Price out with forearm soreness

[mvp 78]

Price has renewed stiffness in his elbow and will be shut down indefinitely. Farrell hasn't closed the window on 2017, but admits that he is running out of time.

 

Why hasn't his magically healing arm fixed itself yet?

[jacksonianmarch]

My guess is that he's dealing with a tear. That being said, if he pitches into the playoffs and has surgery or he has it now, isn't that much different. The return time is typically 12-14 months with a return to effectiveness around 18 months. If he goes under the knife now, he's still likely out all of 2018 and if he goes under the knife in October, he should be fully back to himself by April 2019. I get his determination to pitch through it, but you can hurt other things if you favor a bad elbow

[southpaw777]

Personally I think Price is an entitled whiny crybaby...hes been "the 'man" since he was young...thru HS and then at Vanderbuilt, where he was lived and their star player...gets to TB and its the same thing. #1 draft pick...Price can do no wrong...comes to boston where we LOVE baseball and the Sox. Doesnt matter what youve done before, it matters what you do here...he looked terrible and we let him know it...God forbid you say something negative about this fn pussy. The whole "im sticking up for my teammates" excuse with the Eck incident is so much ******** it makes me sick...he was pissed at Eck for his criticism of his own pitching, not Erod. Who by the way DID had a terrible line in his rehab. "yuck" was mild describing it...price may have some issue with that arm but id bet the guy is also just taking time off because hes got so much heat on him and his ego cant hamdle it...if he needs TJS then get it and be done with this team. Waste of $$...hopefully he ops out and NEVER wears the sox uni again....we obviously dont need him.

[jad]

Yeah, since he went down, (or went back to sulk in his tent, giving his armor to his good buddy Erod), the RS have been in a nose-dive. No way they can win without him.

[OH FOY]

personally i think price is an entitled whiny crybaby...hes been "the 'man" since he was young...thru hs and then at vanderbuilt, where he was lived and their star player...gets to tb and its the same thing. #1 draft pick...price can do no wrong...comes to boston where we love baseball and the sox. Doesnt matter what youve done before, it matters what you do here...he looked terrible and we let him know it...god forbid you say something negative about this fn pussy. The whole "im sticking up for my teammates" excuse with the eck incident is so much ******** it makes me sick...he was pissed at eck for his criticism of his own pitching, not erod. Who by the way did had a terrible line in his rehab. "yuck" was mild describing it...price may have some issue with that arm but id bet the guy is also just taking time off because hes got so much heat on him and his ego cant hamdle it...if he needs tjs then get it and be done with this team. Waste of $$...hopefully he ops out and never wears the sox uni again....we obviously dont need him.

 

bingo!!!! We got bingo!!!!

[SoxnCycles]

Personally I think Price is an entitled whiny crybaby...hes been "the 'man" since he was young...thru HS and then at Vanderbuilt, where he was lived and their star player...gets to TB and its the same thing. #1 draft pick...Price can do no wrong...comes to boston where we LOVE baseball and the Sox. Doesnt matter what youve done before, it matters what you do here...he looked terrible and we let him know it...God forbid you say something negative about this fn pussy. The whole "im sticking up for my teammates" excuse with the Eck incident is so much ******** it makes me sick...he was pissed at Eck for his criticism of his own pitching, not Erod. Who by the way DID had a terrible line in his rehab. "yuck" was mild describing it...price may have some issue with that arm but id bet the guy is also just taking time off because hes got so much heat on him and his ego cant hamdle it...if he needs TJS then get it and be done with this team. Waste of $$...hopefully he ops out and NEVER wears the sox uni again....we obviously dont need him.

 

Couldn't agree more.

[Kimmi]

Thanks Dave!

[SoxnCycles]

thanks dave!

 

lol

[fxkatt]

I dissent. I don't think the idea of the "whiny" professional athlete has much traction. Never when it comes to injuries, and rarely when it comes to ego. I've noticed over the years that fans rarely mind the ego of star athletes on their own teams---except when they begin to under-perform, and then the bitterness sets in. The star becomes the spoiled brat or the whiner.

 

This does not mean that I supported the signing of Price for that contract. I was solidly opposed to it, as I was to the signings of Hanley, and Sandoval.

