Clay Buchholz - Is he worth the 2016 option?

[Jasonbay44]

And his definitely a lot worse than Lackey.

 

At least he came with Allen Craig!

[CliffKlowers]

Did anyone take notice that De La Rosa stinks with Colorado? Didn't we used to have him? Looks like getting rid of him was a wise decision.

[Jasonbay44]

Did anyone take notice that De La Rosa stinks with Colorado? Didn't we used to have him? Looks like getting rid of him was a wise decision.

 

That's the wrong De La Rosa. We had Rubby De La Rosa who is with the D-Backs. He isn't doing too bad.

[mvp 78]

That DeLa Rosa came up through the Sox organization too.

[devildavid]

Is this it? Bullpen? DL? Release? Any other possibilities?

 

Today bullpen, tomorrow the door. Clay is on his way out, one way or another.

[Slasher9]

At least he came with Allen Craig!

 

Lol jbay. +2 points.

[bosoxmal]

The eye-ball test never fails. He just does not have the stuff he once had, The move is even a little late, I think.

[Jack Flap]

Does anyone think that maybe -- just maybe -- a move to the bullpen will give Clay a chance to correct his issues and, by keeping his innings down, help him stay healthy through the season? It would be really nice if he could get back on track and we get his usual 10-15 start spurt of greatness around late summer/fall instead of spring/early summer (provided the rest of our rotation does not fall to pieces in the meantime).

 

That's probably the most extreme rose-colored-glasses way of looking at this, but I'm trying hard to find any positive to take away from this situation.

[Dojji]

That DeLa Rosa came up through the Sox organization too.

 

Yes was actually part of the trade that brought Curt Schilling to Boston unless I misremember.

 

And Jorge de la Rosa has had a decent if unimpressive career as an inconsistent but roughly average lefthanded starter. Pretty mich rich Hill's Mexican clone.

 

ERA+ of 98 over 12 seasonsis a reasonable#4 guy. Heck that's better than Buchholz. If the Rockies waive him, and the team thinks they can fix him, he might be on the list as a depth guy to put in the minors and see if he can get his mojo back (not like he hasn't done it before after a horrible season)

[Bellhorn04]

Yes was actually part of the trade that brought Curt Schilling to Boston unless I misremember.

 

And Jorge de la Rosa has had a decent if unimpressive career as an inconsistent but roughly average lefthanded starter. Pretty mich rich Hill's Mexican clone.

 

ERA+ of 98 over 12 seasonsis a reasonable#4 guy. Heck that's better than Buchholz.

 

Why would you say that, when Buchholz has a career ERA+ of 108?

[Dojji]

OK let me clarify: It's better than any version of buchholz we're ever seeing again.

[Emp9]

Does anyone think that maybe -- just maybe -- a move to the bullpen will give Clay a chance to correct his issues and, by keeping his innings down, help him stay healthy through the season? It would be really nice if he could get back on track and we get his usual 10-15 start spurt of greatness around late summer/fall instead of spring/early summer (provided the rest of our rotation does not fall to pieces in the meantime).

 

That's probably the most extreme rose-colored-glasses way of looking at this, but I'm trying hard to find any positive to take away from this situation.

 

I believe it was Moon who last season suggested a move to the BP for Buch with his usual pros & cons. I thought it was intetesting and maybe not the worst idea. Although in that scenario, Buch wouldn't be moved due to him sucking, it was a move of strength aftr signing another top SP and to preserve Buch's health and at the same time bolstering the BP. Me? I can see both Buch & Kelly in the BP, w/ ERod and (a trade for) a top SP taking their slots. Still.

[Jasonbay44]

That DeLa Rosa came up through the Sox organization too.

 

 

13 years ago. I just assumed he meant Rubby because Jorge never pitched a game for Boston and it doesn't make sense to comment on a guy we traded 13 years ago having a bad age 35 season.

[Jack Flap]

At least he came with Allen Craig!

It still baffles me that we could get such a s***** return for a #2 pitcher with a league minimum option for the following season. Yeah, I know Kelly may or may not put it all together at some point, but nearly two years after the trade he's still a project -- an unknown variable. He should have been a throw-in in that type of deal, not the headliner.

 

I can only presume that STL hackers dug up some serious dirt on Cherington.

[Bellhorn04]

It still baffles me that we could get such a s***** return for a #2 pitcher with a league minimum option for the following season. Yeah, I know Kelly may or may not put it all together at some point, but nearly two years after the trade he's still a project -- an unknown variable. He should have been a throw-in in that type of deal, not the headliner.

