Buchholz Traded to the Phillies

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know about incentives. But, according to the google, it's a 1.35 million base salary this year.

 

That's what he made in 2016.

[Kimmi]

I find it very valuable to get under LT limit this season.

 

Getting under the limit is no small thing, so that's a plus.

 

Unlike others, I am not glad to see Buchholz go. When he is on, he is really, really good. Even if it is only for 1/2 a season.

 

I just hope the trade doesn't come back to bite us.

[Spudboy]

Is it still too late to trade Brandon Workman and Mookie Betts for Matt Kemp???

 

lulz.

 

Did one of you guys actually propose that?

[Spudboy]

Getting under the limit is no small thing, so that's a plus.

 

Unlike others, I am not glad to see Buchholz go. When he is on, he is really, really good. Even if it is only for 1/2 a season.

 

I just hope the trade doesn't come back to bite us.

 

Me too. But a team takes that chance in any trade, really.

 

I hope that our rotation is REALLY healthy in 2017.

[moonslav59]

If this was the logic behind the trade, why pick up the option at all? Not like Tobias made it worth the risk.

 

What made Buchholz expendable was the acquisition of Sale, whose availability was unknown 5 weeks ago. ...

 

You answered your own question. Without sale, we keep Buch.

[Emp9]

Getting under the limit is no small thing, so that's a plus.

 

Unlike others, I am not glad to see Buchholz go. When he is on, he is really, really good. Even if it is only for 1/2 a season.

 

I just hope the trade doesn't come back to bite us.

 

I question how much of an opportunity he would have gotten anyhow. I liked everyone of our starters more to varying degrees. ANd payroll-wise it's almost like replacing Buch w/ Sale and saving $1.5M on top of it. I wish the best for Buch.

[Hugh2]

lulz.

 

Did one of you guys actually propose that?

 

Gerome did back in the old BDC days....he's ok guy but we used to bust each others ballz a lot. I never let that one go.

[mvp 78]

Here is the big question for TalkSox. Has this caused MVP to faint? I think that he (like I) firmly believed that the Buchholz saga would continue in Boston.

 

I feel like all the Christmas in my heart just blew up like a hydrogen bomb.

 

Too bad no one took me up on my sig bet.

[mvp 78]

No one cares about BDC.

[Nick]

That's what he made in 2016.

 

It will be close to $4.7M.....

[Nick]

Hell it would have been a great trade without anyone coming back....we just got $13.5M back....enough to pay Sale, Thornburg and Moreland. Are you f***ing kidding me...it's about time someone paid attention to details. Theo and Ben wasted money like drunken sailors.

 

This will set our 50% tax threshhold. More than likely we'll be able to pickup a need at trade deadline.

[TylerD]

Wow, they got someone in return for this idiot?!?! I would have just taken a bag of rocks.

 

Lmao!!

[moonslav59]

There is a lot more upside to Pomeranz then Buchholtz. ... He is is younger. He is under control for longer and he made it to the All-Star game last season. Also, unless you're getting the equivalent of what you gave up to get him, you're not trading him.

 

More upside in cost control and years of control, but Buch has a proven upside of performance that is nearly unmatched by anyone on our staff, even if just for a couple of half seasons.

 

I'm glad we got out from under the contract.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Kind of surprised to hear above the love for Clay Buchholz on the Phils radio and in some of the posts here. I am reading phrases like "ace stuff" and referencing a no-no from 10 years ago when the fact is this guy simply could not be counted on and it's been that way for a very long time. He was either missing starts due to injury or getting hammered far more often than he demonstrated "ace stuff".

 

Who cares what we got in return, dumping $13.5M was a great move.

[Jack Flap]

Anyone who thinks we didn't get enough here should really question what we would be willing to give up from our system for Clay Buchholz and his $13.5 million salary if he was on another team. My guess is it wouldn't be much.

 

If we ever hear about Josh Tobias again it will be more than I expect. The $ was the real point here.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Jack Flap

[Emp9]

Anyone who thinks we didn't get enough here should really question what we would be willing to give up from our system for Clay Buchholz and his $13.5 million salary if he was on another team. My guess is it wouldn't be much.

 

If we ever hear about Josh Tobias again it will be more than I expect. The $ was the real point here.

 

Then again, I didn't think much of Marco Hernandez when we got him (as the player to named) at the time. I think I'll give it some time before I voice my opinion on him. Meantime, the salary dump could prove important.

[Jack Flap]

Then again, I didn't think much of Marco Hernandez when we got him (as the player to named) at the time. I think I'll give it some time before I voice my opinion on him. Meantime, the salary dump could prove important.

 

He could always surprise us, but a 23 year old playing in A-ball who didn't crack Philly's top 30 prospects doesn't exactly scream big potential to me. I'm pretty sure Marco was younger, playing at a more age-appropriate level, and more highly regarded when we acquired him.

[Hugh2]

No one cares about BDC.

 

Someone asked a question and I answered it. I apologize that a BDC comment took up one line of space on this forum.

Edited December 21, 2016 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh
me no speel well

[mvp 78]

Thank you for your apology.

[Kingface]

no one cares about bdc.

 

#bdclm!!!!!!!

