Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, UtahSox said:

No idea……… Bello+ Godbout+ Justin Gonzalez. Something like that. Doesn’t make sense on BTV but I’m assuming Giants aren’t just looking for salary dump. 

Hell no. 

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Adding $19.3 Narvaez would about even it up for BTV. We'd "save" almost $6M. Maybe ATL would ask for $5-10M. If we did that, maybe we'd swap out Duran for Narvaez, and that would save us on Duran's future arb costs.

Now the Sox are so poor that they need to save on Duran's future ARB costs... 😎

[drewski6]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Now the Sox are so poor that they need to save on Duran's future ARB costs... 😎

And give up Narvaez to do it!

And do what exactly with the savings? Bullpen? Starter? Another noodlebat who can field a position?

[Old Red]

41 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Is Murphy out for all of 2026?

BTV has this:

Story -39.5 (owed $44.2M)

Murphy -18.7 (owed $38.5M)

Adding $19.3 Narvaez would about even it up for BTV. We'd "save" almost $6M. Maybe ATL would ask for $5-10M. If we did that, maybe we'd swap out Duran for Narvaez, and that would save us on Duran's future arb costs.

Not even worth speculating about.🙈

[drewski6]

The pitching and defense model has failed.  Lets look at offense, and this does not mean look at guys who are good defensively who can hit kinda.

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

And give up Narvaez to do it!

And do what exactly with the savings? Bullpen? Starter? Another noodlebat who can field a position?

Need to trade Narvaez, Story AND Duran so that we can take on a parttime Catcher who hasn't hit over 200 since he turned 30 three years ago. 

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

The pitching and defense model has failed.  Lets look at offense, and this does not mean look at guys who are good defensively who can hit kinda.

c - narvaez is fine

1b - all set for the next few years

2b - romy/durbin/don't care it's just 2b

SS - need a longterm solution, probably Arias late 2027, but he's not some franchise savior

3b - find a power bat STAT

rf - all set

cf - all set

lf - get roman healthy

DH - find a power bat STAT

 

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

c - narvaez is fine

1b - all set for the next few years

2b - romy/durbin/don't care it's just 2b

SS - need a longterm solution, probably Arias late 2027, but he's not some franchise savior

3b - find a power bat STAT

rf - all set

cf - all set

lf - get roman healthy

DH - find a power bat STAT

 

Get 3 very good hitters, I dont care where they play.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Need to trade Narvaez, Story AND Duran so that we can take on a parttime Catcher who hasn't hit over 200 since he turned 30 three years ago. 

That was NOT a serious consideration proposal from anyone to be taken seriously.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

That was NOT a serious consideration proposal from anyone to be taken seriously.

According to my watch I was very stressed out a few minutes ago. It may have had to do with worrying about that trade or something else. Hard to say.

[UtahSox]

44 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

c - narvaez is fine

1b - all set for the next few years

2b - romy/durbin/don't care it's just 2b

SS - need a longterm solution, probably Arias late 2027, but he's not some franchise savior

3b - find a power bat STAT

rf - all set

cf - all set

lf - get roman healthy

DH - find a power bat STAT

 

A lot of holes in that lineup. Without logic to improve it. 

1b if he regresses at all will be 35 next year. (You know the age Adames will be when his contract ends) Could be a hole. Could be great

2b ok fine agree

SS massive hole (arias is 2028 producer at earliest) still not close to guaranteed 

3b unicorn to obtain especially since you hate any deals that could be bad in 6 years (won’t obtain anyone)

OF is set barring injuries. 

DH unicorn to obtain especially since you hate any deals that could be bad in 6 years (won’t obtain) 

c- Narvaez pathetically avg 

this lineup F***ing blows can’t wait to be 27-30th in HR’s, runs scored, RBI’s until Arias evidently Justin Gonzalez and all these other guys arrive in 2030. That worked out super well for us last time. Casas, Campbell, Mayer. 
 

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

The pitching and defense model has failed.  Lets look at offense, and this does not mean look at guys who are good defensively who can hit kinda.

