2018 Prospect Mega Thread

[Fisk]

When all is said and done DD will be a hall of fame executive.

[moonslav59]

You remember what he won in 2003, a historically bad team to fix that quickly is an accomplishment and to have a 10 year window is also very good.

 

He didn't have a competitive team all 10 years. I was replying to your comment about just the Tigers and them having 10 years of being competitive.

 

He took over in 2002. The team was bad when he took over (66 wins in 2001). They got worse, before they got better, and thos draft picks helped.

 

Wins by the Tigers under DD:

 

55

43

72

71

95

88

74

86

81

95

88

93

90

74

 

Go ahead and throw out the first 4 years, if you want, and the Tigers were...

 

Highly competitive in 5 of 10 years (made the playoffs)

Somewhat competitive 2 of 10 years (82-88 wins)

Not competitive 3 years (74-81 wins)

 

Maybe I have a different definition of what a "window" is, and that's fine, but I see a 4 year window (2011-2014) and maybe a 2 year window (2006-2007).

 

Since he left:

86

64

64

 

[moonslav59]

Second place in two of those years. Not to bad.

 

What 10 years are you talking about?

[Fisk]

Second place in two of those years. Not to bad.

 

What 10 years are you talking about?

 

What are you talking about he took over an aging veteran team and rebuilt it his first two years. Ok in 9 years he had one uncompetitive season. I believe anyone being objective would agree his reign in Detroit was successful. Hard to keep a team competitive for that time period.

[moonslav59]

What are you talking about he took over an aging veteran team and rebuilt it his first two years. Ok in 9 years he had one uncompetitive season. I believe anyone being objective would agree his reign in Detroit was successful. Hard to keep a team competitive for that time period.

 

He took over in 2002. They finished 4th and 5th out of 5 teams in the first 4 years. How is this "rebuilt in 2 years?"

 

He was there for 14 years and was competitive for 8- highly competitive for 5 or 6 years.

 

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, but how do you see a 10 year window of competitiveness? Which specific years are you talking about? If you meant 9, that's fine- no biggie, but in his best 9 years, he got these "off seasons":

 

2008: 74-88 (5th out 5 teams)

2010: 81-81 (3rd out of 5)

 

One of these seasons falls out of the sample size by making it 9 years:

2015: 74-87 (5th out of 5)

2005: 71-91 (4th out of 5)

 

Being competitive in 7 out of 9 years is very good. I'm not trying to say he did badly, but to me, and maybe we're just arguing semantics, a window mean every year being competitive or highly competitive.

[Fisk]

Second place in two of those years. Not to bad.

 

He took over in 2002. They finished 4th and 5th out of 5 teams in the first 4 years. How is this "rebuilt in 2 years?"

 

He was there for 14 years and was competitive for 8- highly competitive for 5 or 6 years.

 

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, but how do you see a 10 year window of competitiveness? Which specific years are you talking about? If you meant 9, that's fine- no biggie, but in his best 9 years, he got these "off seasons":

 

2008: 74-88 (5th out 5 teams)

2010: 81-81 (3rd out of 5)

 

One of these seasons falls out of the sample size by making it 9 years:

2015: 74-87 (5th out of 5)

2005: 71-91 (4th out of 5)

 

Being competitive in 7 out of 9 years is very good. I'm not trying to say he did badly, but to me, and maybe we're just arguing semantics, a window mean every year being competitive or highly competitive.

Again he took over a terrible roster he bottomed it out in 2003 rebuilt in 2004 and 5 went to the World Series in 06 I don’t know about you but to me that’s impressive. In 9 years from 2006 to 2014 in 7 of those years they could have qualified for the playoffs. Lost 2 World Series in that time span and arguably in 2013 had the best roster, they just happened to bump into a very motivated team that year.

[moonslav59]

Again he took over a terrible roster he bottomed it out in 2003 rebuilt in 2004 and 5 went to the World Series in 06 I don’t know about you but to me that’s impressive. In 9 years from 2006 to 2014 in 7 of those years they could have qualified for the playoffs. Lost 2 World Series in that time span and arguably in 2013 had the best roster, they just happened to bump into a very motivated team that year.

 

I never said it wasn't impressive. Being competitive in 7 out of 9 years is impressive, but he did take 4 years not 2 to get the team on track. That's not bad, but you said 2 years.