[moonslav59]

Personally I think Price is an entitled whiny crybaby...hes been "the 'man" since he was young...thru HS and then at Vanderbuilt, where he was lived and their star player...gets to TB and its the same thing. #1 draft pick...Price can do no wrong...comes to boston where we LOVE baseball and the Sox. Doesnt matter what youve done before, it matters what you do here...he looked terrible and we let him know it...God forbid you say something negative about this fn pussy. The whole "im sticking up for my teammates" excuse with the Eck incident is so much ******** it makes me sick...he was pissed at Eck for his criticism of his own pitching, not Erod. Who by the way DID had a terrible line in his rehab. "yuck" was mild describing it...price may have some issue with that arm but id bet the guy is also just taking time off because hes got so much heat on him and his ego cant hamdle it...if he needs TJS then get it and be done with this team. Waste of $$...hopefully he ops out and NEVER wears the sox uni again....we obviously dont need him.

 

It's so much fun destroying a conceited man's ego, isn't it?.

 

Who cares, if it makes our team lose some games while we are enjoying ourselves.

 

Who cares, if future over-confident players won't want to come here anymore.

 

These uppity players need to be shown their place! (Not meant to have any racial connotations here.)

 

 

Look, I agree that some of these guys' heads are so swollen they can't get their act together, but we are all human- even those making $31M a year and not producing. I'm still cutting the guy a little more slack. Maybe he can learn from this awakening experience. Maybe it will take time for us to recognize a change. I realize people don't change very often, and when they do, it takes time and effort.

 

Just my opinion.

[moonslav59]

I dissent. I don't think the idea of the "whiny" professional athlete has much traction. Never when it comes to injuries, and rarely when it comes to ego. I've noticed over the years that fans rarely mind the ego of star athletes on their own teams---except when they begin to under-perform, and then the bitterness sets in. The star becomes the spoiled brat or the whiner.

 

This does not mean that I supported the signing of Price for that contract. I was solidly opposed to it, as I was to the signings of Hanley, and Sandoval.

 

I agree. We'll never know if Pedro was a whiner, because he never did poorly in this town. The one time he did poorly in the playoffs, we ran the manager out of town for leaving him in too long.

 

Remember when Big Papi was struggling for a year and a half or so? Many suggested he be platooned (me) while others called for him to be demoted (rehab) or moved down to 7th or 8th in the line-up. Fans and the media began to question him, his leadership skills, and his "leading by example" for not running out some grounders. Papi started biting back. He complained about losing Manny's protection and his unfair treatment. One could have called him a whiner.

 

Look what happened to Yaz when he declined in productivity. (He was always somewhat of a bitter man, but he got worse as his poor treatment increased.

 

It's not easy for players used to experiencing greatness for a long time to suddenly face adversity. Many do not handle it well. It's understandable. I'm not condoning asinine behavior, but Price is not alone.

 

[OH FOY]

Still think Southpaw has Bingo.

[jad]

I dissent. I don't think the idea of the "whiny" professional athlete has much traction. Never when it comes to injuries, and rarely when it comes to ego. I've noticed over the years that fans rarely mind the ego of star athletes on their own teams---except when they begin to under-perform, and then the bitterness sets in. The star becomes the spoiled brat or the whiner.

 

This does not mean that I supported the signing of Price for that contract. I was solidly opposed to it, as I was to the signings of Hanley, and Sandoval.

 

Price isn't 'whiny'; he's a belligerent a-hole, who gathered a bunch of other a-hole team-mates to publicly berate a 65 year old hall of famer. THAT'S what most fans don't like about him. It's the kind of unprofessional behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in any work-place that most of us have had to deal with.

[Kimmi]

I don't know whether Price is a whiny spoiled brat or not, but I think it's funny how quickly the tide has turned on him. The great majority of posters wanted him here regardless of the cost. He was supposed to be the 'ace' that we needed so badly. He was by all accounts a great leader and a fierce competitor.

 

I didn't like the contract and I didn't like the way he treated Eck. That aside, I still think that he's a competitor who wants more than anything to be on the field helping his team win a championship. If there is anyway that he can get back this year, he will.

[notin]

Price isn't 'whiny'; he's a belligerent a-hole, who gathered a bunch of other a-hole team-mates to publicly berate a 65 year old hall of famer. THAT'S what most fans don't like about him. It's the kind of unprofessional behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in any work-place that most of us have had to deal with.

