Clay Buchholz - Is he worth the 2016 option?

[jacksonianmarch]

The thing about Owens that is so puzzling is that he had reports when he was in the low minors of throwing mid 90s. By the time he heads north and makes his debut last yr, he was barely touching 90. This year, he is barely hitting 88. Is he slowing it down intentionally to gain command? If so, it isn't really working. His command is awful both in and out of the zone. He is not a big league starter on a good team. He is at best a AAAA guy

[SoxnCycles]

I have no doubt Owens will get his swings and misses tonight. My concern is if his control isn't there that this team makes him pay when he puts guys on base.

 

Right now Owens is the type of pitcher who can pitch to this team if he's on....but a team like the White Sox will make him pay a lot more than NY did if he is all over the place.

 

Yup, limiting walks are going to be important.

Should be a good game.

[Hugh2]

The thing about Owens that is so puzzling is that he had reports when he was in the low minors of throwing mid 90s. By the time he heads north and makes his debut last yr, he was barely touching 90. This year, he is barely hitting 88. Is he slowing it down intentionally to gain command? If so, it isn't really working. His command is awful both in and out of the zone. He is not a big league starter on a good team. He is at best a AAAA guy

 

I've been following the Sox system for a long time and I've been following Owens since he was drafted in 2011. Everything I remember from him had him in the 88-90 range, even when I saw him in Portland 3 years ago he was throwing around 89 the whole game and hit 91 a couple times. He's hit 92-93 on the gun in the past when he's really reached back but he's pitching right where he always has. His velocity can play up because it has deception, but it all goes out the window when he can't spot the fastball, as we've seen before.

[Slasher9]

The thing about Owens that is so puzzling is that he had reports when he was in the low minors of throwing mid 90s. By the time he heads north and makes his debut last yr, he was barely touching 90. This year, he is barely hitting 88. Is he slowing it down intentionally to gain command? If so, it isn't really working. His command is awful both in and out of the zone. He is not a big league starter on a good team. He is at best a AAAA guy

 

thats ok. we will just have him pitch to the NYY.

[Jack Flap]

You missed it. LOL There is not much love for Buchholz here and very little patience for him. Most people did not want his option picked up, despite it being a no brainer.

Hey Kimmi,

 

Just found this reply, and fair enough... I was going off what I read in this thread (where most of the responses seemed proportionate and reasonable), but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Clay hasn't exactly been the homecoming king around here historically.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

thats ok. we will just have him pitch to the NYY.

 

Clay's career #'s vs. the Yanks

 

W-L ERA WHIP BAA OBP SLG OPS

 

5-9 6.24 1.659 .304 .369 .529 .897

 

As usual, you don't think before you post.

[Dojji]

And you should read. He was clearly referring to Henry Owens.

[Hugh2]

And you should read. He was clearly referring to Henry Owens.

 

If this is the same "babe" who followed over from the BDC boards....you will learn he doesn't read much. He's a Yankee troll.

[SoxnCycles]

Clay's career #'s vs. the Yanks

 

W-L ERA WHIP BAA OBP SLG OPS

 

5-9 6.24 1.659 .304 .369 .529 .897

 

As usual, you don't think before you post.

 

Past Yankees are not this year's Yankees, in case you haven't noticed.

 

We should thank them for helping the Sox out last night though.

[SoxnCycles]

And you should read. He was clearly referring to Henry Owens.

 

Babe tends to start drinking early on days ending with Y.

[Slasher9]

And you should read. He was clearly referring to Henry Owens.

[Hugh2]

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bingo dat!!!!

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

My bad, I simply looked at the thread title.

 

I'll eat my crow.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Looks like Owens' #'s are even better!!

 

W-L ERA WHIP BAA OBP SLG OPS

 

0-2 8.53 1.816 .340 .421 .600 1.021

[Hugh2]

Looks like Owens' #'s are even better!!

 

W-L ERA WHIP BAA OBP SLG OPS

 

0-2 8.53 1.816 .340 .421 .600 1.021

 

yes in 12 innings pitched, I'm sure he's doomed for a lifetime ERA of 8.53 VS the Yankees.

[Kingface]

Looks like Owens' #'s are even better!!

 

W-L ERA WHIP BAA OBP SLG OPS

 

0-2 8.53 1.816 .340 .421 .600 1.021

 

Pretty sure we could get 80 year old Sandy Koufax to sign for us and he'll still beat their pathetic lineup..........

 

That was the point of people saying to pitch Buch or Owens against them dufus. You can live in the past all you want though..........makes you look so much more ridiculous...

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

yes in 12 innings pitched, I'm sure he's doomed for a lifetime ERA of 8.53 VS the Yankees.

 

Agreed, it is a small sample size.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Pretty sure we could get 80 year old Sandy Koufax to sign for us and he'll still beat their pathetic lineup..........

 

That was the point of people saying to pitch Buch or Owens against them dufus. You can live in the past all you want though..........makes you look so much more ridiculous...

 

Them dufus??!!

 

Talk about looking ridiculous!!!

[Kingface]

Them dufus??!!

 

Talk about looking ridiculous!!!

 

Meaning the Yankees......I forgot a comma. Awesome comeback.........

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Meaning the Yankees......I forgot a comma. Awesome comeback.........

 

I'm going to go enjoy some tacos at the beach.

 

Happy Cinco de Mayo!!

[Slasher9]

Looks like Owens' #'s are even better!!

 

W-L ERA WHIP BAA OBP SLG OPS

 

0-2 8.53 1.816 .340 .421 .600 1.021

 

he just pitched 6 innings of 2 run ball v the MFY. do you even watch the games?

[Kimmi]

Hey Kimmi,

 

Just found this reply, and fair enough... I was going off what I read in this thread (where most of the responses seemed proportionate and reasonable), but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Clay hasn't exactly been the homecoming king around here historically.

 

Clay has taken a beating here. I can understand the frustration with him. He is maddening to watch sometimes, especially since we know how good he can be. You would think that with the success that he has when he pitches with conviction that he would have more confidence in himself. He's a tough one to figure out.

[Kimmi]

Babe tends to start drinking early on days ending with Y.

 

LOL I've always liked Babe, aside from the fact that he's a Yankees fan. He's harmless.

 

The thing about Babe is, like Jacko, when he's not trolling, he's actually a very knowledgeable and good poster.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's always had the ten cent head and the million dollar arm. The thing is, his stuff looks pretty pedestrian now. He used to have that mid 90s heat and a knee buckling curve. Now he's more a 2 seamer, cutter kind of guy. He's not as intimidating as he used to be

[Slasher9]

Dang. Looks like Mr. price wants this thread to stay alive.

[mvp 78]

Dang. Looks like Mr. price wants this thread to stay alive.

 

The thread about Clay's option?

[harmony]

Exercising the option was not the problem. Not getting more depth was the problem. Not exercising his option would simply have created another hole (for the full season, not just half) to fix. Guys like Mat Latos, Doug Fister, our very own Rich Hill, Juan Nicasio and Joulys Chacin were available, all of them with varying degrees of upside.

The trade of Wade Miley -- last year's Red Sox leader in innings, starts and wins -- shortly after the David Price signing did not help the pitching depth.

[Slasher9]

The thread about Clay's option?

 

This thread has nothing to do with clays option. The Original post was about David price

[mvp 78]

This thread has nothing to do with clays option. The Original post was about David price

 

No, the original post and thread title said Clay's 2016 option which has nothing to do with Price.

[Slasher9]

No, the original post and thread title said Clay's 2016 option which has nothing to do with Price.

 

post #21 I reveled the truth of the original post.