Price out with forearm soreness

[oldtimer]

You can't blame DD for giving the contract as much as the ownership and previous GM forcing him into it, practically. I hate these contracts, we all do, but if you want a top pitcher you've got to pay, and the staggering mismanagement of the rotation left us in that desperate position. Of course, Price has pretty much failed at the task assigned to him. I don't think anyone could honestly predict that at the time.

 

If I was JH, I would remind the FO experts to get into the pitcher development business seriously and try to avoid as many of these huge, long term contracts as we can. That the Price contract is turning out very badly seems indisputable. That the Sale contract has been excellent is also indisputable. So we win some and lose some, but a loss at this level can impact the team for years to come. We have to be in the market but please be smart.

[Kimmi]

Just about any move a baseball GM makes, other than the really minor ones, involves the risk of failure.

 

I realize that. But if you stick to smaller contracts, or more specifically shorter term contracts, then the risk is more manageable should the player completely bomb.

[Kimmi]

I was against giving an aging pitchers a 7 year mega contract but also didn't expect a decline so early in the contract. The injury is a part of pitching, especially for those with accumulated innings and could have been anticipated and used as a reason not to sign for more than a 3 year period. If we couldn't get him then so be it.

 

I was against the contract, but I figured he would be good for 4 years or so. IMO, he was about as sure a bet as you can get for a 30+ year old pitcher.

[Kimmi]

You can't blame DD for giving the contract as much as the ownership and previous GM forcing him into it, practically. I hate these contracts, we all do, but if you want a top pitcher you've got to pay, and the staggering mismanagement of the rotation left us in that desperate position. Of course, Price has pretty much failed at the task assigned to him. I don't think anyone could honestly predict that at the time.

 

You lost me right there.

[Northern Star]

You lost me right there.

 

Sorry we disagree, but we always will on this.

[Northern Star]

If I was JH, I would remind the FO experts to get into the pitcher development business seriously and try to avoid as many of these huge, long term contracts as we can. That the Price contract is turning out very badly seems indisputable. That the Sale contract has been excellent is also indisputable. So we win some and lose some, but a loss at this level can impact the team for years to come. We have to be in the market but please be smart.

 

What a concept, right?

[jad]

A little scope creep? Sexism and racism are irrelevant here. You called out Price for his treatment of Eckersley which, while immature, was also clearly what the rest of the team was thinking. Exactly why is that so reprehensible that we need all of the references to how it would be treated in our own places of work?

 

This is not about sexism, racism or money and entitlement. The mention of those things is just moving the goal posts...

 

OK. Then let's go back to facts: you think in a workplace, you are entitled to throw f-bombs publicly at other members of your organization (or those related to the organization) as long as you are being paid enough? I don't. We disagree, that's all.

[Bellhorn04]

I realize that. But if you stick to smaller contracts, or more specifically shorter term contracts, then the risk is more manageable should the player completely bomb.

 

That's certainly true. On the other hand refusing to giving out bigger contracts limits the pool of players available to you. It's all a somewhat tricky game IMHO.

[S5Dewey]

The owners feel the same way about the big money contracts as they do about signing PED players. They don't particularly like signing those contracts but they don't trust the other owners not to.

[jad]

That's certainly true. On the other hand refusing to giving out bigger contracts limits the pool of players available to you. It's all a somewhat tricky game IMHO.

 

Exactly. Because the decision is not yours. Players (somewhat astonishingly!), as well as their agents, have a say in this. And unless you negotiate a salary cap with them (which is unlikely) you're going to have to pay what the market will bear. Such a bad deal for the poor owners! who can't just pocket the millions those star-players bring them. I imagine in the end, the very extravagance of the salaries is in and of itself 'good for business' as lots of fans want to see how the 100 million dollar guy actually plays.

[Slasher9]

Personally I think Price is an entitled whiny crybaby...hes been "the 'man" since he was young...thru HS and then at Vanderbuilt, where he was lived and their star player...gets to TB and its the same thing. #1 draft pick...Price can do no wrong...comes to boston where we LOVE baseball and the Sox. Doesnt matter what youve done before, it matters what you do here...he looked terrible and we let him know it...God forbid you say something negative about this fn pussy. The whole "im sticking up for my teammates" excuse with the Eck incident is so much ******** it makes me sick...he was pissed at Eck for his criticism of his own pitching, not Erod. Who by the way DID had a terrible line in his rehab. "yuck" was mild describing it...price may have some issue with that arm but id bet the guy is also just taking time off because hes got so much heat on him and his ego cant hamdle it...if he needs TJS then get it and be done with this team. Waste of $$...hopefully he ops out and NEVER wears the sox uni again....we obviously dont need him.

