Eddy Ballgame

Ben wasn't going to undermine his boss to Abraham for a Globe article. Ben wasn't the only one in the Front Office who thought that offer was a joke.

That was Lucchino who publicly defended it. Ben was livid over that offer. Scherzer had just rejected 160 extension from Detroit and Bailey re-upped with Cincy for 110. Offering Lester "80" was idiotic. All Lucchino on that deal.

Miller said that the Sox offered him 4/32, which, unlike the Lester offer, was at least legit under the circumstances at the time.

I didn't think it was any kind of "secret" about the Lester offer. Believe what you want, but Ben Cherington knew that the offer was out of touch with "reality." Lucchino is the guy who publicly defended the offer, not Lucchino, who was Ben's boss by the way.

If you find the need to "blame" someone for the Sox butchering of the Lester deal, at least get it right. Ben had about as much to do with that ridiculous initial offer to Lester as you did. There are several reasons why Larry Lucchino is no longer involved in Front Office Ops for the Sox, and the Lester offer was certainly one of them.

Yep...10 titles in 4 sports since the turn of the century, but we still expect the worst. That's not going to change for any of us who were born before 1990.

If Price undergoes TJ surgery and is done for the year, they aren't going to trade Devers, Travis or Groome for a pitcher for lots of reasons. 2017 isn't win or bust. They aren't losing anyone of significance after this year. They should still be in the hunt barring anymore "significant" injuries to the rotation. Dombrowski is still in shock he was able to get Sale without trading Benintendi, Devers or Swihart, who were all deal breakers "apparently." He's also said several times in the nicest, most professional way possible that he couldn't believe how much Moncada sucked last year in his debut. He literally takes 10 seconds in between every word when asked about him.

No worries, Moon. The airing of the grievances is healthy on these types of forums. I WAS being condescending and definitely too "douchy." It probably won't be the last time. We'll probably have more positive banter than bad moving forward, though. Cheers...

Nice resume, Moonslav. I'm done arguing over something that we both see in a completely different light.

First off, you are "Captain Condescending," so I would think you'd be able to handle it when you get it back a little. I'm done arguing about Brock Holt. I won't lose a second's sleep if he's traded tomorrow.

I have nothing against "stats." They don't tell the whole story, though, especially in Holt's case. Someone stated their "opinion" that Holt was overrated by fans as if it was fact. As someone else mentioned, Holt's probably a replacement level player at best if he played every day. Those guys are a dime a dozen, but a guy who shows up at the park every day, mentally and physically ready to play any one of 7 positions is extremely rare, and therein lies his value.

Wow. All I can say is wow.

Stick to analyzing the stats, coming up with the same ridiculous trade proposals 400 times and copying and pasting minor league prospect rankings. In all seriousness, there's value in that on this message board. Try to avoid the human element of the game of baseball, though. Waaaayyyy over your head.

Ummmmm...John Farrell's not going to use his bench based on a statistical analysis that shows Josh Rutledge might have a better chance of catching a ground ball at 3rd base. He's going to try to keep guys fresh, and yes, barring injury, Brock Holt is going to have more at-bats and play more innings in the field than anyone else on the Sox bench this season. Their is no such thing as "first backup" or "2nd backup" at every position.