2018 Prospect Mega Thread

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com updated their rankings:

 

http://soxprospects.com/index.html

 

Red= up 4 or more slots

Blue= down 4 or more slots

 

Player age

 

1. Chavis 23

2. Mata 19

3. Houck 22

4. Groome 20

5. Casas 18 (unrated before)

6. Dalbec 23 (up 4 slots)

7. Chatham 23 (up 10 slots)

8. D Hernandez 21

9. Shawaryn 23

10. Feltman 21 (unrated before)

11. Ockimey 22

12. Decker 18 (unrated before)

13. Lakins 24 (up 6 slots)

14. Flores 17 (up 8 slots)

15. D Diaz 17

16. Scherff 20 (down 8 slots)

17. Howlett 18 (unrated before)

18. Northcut 19 (unrated before)

19. Duran 21 (unrated before)

20. Lin 23

21. Travis 25 (down 16 slots)

22. Crawford (up 37 slots)

23. Poyner 25

24. D Reyes 21 (unrated before)

25. Netzer 22

26. Thompson 23 (down 11 slots)

27. Raudes 20 (down 16 slots)

28. J Diaz 21 (up 7 slots)

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by moonslav59

[OH FOY]

Last 2 games in Pawtucket going to todays game.

Chavis 0-4 last night, with 4 K's. Hope I bring him Luck.

[Larry Cook]

None of the Sox minor league teams made the playoffs. Today was the last day of the season for them.

 

Betts has two taters today and Shawaryn has a decent final start of the season. I think he could be a September call up next year,

 

Hopefully we have a better year next year. Thanks desperate Dave!

[Hugh2]

I'm surprised no one is talking about Trey Ball.....the outfielder.

[mvp 78]

I'm surprised no one is talking about Trey Ball.....the outfielder.

 

333 OPS. What's there to talk about? It was way too late to convert him.

[mvp 78]

soxprospects.com updated their rankings:

 

http://soxprospects.com/index.html

 

Red= up 4 or more slots

Blue= down 4 or more slots

 

Player age

 

1. Chavis 23

2. Mata 19

3. Houck 22

4. Groome 20

5. Casas 18 (unrated before)

6. Dalbec 23 (up 4 slots)

7. Chatham 23 (up 10 slots)

8. D Hernandez 21

9. Shawaryn 23

10. Feltman 21 (unrated before)

11. Ockimey 22

12. Decker 18 (unrated before)

13. Lakins 24 (down 6 slots)

14. Flores 17 (up 8 slots)

15. D Diaz 17

16. Scherff 20 (down 8 slots)

17. Howlett 18 (unrated before)

18. Northcut 19 (unrated before)

19. Duran 21 (unrated before)

20. Lin 23

21. Travis 25 (down 16 slots)

22. Crawford (up 37 slots)

23. Poyner 25

24. D Reyes 21 (unrated before)

25. Netzer 22

26. Thompson 23 (down 11 slots)

27. Raudes 20 (down 16 slots)

28. J Diaz 21 (up 7 slots)

 

 

When was Lakins ranked in the top 10? I don't remember this.

 

Per SP, he's UP 6 spots, not down.

[moonslav59]

When was Lakins ranked in the top 10? I don't remember this.

 

Per SP, he's UP 6 spots, not down.

 

Yes, Lakins went from 19th to 13th...not down but up. My bad.

 

I fixed it.

[moonslav59]

Soxprospects.com has this for next year's rosters:

 

http://soxprospects.com/2019.htm

 

Dalbec, Houck, D Hernandez & Feltman starting with Portland

 

Lakins as the AAA closer. Mata in Salem.

 

Not many surprises that I see.

 

[a700hitter]

What a bust Ball has been. Thanks Ben!

 

• Red Sox prospect Trey Ball is moving from the mound to the batter’s box, as Greg Levinsky of the Boston Globe notes on Twitter. The Globe’s Alex Speier recently examined the subject, explaining that the 2013 first-rounder was seen as a two-way prospect as a high-school outfielder. With his pitching career fizzling out — he has struggled in consecutive Double-A seasons, despite repeating the level and converting to a relief role — the 24-year-old Ball will now take a second shot at carving out a MLB career.
  

[moonslav59]

Good pick with Beni, though.

[a700hitter]

Good pick with Beni, though.

Ben knew nothing about pitching. That was his Achilles heel.

[a700hitter]

Good pick with Beni, though.

I wonder what kind of sophisticated software he used and how many scouting reports he reviewed to convince him to pick the College Player of the Year.

[mvp 78]

I wonder what kind of sophisticated software he used and how many scouting reports he reviewed to convince him to pick the College Player of the Year.