 

Exactly. Where I work, a bunch of people got in trouble for berating Bert Blyleven and had to be let go. Or, this didn't happen but attempting to compare MLB jobs to the regular workforce are stupid.

 

What Price did was childish. It probably wasn't his first childish action and won't be his last, something that applies to a huge chunk of MLB players. If he wasn't such a non-factor this year, his personality would probably be much less of a story...

[notin]

I don't know whether Price is a whiny spoiled brat or not, but I think it's funny how quickly the tide has turned on him. The great majority of posters wanted him here regardless of the cost. He was supposed to be the 'ace' that we needed so badly. He was by all accounts a great leader and a fierce competitor.

 

I didn't like the contract and I didn't like the way he treated Eck. That aside, I still think that he's a competitor who wants more than anything to be on the field helping his team win a championship. If there is anyway that he can get back this year, he will.

 

 

Love it.

 

A big part of this story is because he's having an awful season. Do people think that if Price was putting up Sale numbers, the Globe staff would be proposing "Hey let's do a story on how immature the star pitcher is!"

 

Sale was the same way in Chicago last year. The press was able to make him look bad because the team was awful. Sale didn't suddenly turn into an a-hole at age 28...

[jad]

Exactly. Where I work, a bunch of people got in trouble for berating Bert Blyleven and had to be let go. Or, this didn't happen but attempting to compare MLB jobs to the regular workforce are stupid.

 

What Price did was childish. It probably wasn't his first childish action and won't be his last, something that applies to a huge chunk of MLB players. If he wasn't such a non-factor this year, his personality would probably be much less of a story...

 

Do you really think so? That the amount of money an employee gets paid entitles them to privileges less well paid employees do not enjoy? So you would tolerate, say, sexist or racist crap in a MLB clubhouse because it is "unlike the regular workforce"?

[Bellhorn04]

Love it.

 

A big part of this story is because he's having an awful season. Do people think that if Price was putting up Sale numbers, the Globe staff would be proposing "Hey let's do a story on how immature the star pitcher is!"

 

Sale was the same way in Chicago last year. The press was able to make him look bad because the team was awful. Sale didn't suddenly turn into an a-hole at age 28...

 

What also got kind of buried in this story is that, for better or worse, there appear to be some genuine hard feelings toward Eckersley in the Sox clubhouse going back a few years, as documented by the picture with JBJ thing.

[Kimmi]

Love it.

 

A big part of this story is because he's having an awful season. Do people think that if Price was putting up Sale numbers, the Globe staff would be proposing "Hey let's do a story on how immature the star pitcher is!"

 

Sale was the same way in Chicago last year. The press was able to make him look bad because the team was awful. Sale didn't suddenly turn into an a-hole at age 28...

 

This type of thing happens all the time. Lackey at one point was the worst human being in the history of baseball. His character was assassinated when he was pitching poorly. A few years later, Ben was an idiot for trading him away. Go figure.

 

I'm not excusing Price for his behavior towards Eck. But I'm guessing the whole thing became way more of a story than it ever should have been.

[Northern Star]

I don't know whether Price is a whiny spoiled brat or not, but I think it's funny how quickly the tide has turned on him. The great majority of posters wanted him here regardless of the cost. He was supposed to be the 'ace' that we needed so badly. He was by all accounts a great leader and a fierce competitor.

 

 

The alcohol wore off.

[Northern Star]

Thanks Dave!

 

Again, why can't we "like" posts on this board?

[Kimmi]

Again, why can't we "like" posts on this board?

 

In all seriousness, I cannot blame Dombrowski for Price's performance to date (not that it's been bad, just not up to expectation) or for Price's injury. I can blame him for giving Price that contract, but the contract should have been well worth it in the first years. I don't think anyone really anticipated the underperformance, the injury, or the 'mental issues' occurring in the first 4 years of the contract.

[Bellhorn04]

In all seriousness, I cannot blame Dombrowski for Price's performance to date (not that it's been bad, just not up to expectation) or for Price's injury. I can blame him for giving Price that contract, but the contract should have been well worth it in the first years. I don't think anyone really anticipated the underperformance, the injury, or the 'mental issues' occurring in the first 4 years of the contract.

 

Just about any move a baseball GM makes, other than the really minor ones, involves the risk of failure.