 

I have no issues with DD. He's been a very good GM and maybe even great.

 

[Fisk]

I never said it wasn't impressive. Being competitive in 7 out of 9 years is impressive, but he did take 4 years not 2 to get the team on track. That's not bad, but you said 2 years.

 

I have no issues with DD. He's been a very good GM and maybe even great.

 

Once the team bottomed out ,they went 43-119 in 2003, in 2006 they were in the world series that’s like saying Baltimore is going in 2021. What I’m saying it took 2 years after the team bottomed out. Look at that roster in 02 and 03 just awful.

[Fisk]

I have not agreed with everything DD. Has done, but overall he has done what he was paid to do in Boston. I have problems with people who question his track record. He has built teams from the bottom up through the use of the farm system, either by holding on to certain players or trading them for win now assets. Every organization he took over he has succeeded in making that team better. After he left the Expos and Marlins the Teams achieved success. That 1994 Expos team could have been great. 2003 Marlins won the World Series. That 9 year span with the Tigers was one of the most successful eras in there history.

[moonslav59]

Once the team bottomed out ,they went 43-119 in 2003, in 2006 they were in the world series that’s like saying Baltimore is going in 2021. What I’m saying it took 2 years after the team bottomed out. Look at that roster in 02 and 03 just awful.

 

That was amazing, but they went from 66 to 55 to 43 in his first 2 years. I'm not sure why that doesn't count. I see it as him taking 4 years to get to great. That's pretty good, too.

 

I think he did an impressive job with the Tigers. The owner wanted him to get the team to win it all. He wanted a win now strategy, and DD got it for him.

 

The Tigers were good for 7 of 9 years. That's better than the Sox last 9 years.

[Fisk]

Have you looked at the roster it was all overpaid veterans like Tony Clark and Damian Easley, he inherited that team broke it down and rebuilt. When he broke that team up it took him 2 years to rebuild.

[jacksonianmarch]

He rebuilt the Tigers by sucking terribly, rebuilding his farm and they hit on one of their high picks in Verlander. Then he used money and deals to build as he showed he could do. He signed Pudge. Traded for Polanco by dealing off Urbina. Traded for Guillen with prospects. Drafted Granderson. Signed Ordonez. Traded for Bonderman by dealing off Jeff Weaver. Traded for Robertson by dealing prospects. Signed Kenny Rogers. Zumaya was a drafted guy by DD. Rodney was signed by the prior regime as an IFA. Jones was a FA signing.

 

NOBODY has said DD cannot build a team. DD has proven he can make some good selections when given very high draft picks. Case in point Beckett and Verlander. He is adept at trading and usually wins when he trades. He also seems to fill needs with money. One thing he has never proven to be able to do is sustain a farm when he puts his team in a window. Like I said, he gave you a now 3 yr window with a title and 3 ALE titles while putting you in the position to be the favorite again in 2019. But what he has done to the farm is what everyone expected. It is a boneyard

[moonslav59]

Have you looked at the roster it was all overpaid veterans like Tony Clark and Damian Easley, he inherited that team broke it down and rebuilt. When he broke that team up it took him 2 years to rebuild.

 

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you on DD's impressive rebuild and long run at being competitive.

 

I just felt like your claim that he made them a contender in 2 years was not true. It took 4 years. The team was then competitive for 7 of 9 years, which is a great and long stretch, before they hit a cliff.

[moonslav59]

He rebuilt the Tigers by sucking terribly, rebuilding his farm and they hit on one of their high picks in Verlander. Then he used money and deals to build as he showed he could do. He signed Pudge. Traded for Polanco by dealing off Urbina. Traded for Guillen with prospects. Drafted Granderson. Signed Ordonez. Traded for Bonderman by dealing off Jeff Weaver. Traded for Robertson by dealing prospects. Signed Kenny Rogers. Zumaya was a drafted guy by DD. Rodney was signed by the prior regime as an IFA. Jones was a FA signing.

