2018 Prospect Mega Thread

[cp176]

Find me these so many people who look to Groome as a possible savior.

 

Who? lol

[cp176]

I find it strange that so many people poo-poo'd Espinoza as a long shot after we dealt him away and now look to Groome as a possible savior.

 

Our farm is weak. I don't think that is being pessimistic. I think it is being realistic.

 

I have hopes for several prospects, but the very best ones are so far away, it's hard to feel that confident.

 

 

You know what moon most of the time that I post I am trying to get some sort of reaction. It is my way of having fun I guess. With respect to our current farm system, everything you read from every possible expert agrees with what you and notin are saying. There is no arguement there. What I have to add is that a few years ago when I was in Portland watching a team that had both Benintendi and Moncada on it, I thought that for the most part they looked pathetic. I tend not to buy the hype one way or the other until I actually see these guys play. For all the talk about the Espinozas, Moncadas, and Kopeches, I am not judging any of those situations until I actually see them do something that screams greatness to me. Benintendi for all of the positive comments about what he was apt to do, did not look at all like the player he has become in a short time. I really do like the outlook for some of the guys that we have in our farm system. I'm bullish on the future of the franchise. A strong buy if you will!

[moonslav59]

Find me these so many people who look to Groome as a possible savior.

 

If it's not Groome, who else will prevent the imaginary cliff from happening?

[notin]

Really - you don't think that just saying that they will be good won't make them good? Everyday you post I learn something new!

 

Constantly beating a negative tone does no one any good. I have virtually no interest in what the experts think or project. My opinions quite often do not align with yours. I am ok with that. I absolutely believe that DD is in the process of creating a stronger farm and that he has gotten off to a good start. That is my opinion.

Everyday in my personal life, I am reminded of what the f***ing experts think and say and everyday I see many of them proven wrong. i am willing to watch things play out before I formulate an opinion of anything based upon any experts projection. It is kind of like a weather forecast to me. Im not going to cancel a day of school based on an experts projection. They are wrong too often.

 

This isn’t about being negative.

 

There are numerous organizations who evaluate farm systems, probably using a variety of criteria. All of them say the Sox farm is weak, especially when compared to other teams. All of them. The only people saying it isn’t are Sox fans in denial. And just because your local weatherman can’t do a 10 day forecast doesn’t change this.

 

It’s a bad farm. That’s ok, because the parent club is very, very good. The only issue is the Sox might struggle to add a player or two in December or July. But they probably have enough to get that done. And really, sometimes that’s doesn’t even take that much when you look at what the Sox have up the last two July’s.

 

In a couple years, this will be a bigger deal when the Sox try to replace Sale, Betts, Bogaerts and Bradley and the internal solutions might be Bryan Mata, Nick Decker, CJ Chatham and Jarran Duran. Those are not equal sets of players...

[notin]

If it's not Groome, who else will prevent the imaginary cliff from happening?

 

Groome may one day be a terrific pitcher, but right now I don’t like seeing him ranked so high in the Sox system. He’s been in the organization for three years, and in that time has thrown all of 62 innings, resulting in one more win (3) than his combined total of Tommy John surgeries and PED suspensions.

 

Either his high school pedigree is so immense it’s nearly impossible to tarnish, or the Sox farm is extremely weak that so few can surpass these extremely minimal accomplishments...

Edited November 7, 2018 by notin

[mvp 78]

Groome may one day be a terrific pitcher, but right now I don’t like seeing him ranked so high in the Sox system. He’s been in the organization for three years, and in that time has thrown all of 62 innings, resulting in one more win (3) than his combined total of Tommy John surgeries and PED suspensions.

 

Either his high school pedigree is so immense it’s nearly impossible to tarnish, or the Sox farm is extremely weak that so few can surpass these extremely minimal accomplishments...

 

I think he should be probably ranked 9th or 10th. I'd put Feltman ahead of Groome right now.

 

Just because Groome is ranked too high doesn't mean the system is completely void of talent.

