

It didn’t help that most of the teams decided they could trade their better pitching prospects and in Boston, that cupboard is bare…

[jacksonianmarch]

A self fulfilling prophecy.

 

Yeah, it is. That being said, the sox were predicted to be a 4th place team. They were way over their skis with a patchwork pitching staff and a bullpen that seriously overperformed. They rode a hot as hell section of their lineup to a big win total. Once Bogaerts hurt his wrist and Verdugo started to struggle, the lineup came down to 2 guys and JD slumped at the wrong time. Without the juggernaut offense, this sox team is a sham. Now they are tired and the wheels are all falling off. The sox farm is thin. Adding Mayer helps, but it is still pretty thin from the DD days. If he were to add a healthy bat, a good pen arm, and a strong starter, the sox would have literally undone everything Bloom is trying to build, and for what? A wild card berth? The sox needed 2021 to pass and have a healthy Sale, see what a healthy Houck can do and tick a year off so they can get some more money off the docket. My bet is the tantalizing 4 months escalates the timeline for the sox to strike this offseason. We shall see if they bite

[jacksonianmarch]

Down to 2 in the L column. Might be tied after tomorrow

[a700hitter]

Yeah, it is. That being said, the sox were predicted to be a 4th place team. They were way over their skis with a patchwork pitching staff and a bullpen that seriously overperformed.

That is where I predicted they would finish. It is also where the 2013 team was predicted to finish. They found themselves in first place at the trading deadline and a Ben got them a starting pitcher. And they continued on to the Championship.

[Nick]

Rotation Collapse

 

Richards

First 11 starts"

3.75 ERA, .749 OPS Against (.318 BAbip)

Last 10 starts

7.15 ERA, 1.014 OPS Against (.361 BAbip)

 

Perez

First 11 starts:

3.09 ERA, .658 OPS Against (.301 BAbip)

Last 11 starts:

7.13 ERA, 1.073 OPS Against (.385 BAbip)

 

Pivetta

First 11 starts:

3.77 ERA, .657 OPS Against (.283 BAbip)

Last 10 starts:

5.47 ERA, .831 OPS Against (.299 BAbip)

 

ERod

First 10 starts:

5.64 ERA, .832 OPS Against (.374 BAbip)

Last 10 starts:

5.55 ERA, .745 OPS Against (.367 BAbip)

 

Eovaldi

First 11 starts:

4.01 ERA, .648 OPS Against (.316 BAbip)

Last 10 starts (not counting tonight):

3.41 ERA, .727 OPS Against (.337 BAbip)

4.13 ERA after tonight in last 11 starts

 

Look at the absurd BAbip numbers!

 

Team Starters:

to June 7

4.03 ERA

89 ERA-

3.95 xFIP

94 xFIP-

.328 BAbip

 

June 8 to before tonight:

5.44 ERA

121 ERA-

4.18 xFIP

99 xFIP-

.339 BAbip

 

See below....he could have said "Yeah, we're struggling a bit"....he made himself look stupid. Don't give me crap about well what's he going to say? You don't say no I'm not concerned.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

According to MLB Trade Rumors, the Red Sox have a club option on Perez for 2022. Can anyone confirm that this is true? I thought that Perez had a player option for 2022, but I guess not?

 

Pérez will now transition into a bullpen role, where he’ll add another lefty to a group already including Josh Taylor and Austin Davis. Pérez has been better against left-handed hitters (.246/.333/.386) than righties (.284/.352/.475) over his time in Boston, so perhaps a situational role could serve him well. It does seem likely to come at a financial cost, as Pérez’s deal contains $100K bonuses for reaching each of 130, 140, 150, 160 and 170 innings pitched. A bullpen move will make it difficult for him to reach even the lowest of those thresholds down the stretch. The contract also contains a $6MM club option for 2022 that seems likelier to be bought out.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/08/red-sox-move-martin-perez-to-bullpen.html

 

If true, this is great news. The Red Sox will obviously decline Perez's option, one less lousy player on the 40 man roster.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Some of you need to relax. They have hit a bad spot, it happens. Do you really think this lineup will continue to score 3 runs a game? I sure don't. The pen is still solid. Whatever we get out of Sale and Tanner will be huge upgrades over the starts we have gotten from, well you know the names.

[jacksonianmarch]

There’s a bad spot then there’s this. The offense will recover eventually. The staff may not, especially if Sale is up and down as is expected post TJS

[Nick]

This goes back to what Moon and I think is needed.

 

You build the staff from top down. Find someone at #1 and the entire staff benefits by dropping down one spot.

 

Now it's still possible and hopefully that role will be filled by Chris Sale at some point. If not 2021, then in 2022 when he's been 'out' for almost two years.

 

Give Yankees credit, they have that pitcher in G Cole. They also have two additional starters that will eventually come off the IL.

 

Sox needs to give Whitlock and Houck every opportunity to become a starter in 2022.

 

With our current financial situation, we probably need to retain E Rod and go with this starting rotation. Yes, we need 6.

 

Sale

Eovaldi

E Rod

Pivetta

Houck

Whitlock

 

I'm pretty sure someone will be hurt from time to time.

 

AND HOPE THAT WHITLOCK WILL OUTPERFORM EXPECTATIONS.

 

E Rod will be another year away from 2020, Whitlock, Houck and Pivetta all should be improving.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Nick

[oldtimer]

Some of you need to relax. They have hit a bad spot' date=' it happens. Do you really think this lineup will continue to score 3 runs a game? I sure don't. The pen is still solid. Whatever we get out of Sale and Tanner will be huge upgrades over the starts we have gotten from, well you know the names.[/quote']

 

The Sox need an infusion of capable field players and hitters as JDM and Bogie are tired and Dalbec, Cordero and Gonzalez are incapable of MLB success at this point. Realistically, they have Schwaber coming back in about a week, while Arroyo is still rehabbing and may not make it back for a little longer period. Munoz could be tried in Gonzalez role. As far as pitching we have Sale, Houck and possibly Seabold who could be up to help us. For the next week, it looks like we continue to slide. After that, if we make the necessary moves, we may become competitive again. It was pretty clear that this team needed help but little was given from the AS break on, instead we relied on our cushion and the potential of players returning in mid August.

[Bellhorn04]

This team had a lot of great come-from-behind victories. The fact that we had to come from behind so often was not a good sign, of course.

 

Our run differential is down to a paltry +34.