 

Looks at list... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_America_College_Player_of_the_Year_Award

 

Yeah, that's pretty much a gimmie pick.

[moonslav59]

Ben knew nothing about pitching. That was his Achilles heel.

 

Except for Koji.

[moonslav59]

I wonder what kind of sophisticated software he used and how many scouting reports he reviewed to convince him to pick the College Player of the Year.

 

College Player of the Year is near meaningless. If it was what it was, he'd have gone first or second.

 

It wasn't like Ball was not highly regarded, at the time.

 

All-in-all, Ben's drafts were about average. His international signings grade as an A to A-, despite Castillo.

 

His trades were pretty good (Dodger dump, ERod...)

 

His FA signings were D-, at best.

[Bellhorn04]

Just noticed that Kopech got lit up last night for 7 ER in 3.1, allowing 4 long balls. Welcome to the bigs, kid.

[a700hitter]

Except for Koji.

Who was acquired as a setup man. He fell into some luck that his other closers s*** themselves or got injured or both.

[a700hitter]

College Player of the Year is near meaningless. If it was what it was, he'd have gone first or second.

 

It wasn't like Ball was not highly regarded, at the time.

 

All-in-all, Ben's drafts were about average. His international signings grade as an A to A-, despite Castillo.

 

His trades were pretty good (Dodger dump, ERod...)

 

His FA signings were D-, at best.

Did you see the list posted by MVP?

 

Looks at list... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_America_College_Player_of_the_Year_Award

 

Yeah, that's pretty much a gimmie pick.

[a700hitter]

College Player of the Year is near meaningless. If it was what it was, he'd have gone first or second.

 

It wasn't like Ball was not highly regarded, at the time.

 

All-in-all, Ben's drafts were about average. His international signings grade as an A to A-, despite Castillo.

 

His trades were pretty good (Dodger dump, ERod...)

 

His FA signings were D-, at best.

I thought that at the time that Ball was considered a project and by no means a blue chip sure thing.

[moonslav59]

I thought that at the time that Ball was considered a project and by no means a blue chip sure thing.

 

Is there ever really a "blue chip" HS player?

 

Anytime you take a HS kid, it's a gamble.

 

The Phillies took Mark Appel first that year. The Twins took Kohl Stewart 4th. Clint Frazier was 5th. I'm not sure there was anybody that screamed, "Take me!" by the 7th pick.

 

Aaron Judge was taken 32nd, but I doubt anyone looked at him like a 7th pick.

[moonslav59]

Did you see the list posted by MVP?

 

I did, now.

 

Pretty impressive. I concede.

[a700hitter]

Is there ever really a "blue chip" HS player?

 

Anytime you take a HS kid, it's a gamble.

 

The Phillies took Mark Appel first that year. The Twins took Kohl Stewart 4th. Clint Frazier was 5th. I'm not sure there was anybody that screamed, "Take me!" by the 7th pick.

 

Aaron Judge was taken 32nd, but I doubt anyone looked at him like a 7th pick.

HS kids are probably not the best use of a high first round pick unless it is Bryce Harper.

[moonslav59]

HS kids are probably not the best use of a high first round pick unless it is Bryce Harper.

 

There have been some good 1st overall picks out of HS on this 30 year list:

2017 Royce Lewis

2016 Mickey Moniak

2014 Brady Aiken

2012 Carlos Correa

2008 Tim Beckham

2005 Justin Upton

2004 Matt Bush

2003 Delmon Young

2001 Joe Mauer

2000 Adrian Gonzalez

1999 Josh Hamilton

1993 Alex Rodriguez

1991 Brien Taylor

1990 Chipper Jones

1987 Ken Griffey Jr.

 

College

2018 Casey Mize

2015 Dansby Swanson

2011 Gerrit Cole

2010 Bryce Harper

2009 S Strasburg

2007 David Price

2006 Luke Hochevar

2002 Bryan Bullington

1998 Pat Burrell

1997 Matt Anderson

1996 Kris Benson

1995 Darin Erstad

1994 Phil Nevin

1989 Ben McDonald

1988 Andy Benes

 

[a700hitter]

There have been some good 1st overall picks out of HS on this 30 year list:

2017 Royce Lewis

2016 Mickey Moniak

2014 Brady Aiken

2012 Carlos Correa

2008 Tim Beckham

2005 Justin Upton

2004 Matt Bush

2003 Delmon Young

2001 Joe Mauer

2000 Adrian Gonzalez

1999 Josh Hamilton

1993 Alex Rodriguez

1991 Brien Taylor

1990 Chipper Jones

1987 Ken Griffey Jr.

 

College

2018 Casey Mize

2015 Dansby Swanson

2011 Gerrit Cole

2010 Bryce Harper

2009 S Strasburg

2007 David Price

2006 Luke Hochevar

2002 Bryan Bullington

1998 Pat Burrell

1997 Matt Anderson

1996 Kris Benson

1995 Darin Erstad

1994 Phil Nevin

1989 Ben McDonald

1988 Andy Benes

 

How does it look when you look at the entire first round and not the #1 overall pick? ARod and Junior, and those other overall #1 picks were freaks. The fall off after those picks in the first round was tremendous.