[notin]

I think he should be probably ranked 9th or 10th. I'd put Feltman ahead of Groome right now.

 

Just because Groome is ranked too high doesn't mean the system is completely void of talent.

 

Groome is only like 20, so he isn’t a lost cause yet. But given how bad his first couple years have been, it is disheartening that so few prospects have surpassed him in the rankings.

 

Maybe when BA and Fangraphs and everyone else has their rankings, it will reflect differently on other prospects with respect to Groome.

 

But do you really see 4 who should have surpassed him?

[mvp 78]

Chavis

Dalbec

Casas

D Hernandez

Houk

Mata

Flores

Feltman

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he should be probably ranked 9th or 10th. I'd put Feltman ahead of Groome right now.

 

Just because Groome is ranked too high doesn't mean the system is completely void of talent.

 

No system is totally devoid of talent. All systems have a few players who will carve out good big league careers. The sox lack a can't miss talent. The talent they do have is thin with minimal depth. Some of the top 10 guys may hit, but right now, if none of them do, the 11-50 aren't charging hard to replace them

[OH FOY]

AFL Stats.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_bat&lid=119

 

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_pit&lid=119

 

 

Ockimey 20 k's in 53 AB's, Dalbec 29 K's in 62 AB's. Geez. Scouts not impressed with Ockimey, and his play at 1st. They compare him to a Justin Bour type of player.

Scouts are saying Dalbec has improved his Defense, so that's good news.

Edited November 11, 2018 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

Last day for AFL.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_bat&lid=119

[mvp 78]

AFL Stats.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_bat&lid=119

 

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_pit&lid=119

 

 

Ockimey 20 k's in 53 AB's, Dalbec 29 K's in 62 AB's. Geez. Scouts not impressed with Ockimey, and his play at 1st. They compare him to a Justin Bour type of player.

Scouts are saying Dalbec has improved his Defense, so that's good news.

 

I'm not worried about Dalbec's glove. I want to see the swing and miss of his bat not get worse as he progresses into the upper minors.

[mvp 78]

I think Chavis missing out on AFL time due to injury is a big issue. This guy is always hurt. You can't develop when sitting on the bench. I think Dalbec isn't really a Cora guy (too many k's) so he could be trade fodder, but I'm not sure sticking with Chavis will net you anything on this major league roster. I'd rather Dalbec in a some sort of DH/3B platoon on my bench than Chavis who is a worse defender and can't stay healthy.

[moonslav59]

I was really hoping that between Chavis, Dalbec and Ockimey, we could find a capable 1Bman by the time Moreland's deal ran out. 2019 would be a good time for one to help as a platoon, but I don't see it happening.

[OH FOY]

Mesa missed out on Play-offs by half game. Notice ties matter. No extra innings.

 

Final Stats.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=555

Edited November 16, 2018 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

This one always has me angry. Like he was just thrown in.

https://reviewingthebrew.com/2018/11/16/milwaukee-brewers-mauricio-dubon-eager-come-back-injury/

[a700hitter]

What has you angry about this article?

[moonslav59]

What has you angry about this article?

 

He wants Dubon & Shaw back.

 

The one bad deal DD has made, and some can't let go.

[cp176]

I'm really looking forward to watching to see how Feltman, Casas, and Flores develop this season. They are all a ways away but when we get a chance to see them we will be pleased.

[OH FOY]

He wants Dubon & Shaw back.

 

The one bad deal DD has made, and some can't let go.

 

Nah just want Dubon back, they can keep Shaw.

Edited November 21, 2018 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

What has you angry about this article?

 

I think I said like he was thrown in on that Trade. In about a year, we might need him. That Salem team was good , with Moncada leading off, then Dubon, then Bennintendi. Dubon is a good SS.

Edited November 21, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

Lets see, I think I said like he was thrown in on that Trade. In about a year, we might need him. Or pay 20+ to Xander. OK Moon you can put your 2 cents in. I'm done.

