Red Sox Acquire Drew Pomeranz

[mvp 78]

That inning steamrolled on him. He needed to be taken out.

[Dojji]

I am honestly a little disappointed that he couldn't figure out how to settle down and limit the damage. that's a critical skill for a SP and Pomeranz wasn't able to accomplish it. I'm not going to read much into the outing, but the loss of composure was not a great sign.

[Slasher9]

so is this Pomeranz guy an upgrade over Clay? good thing he only cost us the best pitching prospect in our organization instead of a 1 year option.

[Dojji]

Yeah Slasher, that post? The one where you leap to conclusions after exactly one start? That is the stupid post. That is the one anyone who's been around any length of time knows not to make after a single appearance. There will be plenty of time to beat on the guy if he confirms to be yet another member of the Bastard Batallion. He hasn't done that yet.

[Hugh2]

DFA him.

[illinoisredsox]

Yeah Slasher, that post? The one where you leap to conclusions after exactly one start? That is the stupid post. That is the one anyone who's been around any length of time knows not to make after a single appearance. There will be plenty of time to beat on the guy if he confirms to be yet another member of the Bastard Batallion. He hasn't done that yet.

 

Always remember the requirements for any new member of the Red Sox. You must start out like Ted Cox and then morph into Fred Lynn. Anything less than that is unacceptable.

[illinoisredsox]

I am honestly a little disappointed that he couldn't figure out how to settle down and limit the damage. that's a critical skill for a SP and Pomeranz wasn't able to accomplish it. I'm not going to read much into the outing, but the loss of composure was not a great sign.

 

To be fair, that inning was weird. If I remember right, yeah, there were the home run bombs, but Green's hit was either a grounder or a bloop(?) and the last 2 combined may have reached 3rd base.

 

I'll chalk it up to being a little amped up and not having pitched in nearly 2 weeks.

Edited July 21, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[Slasher9]

Yeah Slasher, that post? The one where you leap to conclusions after exactly one start? That is the stupid post. That is the one anyone who's been around any length of time knows not to make after a single appearance. There will be plenty of time to beat on the guy if he confirms to be yet another member of the Bastard Batallion. He hasn't done that yet.

 

lol..i know. just getting in early for the "i told you so's".

listen, i get it. i expect him to pitch better than he did last night. and i really wont judge until 5 starts minimum. in reality, this trade cannot be judged until 4 years from now when we know what we got from Pom and we see what Espi is doing.

hopefully he rebounds from this and dominates in his next start.

[SoxnCycles]

lol..i know. just getting in early for the "i told you so's".

listen, i get it. i expect him to pitch better than he did last night. and i really wont judge until 5 starts minimum. in reality, this trade cannot be judged until 4 years from now when we know what we got from Pom and we see what Espi is doing.

hopefully he rebounds from this and dominates in his next start.

 

He's a Red sox pitcher now.

I'm giving him the rest of the season before I get on him, because, frankly, what are the alternatives?

 

It really doesn't matter if Espinoza is a star or a bust, it all depends on Pomeranz, IMO.

[jad]

Yeah, really. It was only one bad inning out of four, and even there, there were only a couple of home runs. Why hell, if you do that at the plate, you'd be hitting .750! And your HR numbers would be awesome.

[Slasher9]

He's a Red sox pitcher now.

I'm giving him the rest of the season before I get on him, because, frankly, what are the alternatives?

 

It really doesn't matter if Espinoza is a star or a bust, it all depends on Pomeranz, IMO.

 

with you 100% on this. if Pom helps us get a parade this season (or the next two years) i definitely wont complain even if Espi goes on to win 3 CY's.....

[User Name]

Yeah, really. It was only one bad inning out of four, and even there, there were only a couple of home runs. Why hell, if you do that at the plate, you'd be hitting .750! And your HR numbers would be awesome.

 

Eat a f***ing cone of ice cream. Sweeten up your existence man.

[a700hitter]

That inning steamrolled on him. He needed to be taken out.

Agreed. He looked lost, but with the 8 run lead I guess that Farrell felt that he could turn it around and get out of the inning. He pitched well to the final two batters, but they both got on base on 60 foot base hits. Without that bad luck, he probably gets out of that inning.

[Kimmi]

Agreed. He looked lost, but with the 8 run lead I guess that Farrell felt that he could turn it around and get out of the inning. He pitched well to the final two batters, but they both got on base on 60 foot base hits. Without that bad luck, he probably gets out of that inning.

 

One thing you cannot do is walk the lead off hitter after the team stakes you to an 8-0 lead. IMO, you throw the dude BP if you have to, but you make him hit his way on.