[moonslav59]

How does it look when you look at the entire first round and not the #1 overall pick? ARod and Junior, and those other overall #1 picks were freaks. The fall off after those picks in the first round was tremendous.

 

I'm pretty sure college beats HS, but maybe the very best might be HS.

 

Just my guess.

[a700hitter]

I'm pretty sure college beats HS, but maybe the very best might be HS.

 

Just my guess.

And many are the #1 overall freaks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Harper was not really college. He graduated a year early from HS, so he enrolled in JuCo.

[sk7326]

fWAR leaders among position players 2014-2018

 

1. Mike Trout (High School)

2. Mookie Betts (High School)

3. Jose Altuve (Intl)

4. Josh Donaldson (College)

5. Paul Goldschmidt (College)

6. Giancarlo Stanton (High School)

7. Manny Machado (High School)

8. Freddie Freeman (High School)

9. Anthony Rendon (College)

10. Kris Bryant (College)

11. Joey Votto (College)

12. Anthony Rizzo (High School)

13. Nolen Arenado (High School)

14. Lorenzo Cain (High School)

15. Francisco Lindor (High School)

16. Bryce Harper (High School)

17. Christian Yelich (High School)

18. Buster Posey (College)

19. Justin Turner (College)

20. Matt Carpenter (College)

 

Some conclusions

 

If you want a catcher or a corner infielder, largely who cares - 7 of the 11 guys on this list went to college. (Carpenter was drafted as a 3B - though he has played 2B in the majors)

Anybody else, high school was very much dominated. Teams have definitely wanted to get elite athletes as young as possible - and it makes sense.

 

Pitchers are much more college biased - the physical maturity just matters so much there.

[moonslav59]

fWAR leaders among position players 2014-2018

 

1. Mike Trout (High School)

2. Mookie Betts (High School)

3. Jose Altuve (Intl)

4. Josh Donaldson (College)

5. Paul Goldschmidt (College)

6. Giancarlo Stanton (High School)

7. Manny Machado (High School)

8. Freddie Freeman (High School)

9. Anthony Rendon (College)

10. Kris Bryant (College)

11. Joey Votto (College)

12. Anthony Rizzo (High School)

13. Nolen Arenado (High School)

14. Lorenzo Cain (High School)

15. Francisco Lindor (High School)

16. Bryce Harper (High School)

17. Christian Yelich (High School)

18. Buster Posey (College)

19. Justin Turner (College)

20. Matt Carpenter (College)

 

Some conclusions

 

If you want a catcher or a corner infielder, largely who cares - 7 of the 11 guys on this list went to college. (Carpenter was drafted as a 3B - though he has played 2B in the majors)

Anybody else, high school was very much dominated. Teams have definitely wanted to get elite athletes as young as possible - and it makes sense.

 

Pitchers are much more college biased - the physical maturity just matters so much there.

 

Thanks for the research.

 

Pretty impressive list.

[a700hitter]

fWAR leaders among position players 2014-2018

 

1. Mike Trout (High School)

2. Mookie Betts (High School)

3. Jose Altuve (Intl)

4. Josh Donaldson (College)

5. Paul Goldschmidt (College)

6. Giancarlo Stanton (High School)

7. Manny Machado (High School)

8. Freddie Freeman (High School)

9. Anthony Rendon (College)

10. Kris Bryant (College)

11. Joey Votto (College)

12. Anthony Rizzo (High School)

13. Nolen Arenado (High School)

14. Lorenzo Cain (High School)

15. Francisco Lindor (High School)

16. Bryce Harper (High School)

17. Christian Yelich (High School)

18. Buster Posey (College)

19. Justin Turner (College)

20. Matt Carpenter (College)

 

Some conclusions

 

If you want a catcher or a corner infielder, largely who cares - 7 of the 11 guys on this list went to college. (Carpenter was drafted as a 3B - though he has played 2B in the majors)

Anybody else, high school was very much dominated. Teams have definitely wanted to get elite athletes as young as possible - and it makes sense.

 

Pitchers are much more college biased - the physical maturity just matters so much there.

The discussion was about the best use of a first round pick.