[oldtimer]

In all seriousness, I cannot blame Dombrowski for Price's performance to date (not that it's been bad, just not up to expectation) or for Price's injury. I can blame him for giving Price that contract, but the contract should have been well worth it in the first years. I don't think anyone really anticipated the underperformance, the injury, or the 'mental issues' occurring in the first 4 years of the contract.

 

I was against giving an aging pitchers a 7 year mega contract but also didn't expect a decline so early in the contract. The injury is a part of pitching, especially for those with accumulated innings and could have been anticipated and used as a reason not to sign for more than a 3 year period. If we couldn't get him then so be it.

[moonslav59]

It's not surprising to me that Price stumbled pretty much right out of the gate. I wouldn't have predicted it, but a lot of the biggest signings over the last 20 years have been busts since day one or shortly thereafter. The majority fail to reach expectations.

 

I'm against the philosophy of these massive contracts, but we really, really, really needed an ace (or two), and I felt like Price was about as good a gamble as one could ever hope for. Yeah, others have worked out better, but did Scherzer really look better than Price when he was signed?

 

I just hope we can get some value out of him going forward. It's looking more and more like his 2017 season is toast... maybe 2018 too.

[Larry Cook]

It's not surprising to me that Price stumbled pretty much right out of the gate. I wouldn't have predicted it, but a lot of the biggest signings over the last 20 years have been busts since day one or shortly thereafter. The majority fail to reach expectations.

 

I'm against the philosophy of these massive contracts, but we really, really, really needed an ace (or two), and I felt like Price was about as good a gamble as one could ever hope for. Yeah, others have worked out better, but did Scherzer really look better than Price when he was signed?

 

I just hope we can get some value out of him going forward. It's looking more and more like his 2017 season is toast... maybe 2018 too.

 

If he needs tommy John, his 2018 is toast.

 

I would like to see us bring up beeks in September to see what he has.

[fxkatt]

Again, why can't we "like" posts on this board?

 

I get the gist of it, but one thing I appreciate about this board is the absence of all these personal ratings. My chief reason is that they promote responses which have popularity and ratings in mind. You don't write what you really want to but what elicits votes. This is a subtle pressure that takes you away from your own opinion and thought. It's like a journalist having to write for an editor (this will be changed so I will say it his other way).

 

Up and down votes here might cause a minor form or self-censorship but I think it's real enough to undermine one's independence. (I don't mean to get too lofty but you get my point)

[notin]

Do you really think so? That the amount of money an employee gets paid entitles them to privileges less well paid employees do not enjoy? So you would tolerate, say, sexist or racist crap in a MLB clubhouse because it is "unlike the regular workforce"?

 

A little scope creep? Sexism and racism are irrelevant here. You called out Price for his treatment of Eckersley which, while immature, was also clearly what the rest of the team was thinking. Exactly why is that so reprehensible that we need all of the references to how it would be treated in our own places of work?

 

This is not about sexism, racism or money and entitlement. The mention of those things is just moving the goal posts...

[cp176]

A little scope creep? Sexism and racism are irrelevant here. You called out Price for his treatment of Eckersley which, while immature, was also clearly what the rest of the team was thinking. Exactly why is that so reprehensible that we need all of the references to how it would be treated in our own places of work?

 

This is not about sexism, racism or money and entitlement. The mention of those things is just moving the goal posts...

 

From what I have read or heard, i guess I would say that I'm not a big fan of his if this is in reality who Price is. With respect to that though, I do not think that he is some malcontent who is making for a negative clubhouse. Saying that we do not need and could not use a healthy Price is just silly IMO. I want this team to win. They are starting to do the things that I love to see being done on a regular basis. A healthy Price more than puts this team over the top potentially.

[Northern Star]

In all seriousness, I cannot blame Dombrowski for Price's performance to date (not that it's been bad, just not up to expectation) or for Price's injury. I can blame him for giving Price that contract, but the contract should have been well worth it in the first years. I don't think anyone really anticipated the underperformance, the injury, or the 'mental issues' occurring in the first 4 years of the contract.

 

You can't blame DD for giving the contract as much as the ownership and previous GM forcing him into it, practically. I hate these contracts, we all do, but if you want a top pitcher you've got to pay, and the staggering mismanagement of the rotation left us in that desperate position. Of course, Price has pretty much failed at the task assigned to him. I don't think anyone could honestly predict that at the time.