 

At any rate, it's one start. There are any number of reasons why he lost it in the 4th inning. I am hopeful that he'll bounce back.

[a700hitter]

One thing you cannot do is walk the lead off hitter after the team stakes you to an 8-0 lead. IMO, you throw the dude BP if you have to, but you make him hit his way on.

 

At any rate, it's one start. There are any number of reasons why he lost it in the 4th inning. I am hopeful that he'll bounce back.

He decided to throw his BP fastball after the first two batters got on.

[Spudboy]

So he sucked in his big stage debut. That hardly makes him unique.

[Bellhorn04]

It'd be interesting to see some stats for innings where the pitcher has been sitting in the dugout for say 25 minutes or more. We saw the same thing happen to Wright not long ago.

[illinoisredsox]

It'd be interesting to see some stats for innings where the pitcher has been sitting in the dugout for say 25 minutes or more. We saw the same thing happen to Wright not long ago.

 

Especially in the AL. In the NL during an inning that long, the pitcher at least gets to break up the monotony by going to the on-deck circle and the batters box for a couple minutes.

 

He wasn't that sharp before the 4th. It just caught up to him that inning. I think the fact that he hadn't pitched since July 7th played a big factor (although he won't say it did). That's a long time off for any pitcher to go without live action.

 

The guy posted an ERA under 2.5 and made the NL All-Star team; I doubt he forgot what he was doing on his cross-country flight.

[Slasher9]

Especially in the AL. In the NL during an inning that long, the pitcher at least gets to break up the monotony by going to the on-deck circle and the batters box for a couple minutes.

 

He wasn't that sharp before the 4th. It just caught up to him that inning. I think the fact that he hadn't pitched since July 7th played a big factor (although he won't say it did). That's a long time off for any pitcher to go without live action.

 

The guy posted an ERA under 2.5 and made the NL All-Star team; I doubt he forgot what he was doing on his cross-country flight.

 

all great points and reason to give him a "pass" for last night.

[Dojji]

I'll give him a mulligan, but not a pass. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen, but I'm not going to hold it against him.

[Thunder]

I'll give him a mulligan, but not a pass. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen, but I'm not going to hold it against him.

 

Seems like the best approach to me. We have to remember that this was his 4th start against SF this season. No matter how good you are, a professional offense is going to know your stuff after facing you that many times, and before long, will get to you. Let's see how he does after he settles in against AL competition. His next two starts are against decent AL teams, Detroit and the Angels, albeit good offensive teams. He should have the element of the unknown working for him then.

[moonslav59]

I won't even hold 5 game or even 15 game sample sizes against him or anyone in the sense that any definitive judgment is made..

[Jack Flap]

This may have been posted in another thread, but Pomeranz will not start again this season and his postseason status is in doubt due to forearm soreness:

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17655380/drew-pomeranz-boston-red-sox-start-thursday-going-forward-due-sore-arm

 

Ominous. With it looking more and more like the Padres sold us damaged goods, at what point do the Red Sox have to revisit the idea of reworking this trade or seeking compensation somehow?

[Bellhorn04]

This may have been posted in another thread, but Pomeranz will not start again this season and his postseason status is in doubt due to forearm soreness:

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17655380/drew-pomeranz-boston-red-sox-start-thursday-going-forward-due-sore-arm

 

Ominous. With it looking more and more like the Padres sold us damaged goods, at what point do the Red Sox have to revisit the idea of reworking this trade or seeking compensation somehow?

 

I think it might depend on exactly what information the Padres withheld about Pomeranz.

 

The other issue with him is his jump in innings pitched.

[Hugh2]

Regardless of what the Padres withhold about Pomeranz this is exactly what I said would happen to Drew. To my own discredit, anyone should have been able to predict this type of innings increase would lead to either injury or diminished results later in the season if not both, as many others did state.

[moonslav59]

Still wish we had Espinoza.

[User Name]

I'm fine with Pom Pom for the next two years, and the Sox had the option of handling him with more care. Everyone knew the large innings jump would have a negative effect.

[mvp 78]

Still wish we had Espinoza.

 

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=659262#/career/R/pitching/2016/ALL

 

He pitched worse after being traded. I'd rather have MLB guys and be competitive than hoard prospects that never pan out.

[moonslav59]

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=659262#/career/R/pitching/2016/ALL

 

He pitched worse after being traded. I'd rather have MLB guys and be competitive than hoard prospects that never pan out.

 

Never pan out?

 

Wow!

[User Name]

I think he means the Sox' recent record with pitching prospects, in which case he is actually correct.