 

I liked Dubon a lot. I was not high on Shaw at all.

 

I liked the trade, because Thornburg looked awesome. The weird injury was hard to foresee.

 

I wish we had Dubon now, and Shaw is playing 2B for MIL, so he could help us there, but I'm not going to be hard on DD for this trade, since I liked it at the time, and we have a ring, now.

[moonslav59]

I'm really looking forward to watching to see how Feltman, Casas, and Flores develop this season. They are all a ways away but when we get a chance to see them we will be pleased.

 

We could really use a big jump by someone. Nobody really did this year.

 

I'm looking at Mata and D Hernandez as one to add to your list.

[jacksonianmarch]

We could really use a big jump by someone. Nobody really did this year.

 

I'm looking at Mata and D Hernandez as one to add to your list.

 

I have said before and I will say again, DD has not drafted well because he is drafting ceiling guys with low chances of hitting and hadn't been making the Feltman type picks that have higher probs of making the team quickly. Every draft needs to have high floor guys. DD seems to love the guys with All Star potential but a 5% chance of reaching it. A good draft has a mix of ceiling and floor guys. Especially when drafting late, using the middle rounds to nab pitchers who profile well out of the pen could really save some serious money

[Carpin]

I have said before and I will say again, DD has not drafted well because he is drafting ceiling guys with low chances of hitting and hadn't been making the Feltman type picks that have higher probs of making the team quickly. Every draft needs to have high floor guys. DD seems to love the guys with All Star potential but a 5% chance of reaching it. A good draft has a mix of ceiling and floor guys. Especially when drafting late, using the middle rounds to nab pitchers who profile well out of the pen could really save some serious money

 

That was Cashman strategy for several years, all or nothing guys, at the end it didn't payoff with ML players, a few exceptions only reached the ML

[moonslav59]

The jury is still out to some extent, but there has to be some major steps made by some of DD's picks in 2019 to show all is not lost.

 

We've had some key injuries and unwanted suspensions, but there still is a little hope on a few guys. The problem is, the best hopes are at least 2-3 years away.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Dombrowski is a great evaluator of talent and that is why I'm so optimistic about the future of the Red Sox farm system. I'm predicting the emergence of some high end prospects including Groome, Dalbec, Casas, Houck, Feltman, and Flores.

[moonslav59]

Dombrowski is a great evaluator of talent and that is why I'm so optimistic about the future of the Red Sox farm system. I'm predicting the emergence of some high end prospects including Groome, Dalbec, Casas, Houck, Feltman, and Flores.

 

DD seems to be better at evaluating ML talent over young prospects.

 

He's drafted 3 cycles. Usually, you start seeing results or at least some nationally recognized prospects emerge by now.

 

This next draft will be his lowest picks ever.

 

I'm trying to stay hopeful, but I don't see much evidence to be optimistic on this front.

[Station 13]

Being contender and the draft system is handcuffed to hurt us. The IFA is not what it once were with the caps in place. We also don't get 2 high picks for a once Type A free agent like Kimbrel anymore. We could gotten as high as the 11th Pick under the old system. We get a pick after the 4th round (in the 130th+ range) for Kimbrel.

[moonslav59]

Being contender and the draft system is handcuffed to hurt us. The IFA is not what it once were with the caps in place. We also don't get 2 high picks for a once Type A free agent like Kimbrel anymore. We could gotten as high as the 11th Pick under the old system. We get a pick after the 4th round (in the 130th+ range) for Kimbrel.

 

Exactly. The system is now set up to really hurt the winning and big spending teams, and we are both.

 

We got spoiled by the old system that actually helped the teams like us with comp picks and drafts where (good) prospects wanting big money fell to the bottom of the order. We also really struck gold on international signings for many years. That is much harder to do, now.

 

I don't want to come off as a pessimist. Usually, posters criticize me for being too optimistic, but I just don't get how some can be so optimistic about our chances at rebuilding our farm into something close to what it used to be. It may not be impossible, but several decks are stacked against us.