 

I can only presume that STL hackers dug up some serious dirt on Cherington.

 

The Lester 'negotiations' and the Lackey trade were out-and-out costly blunders, IMHO. We were in no position to be offloading such quality starters. And just look whose hands they both ended up in.

[Jack Flap]

The Lester 'negotiations' and the Lackey trade were out-and-out costly blunders, IMHO. We were in no position to be offloading such quality starters. And just look whose hands they both ended up in.

 

It always seemed to me that Ben was probably ordered from above to try to get major league ready talent in those trades, not prospects, to avoid the appearance of rebuilding and try to get back to winning in 2015 (and we know how that turned out). As a guy who's mostly criticised for being risk-averse to the extreme and prioritizing the long-term plan over the present, certain moves like the Lester/Lackey trades and the Hanley/Pablo signings never really seemed to fit Ben's MO. I'd have rather gotten the best prospects we could in both of those trades, and I suspect Ben might have as well.

 

Now, 0.3 years of Lester for 1.3 years of Cespedes (who, as we now know, was just around the corner from a major breakout) was not a bad trade in isolation, but the Lackey deal...yeah, we really got bent over.

[Palodios]

Normally when you trade two top of the rotation starters at the trade deadline, you should get elite prospects back. Ben's biggest failure was trading those guys for a net negative value.

 

It amazes me that he was able to get Erod for Miller, Hembree for Peavy, and dump Stephen Drew's contract that trade deadline, but couldn't get anything for Lester/Lackey.

[Spudboy]

The Lester 'negotiations' and the Lackey trade were out-and-out costly blunders, IMHO. We were in no position to be offloading such quality starters. And just look whose hands they both ended up in.

 

I am very long winded about the way Ben dismantled the rotation two years ago. My primary question is why? What was the end game in getting rid of anyone who pitched well for this team?

 

It is ironic that Theo now has both of him locked up and producing in his rotation.

 

Just dumb decision making by the Sox brass.

[Palodios]

The craziest thing to me is that over the last ten years... Clay Buchholz is the guy this team has stuck with.

 

He's the starter they decided to build their franchise around.

 

Think about that.

[Bellhorn04]

The craziest thing to me is that over the last ten years... Clay Buchholz is the guy this team has stuck with.

 

He's the starter they decided to build their franchise around.

 

Think about that.

 

I'm not sure they were building around him. Theo signed him to a 'team-friendly' deal that seemed to make him a worthwhile asset to keep.

[Dojji]

The craziest thing to me is that over the last ten years... Clay Buchholz is the guy this team has stuck with.

 

He's the starter they decided to build their franchise around.

 

Think about that.

 

No kidding. Lester was moved on to Oakland despite still being Jon Lester, just because he wanted a reasonable contract -- and it took 10 games of abject horridness before they finally decided that they had to move on from Buchholz.

 

Logic is not what huh...

[mvp 78]

Nope, he was just the bad penny no one else wanted to pick up.

[mvp 78]

@brianmacp Buchholz declined to speak to reporters again today, other than muttering, "I got (expletive) moved to the bullpen. You can write it down."

[bosoxmal]

I thought they might leave Clay in there today, and finish it off. Might have been a big boost to his confidence. (I know-- If he blew it----ughhh_)

[SinceYaz]

I thought they might leave Clay in there today, and finish it off. Might have been a big boost to his confidence. (I know-- If he blew it----ughhh_)

 

Farrell, I am assuming, would not want that last item to happen. It would be Clay's death knell. Professionally.

[Slasher9]

Clay trying to make a case.

After being a negative dollar player all season Fangraphs now has him worth $1MM.

do we go 6 man when Wright comes back or is it automatic that Clay goes back to the pen?

IMO we need to ride his hotstreak until he throws a stinker....

[Nick]

We certainly have options. It may not be a bad idea to give everyone one extra day off......not sure if that would backfire. Pitchers are creature of habits.

[Dojji]

no more coddlingClay. NO MORE

[illinoisredsox]

Clay trying to make a case.

After being a negative dollar player all season Fangraphs now has him worth $1MM.

do we go 6 man when Wright comes back or is it automatic that Clay goes back to the pen?

IMO we need to ride his hotstreak until he throws a stinker....

 

ERod has to be back before that can happen. However, I think Buchholz goes back to the pen since he has been pretty effective there; they certainly could use the help.

[mvp 78]

Totally! Great move imo!

 

Will be an even better move this time around!