[notin]

Anyone who thinks we didn't get enough here should really question what we would be willing to give up from our system for Clay Buchholz and his $13.5 million salary if he was on another team. My guess is it wouldn't be much.

 

If we ever hear about Josh Tobias again it will be more than I expect. The $ was the real point here.

 

Exactly.

 

Bucholz' option was exercised as more of a safety net, just in casr no blockbuster Sale deal materialized. Coupled with the Moreland signing, this deal makes it obviousb that resetting the tax limit was a goal this off-season. ..

[Kingface]

Not gonna lie.....I was a bit upset with the trade AT FIRST. Having too many pitchers is only a problem when you're fighting for the number one pick in the draft. Buch had a solid second half when we needed him most. Having an experienced pitcher able to fill in WHEN (not IF) and injury happens is never a bad thing. Yes this team has Wright and others as a #6 which is very good but something tells me this may bite as at some point.

 

However, after thinking about it more, gaining $12mil in space is certainly not a bad thing at all and could help us more in the long run then holding onto Buch just for the sake of insurance. So now I'm for the trade.......yep.....I'm a flip flopper.......

[Dojji]

Thank god. I was so done with Buchholz. He had the talent to be one of the all time greats and it was so maddening to see how much his only consistent feature was inconsistency. Let him be someone else's problem now.

[a700hitter]

Thank god. I was so done with Buchholz. He had the talent to be one of the all time greats and it was so maddening to see how much his only consistent feature was inconsistency. Let him be someone else's problem now.

His career was a very frustrating disappointment. He had such great stuff, and he knew how to pitch. Early in his career, he had an unhittable changeup, and his ceiling was so high. I really expected such great things for him. I was at his debut at fenway -- a Day game as part of a Day/Night Double Header against the Angels. There was so much hoopla around him that the Red Sox handed out a special scorecard type of flyer that day. I think that I still have that stored somewhere.

[Eddy Ballgame]

Not gonna lie.....I was a bit upset with the trade AT FIRST. Having too many pitchers is only a problem when you're fighting for the number one pick in the draft. Buch had a solid second half when we needed him most. Having an experienced pitcher able to fill in WHEN (not IF) and injury happens is never a bad thing. Yes this team has Wright and others as a #6 which is very good but something tells me this may bite as at some point.

 

However, after thinking about it more, gaining $12mil in space is certainly not a bad thing at all and could help us more in the long run then holding onto Buch just for the sake of insurance. So now I'm for the trade.......yep.....I'm a flip flopper.......

 

Buchholz was certainly the kind of depth you like to have, but if they had kept him and he didn't make the rotation out of spring training, there's no doubt he would've asked to be traded. The guy is pitching for what might be his last contract.

[S5Dewey]

#bdclm!!!!!!!

 

LOL.. I thought of that immediately!!

[Kingface]

Buchholz was certainly the kind of depth you like to have, but if they had kept him and he didn't make the rotation out of spring training, there's no doubt he would've asked to be traded. The guy is pitching for what might be his last contract.

 

Excellent point and one that I didn't even think about.

[S5Dewey]

I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't like this deal.

 

First of all, I wanted him around for rotation depth. As has been pointed out, we had O'Sullivan making starts for us last year and IMO that's not acceptable. I don't want to jinx anyone but we now have a starting pitcher whose motion implies that he may have elbow trouble at some time and it would be nice to have someone around with ace stuff in case it happens.

 

Second, I don't think we got nearly enough for him. If they were Hell-bent on trading him that's fine. I understand their desire to get under the LT level so they can exceed it next year if necessary. However, Buch is still a good pitcher, albeit unreliable for more than half a season. In what world is that not worth more than a 26 year old High-A 2B?

I just cannot believe that there wouldn't be a club that will figure out in February, March, or April that they need a pitcher like Buch and would be willing to give up someone who would at least make us believe that we're rebuilding our farm.

 

But.... I've been the lone voice in the wilderness before....

[mvp 78]

I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't like this deal.

 

First of all, I wanted him around for rotation depth. As has been pointed out, we had O'Sullivan making starts for us last year and IMO that's not acceptable. I don't want to jinx anyone but we now have a starting pitcher whose motion implies that he may have elbow trouble at some time and it would be nice to have someone around with ace stuff in case it happens.

 

Second, I don't think we got nearly enough for him. If they were Hell-bent on trading him that's fine. I understand their desire to get under the LT level so they can exceed it next year if necessary. However, Buch is still a good pitcher, albeit unreliable for more than half a season. In what world is that not worth more than a 26 year old High-A 2B?

I just cannot believe that there wouldn't be a club that will figure out in February, March, or April that they need a pitcher like Buch and would be willing to give up someone who would at least make us believe that we're rebuilding our farm.

 

But.... I've been the lone voice in the wilderness before....

Apparently in the same world you're living in. I don't think the Phillies were the only organization that the Sox discussed Clay with. This was probably the best deal they could get without eating money.

[a700hitter]

Apparently in the same world you're living in. I don't think the Phillies were the only organization that the Sox discussed Clay with. This was probably the best deal they could get without eating money.

The stories that I read indicated that DD was pushng Buch, but the other GMs were interested in Pom. Last year, there were also no takers for Buch. The Mariners declined on Buch and went for Miley.