 

Lefty spitting the TRUTH.

unfortunately your last sentence will never ever ever happen. as i have stated numerous times...this will go down as the worst contract ever.

 

#slasherwasright

[Slasher9]

I get the gist of it, but one thing I appreciate about this board is the absence of all these personal ratings. My chief reason is that they promote responses which have popularity and ratings in mind. You don't write what you really want to but what elicits votes. This is a subtle pressure that takes you away from your own opinion and thought. It's like a journalist having to write for an editor (this will be changed so I will say it his other way).

 

Up and down votes here might cause a minor form or self-censorship but I think it's real enough to undermine one's independence. (I don't mean to get too lofty but you get my point)

 

good point. that said...i'm sure all my posts would have the most "likes"......

[S5Dewey]

good point. that said...i'm sure all my posts would have the most "likes"......

 

I'm not sure about the posts but IMO you have the best avatars of anyone here!

[TylerD]

In all seriousness, I cannot blame Dombrowski for Price's performance to date (not that it's been bad, just not up to expectation) or for Price's injury. I can blame him for giving Price that contract, but the contract should have been well worth it in the first years. I don't think anyone really anticipated the underperformance, the injury, or the 'mental issues' occurring in the first 4 years of the contract.

 

Agreed with this completely. I am not in favour or against the contract we gave Price. I knew he would need a lot of money to pitch here. And last year we got exactly what we thought we would. He was fantastic through the regular season and then come post season he stinks it up. We all know that is what he does. He did it with Tampa and he did it with the Jays. The hope was to bring him here and with our offense and supporting staff he could get a win in the playoffs. Nobody would have predicted this year. However saying that I still think he would be the same Price if he wasn't missing so much time. He has had some good games this year and shows signs of his old self. Of course with how much time he is missing now it's definitely concerning. It happens every day unfortunately in sports. Players under perform and get injured. It's a risk you have to be willing to take. It could happen with Chris Sale too.

[OH FOY]

Probably will for Sale too. You put that many innings on an arm, and you hit age 30, its tough, especially for Power Pitchers. Either he needs surgery or not. What's with these Doctors? Make a decision so team can take measures leading to the Play-offs. Maybe by Aug. 31.

As of right now he probably needs at least 2 weeks of rehab, clock is ticking.

[Hugh2]

It's always best to avoid surgery, but if surgery is inevitable you really would have wanted to him to just of had it at the beginning of the season. If he has it now he will miss the rest of this season and next.

[mvp 78]

It's always best to avoid surgery, but if surgery is inevitable you really would have wanted to him to just of had it at the beginning of the season. If he has it now he will miss the rest of this season and next.

 

He was hoping he could play through it and opt out. Now, he's going to be stuck getting surgery and will have worry what Eck is saying about him on every broadcast for the next 5 years.

[Kimmi]

That's certainly true. On the other hand refusing to giving out bigger contracts limits the pool of players available to you. It's all a somewhat tricky game IMHO.

 

Absolutely.

 

But in my perfect world, you have such a strong farm system that you field the team with mostly home grown players, trade sparingly to fill in some of the holes, then the need for those superstar players is lessened. You can get by with the Mike Napolis and the Rick Porcellos of the world.

 

I realize that there are times when a team will have to give out a large contract. That should be the exception, not the norm. And for me, I'd try to stay in the 5-6 year range with the big contracts. I just think a 10 year deal is insane.

[mvp 78]

Absolutely.

 

But in my perfect world, you have such a strong farm system that you field the team with mostly home grown players, trade sparingly to fill in some of the holes, then the need for those superstar players is lessened. You can get by with the Mike Napolis and the Rick Porcellos of the world.

 

I realize that there are times when a team will have to give out a large contract. That should be the exception, not the norm. And for me, I'd try to stay in the 5-6 year range with the big contracts. I just think a 10 year deal is insane.

 

Unfortunately, it's hard to develop starting pitching and the Sox seem exceedingly incompetent at it.

[Kimmi]

Exactly. Because the decision is not yours. Players (somewhat astonishingly!), as well as their agents, have a say in this. And unless you negotiate a salary cap with them (which is unlikely) you're going to have to pay what the market will bear. Such a bad deal for the poor owners! who can't just pocket the millions those star-players bring them. I imagine in the end, the very extravagance of the salaries is in and of itself 'good for business' as lots of fans want to see how the 100 million dollar guy actually plays.