 

NOBODY has said DD cannot build a team. DD has proven he can make some good selections when given very high draft picks. Case in point Beckett and Verlander. He is adept at trading and usually wins when he trades. He also seems to fill needs with money. One thing he has never proven to be able to do is sustain a farm when he puts his team in a window. Like I said, he gave you a now 3 yr window with a title and 3 ALE titles while putting you in the position to be the favorite again in 2019. But what he has done to the farm is what everyone expected. It is a boneyard

 

It's a 4 or 5 year window: 2016-2019 or 2020/

[jacksonianmarch]

It's a 4 or 5 year window: 2016-2019 or 2020/

 

Exactly. This season is the final year, IMO, of the sox being a top 4 MLB capable club. Attrition will hit after 2019 with JDM, Bogaerts, Sale, and Porcello all hitting the market while Price, Eovaldi and Pedroia are still under contract and the young guys start to rack up significant paydays. Maybe DD finds a way to prop it up for a year, but the house of cards will fall. So sox fans, enjoy the hell out of 2019.

[mvp 78]

Exactly. This season is the final year, IMO, of the sox being a top 4 MLB capable club. Attrition will hit after 2019 with JDM, Bogaerts, Sale, and Porcello all hitting the market while Price, Eovaldi and Pedroia are still under contract and the young guys start to rack up significant paydays. Maybe DD finds a way to prop it up for a year, but the house of cards will fall. So sox fans, enjoy the hell out of 2019.

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

The Sox can afford whatever payroll they want. They can keep everyone if they want to.

 

Back to back to back to back

 

Maybe in 2020 another team in the East could make a run. Jays? Rays?

[notin]

So ... thoughts on who makes MLB debuts this season?

 

Lakins seems obvious, since he is on the 40 man roster and the Sox likely use a ton of relievers, like every team does. Anyone else?

 

Thoughts?

[moonslav59]

So ... thoughts on who makes MLB debuts this season?

 

Lakins seems obvious, since he is on the 40 man roster and the Sox likely use a ton of relievers, like every team does. Anyone else?

 

Thoughts?

 

I'd say Lakins and Chavis (if he's not traded). Maybe Juan Centeno, assuming Swihart is traded.

[notin]

I'd say Lakins and Chavis (if he's not traded). Maybe Juan Centeno, assuming Swihart is traded.

 

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

[mvp 78]

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

 

111 games played from 13 - 18.

[mvp 78]

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

 

Has already suited up for 5 different MLB teams.

[mvp 78]

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

 

Actually played against the Sox in the playoffs in 2017.

[mvp 78]

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

 

He's so old, that he caught for Aaron Harang.

[mvp 78]

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

 

1.167 OPS against Trevor Bauer in multiple starts.

[mvp 78]

Juan Centeno made his MLB debut in 2013 with the Mets...

 

MLB Plate Appearances against 186 different pitchers.

[OH FOY]

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/11/16/18099138/boston-red-sox-top-20-prospects-for-2019

 

 

Found this, if you want to read.

Edited December 14, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/11/16/18099138/boston-red-sox-top-20-prospects-for-2019

 

 

Found this, if you want to read.

 

Thanks!

 

No A's or A-'s and only 5 B's.

 

I broke them down by estimated time of arrival:

 

2019:

B Chavis

B- Shawaryn

C+ Lakins

C+ Poyner

 

Late 2019:

B Dalbec

B DHernandez

C+ Ockimey

 

2020

B- Chatham

D Feltman

 

Late 2020

B- Houck

 

2021

B Mata

B Casas

B- Groome (?)

C+ DReyes

C+ Duran

C+ JDiaz

C+ KCrawford

 

2022

B- A Flores (?)

C+ Decker

C+ Howlett

 

[OH FOY]

Still going to keep an eye on Alexander Montero this year. That's my binky, besides Reyes. ha The way this game is evolving, a Pitcher that commands the Strike Zone will be as dangerous as a Pitcher that throws 100 MPH. Edited December 15, 2018 by OH FOY!

[jacksonianmarch]

With how velocities have gone, guys who throw low 90s now have almost no wiggle room. They either need to locate on a dime or have such movement that they cant be hit

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com

 

Roberto Clemente Professional Baseball League (Puerto Rico)

 

Coming off a week where he went 4 for 10, catcher Juan Centeno stayed hot, going 4 for 4 with two doubles and a run scored on Wednesday and followed it up by going 1 for 3 with a walk and a run scored.