 

Yeah, the sexy signings will put fans in the seats, supposedly.

[Kimmi]

Agreed with this completely. I am not in favour or against the contract we gave Price. I knew he would need a lot of money to pitch here. And last year we got exactly what we thought we would. He was fantastic through the regular season and then come post season he stinks it up. We all know that is what he does. He did it with Tampa and he did it with the Jays. The hope was to bring him here and with our offense and supporting staff he could get a win in the playoffs. Nobody would have predicted this year. However saying that I still think he would be the same Price if he wasn't missing so much time. He has had some good games this year and shows signs of his old self. Of course with how much time he is missing now it's definitely concerning. It happens every day unfortunately in sports. Players under perform and get injured. It's a risk you have to be willing to take. It could happen with Chris Sale too.

 

I really thought Price would have an ace like season this year, so much so that I didn't think we needed Sale. Turns out I was very wrong on that.

 

I am hoping that Price will be able to return at some point this season, and maybe pitch out of the bullpen if nothing else. It's sounding less and less likely though, as he has still not resumed throwing.

[TylerD]

I really thought Price would have an ace like season this year, so much so that I didn't think we needed Sale. Turns out I was very wrong on that.

 

I am hoping that Price will be able to return at some point this season, and maybe pitch out of the bullpen if nothing else. It's sounding less and less likely though, as he has still not resumed throwing.

 

Ya I think you are correct on that unfortunately . I would also like to see him return but seems unlikely at this point.

[SoxnCycles]

I really thought Price would have an ace like season this year, so much so that I didn't think we needed Sale. Turns out I was very wrong on that.

 

I am hoping that Price will be able to return at some point this season, and maybe pitch out of the bullpen if nothing else. It's sounding less and less likely though, as he has still not resumed throwing.

 

He's done.

The magic is gone from his magically healing elbow.

[Spudboy]

I'm not sure about the posts but IMO you have the best avatars of anyone here!

 

Yes his avatars have a certain high center of gravity to them.

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe

 

Price faced Lin, Marrero & Young. 11 plate appearances. 1 or maybe 2 hits, 1 walk, 4 strikeouts by my count. 47 pitches, 30 strikes.

 

On his way back.

[cp176]

Love him or hate him, he sure aa hell could still help us. You never can have too much.

[oldtimer]

Love him or hate him, he sure aa hell could still help us. You never can have too much.

 

I hope he can come back but if he needs TJ surgery, he will be out all of next year as well. Worst case we would be paying him $30 million a year for no value in 2017 and 2108.

 

Add that to the $19mil/ for Sandoval through 2020, $13 mil for Craig in 2018, $10.2 Mil/yr for Castillo for 4 more years and of course the $22.7 Mil/year for 2018 and possibly 2019 for an underachieving Hanley. No wonder JH is given pause to pour a lot of money into the FA market. Our FO made some poor decisions along the way but at least DD has generally made better ones. Price is on DD and most of us didn't like the length of that contract at the time, but that has become the going rate for Ace pitchers. one has to wonder why a guy along in his career should get a long contract though.

[Nick]

I hope he can come back but if he needs TJ surgery, he will be out all of next year as well. Worst case we would be paying him $30 million a year for no value in 2017 and 2108.

 

Add that to the $19mil/ for Sandoval through 2020, $13 mil for Craig in 2018, $10.2 Mil/yr for Castillo for 4 more years and of course the $22.7 Mil/year for 2018 and possibly 2019 for an underachieving Hanley. No wonder JH is given pause to pour a lot of money into the FA market. Our FO made some poor decisions along the way but at least DD has generally made better ones. Price is on DD and most of us didn't like the length of that contract at the time, but that has become the going rate for Ace pitchers. one has to wonder why a guy along in his career should get a long contract though.

 

Sandoval deal is only through 2019, although Sox is liable for $5M buy out option for 2020.

[Kimmi]

If Price makes it back, the question is whether we want him pitching out of the rotation or out of the pen in the playoffs. Right now, I'm leaning towards the pen, but that could change over the next couple of weeks.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's always best to avoid surgery, but if surgery is inevitable you really would have wanted to him to just of had it at the beginning of the season. If he has it now he will miss the rest of this season and next.

 

It's not always best to forgo surgery if the injury itself necessitates surgical intervention