Can we make snap judgments too?  The less data, the better!

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Now the Sox are so poor that they need to save on Duran's future ARB costs... 😎

i was thinking the same thing.

[notin]

58 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

c - narvaez is fine

1b - all set for the next few years

2b - romy/durbin/don't care it's just 2b

SS - need a longterm solution, probably Arias late 2027, but he's not some franchise savior

3b - find a power bat STAT

rf - all set

cf - all set

lf - get roman healthy

DH - find a power bat STAT

 

No Mayer?

[Duran Is The Man]

Just now, notin said:

No Mayer?

he's on the IL.

[Sthpaw777]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Yup, we went through all that.  I was wrong

Yeah I didn’t notice all the responses until after I posted.

[Sthpaw777]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

Reportedly Sandovals stuff hasn't looked half bad in his rehab, if he gets some innings up.....I actually think he might surpise people and he has value. 

Agree. If he can have some consistent success over the next month he will have some value at the deadline. Limited I’m sure, but I’ll take a prospect for him. 

[notin]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Is Murphy out for all of 2026?

BTV has this:

Story -39.5 (owed $44.2M)

Murphy -18.7 (owed $38.5M)

Adding $19.3 Narvaez would about even it up for BTV. We'd "save" almost $6M. Maybe ATL would ask for $5-10M. If we did that, maybe we'd swap out Duran for Narvaez, and that would save us on Duran's future arb costs.

It doesn’t work on BTV, but Atlanta has Murphy (currently on IL) ss backup to Drake Baldwin while Mauricio Dubon starts at SS.  I expect them to try and upgrade over Dubon at some point.

Murphy is owed $30mill over 2 years after 2026.  Story is owed $25mill after 2026.  So Atlanta also saves cash.

If they. Insist on more, walk away.  I wouldn’t give them Duran and Narvaez as well….
 

[Hugh2]

12 minutes ago, Sthpaw777 said:

Yeah I didn’t notice all the responses until after I posted.

I can't tell you how many times I've responded to a post then continue reading to see it was addressed. 

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

It doesn’t work on BTV, but Atlanta has Murphy (currently on IL) ss backup to Drake Baldwin while Mauricio Dubon starts at SS.  I expect them to try and upgrade over Dubon at some point.

Murphy is owed $30mill over 2 years after 2026.  Story is owed $25mill after 2026.  So Atlanta also saves cash.

If they. Insist on more, walk away.  I wouldn’t give them Duran and Narvaez as well….
 

Well obviously if it doesn’t work on BTV it won’t work.🙈

[drewski6]

21 minutes ago, notin said:

Can we make snap judgments too?  The less data, the better!

Our pitching is good, our defense is good, we are in last place.  I saw it coming.  So did many others.  Now we are well into this season, and so far the results have matched expectations.

There are 3 types of teams in the mlb:
Teams with a top 3 offense
Teams looking to improve their offense
Jokes

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, notin said:

No Mayer?

Is he the longterm solution somewhere? IDK? It doesn't feel like it. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Our pitching is good, our defense is good, we are in last place.  I saw it coming.  So did many others.  Now we are well into this season, and so far the results have matched expectations.

There are 3 types of teams in the mlb:
Teams with a top 3 offense
Teams looking to improve their offense
Jokes

Who do you include after LAD and NYY? Nats? MIL? Pirates are 4th in runs. 

[drewski6]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Who do you include after LAD and NYY? Nats? MIL? Pirates are 4th in runs. 

Talking averages and not specifics, lol

[drewski6]

a) Elite offense, b) working towards elite offense, c) trying to fool yourself (and others) that with enough plate discipline (walks) and pitching and d, we can maybe climb out of the gutter.

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Talking averages and not specifics, lol

There are a few types of teams in THE MLB:

1. Teams with offenses that can score runs

B. Teams with offenses that can score runs sometimes

Other. 👽

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Is he the longterm solution somewhere? IDK? It doesn't feel like it. 

Nobody is a longterm solution at any particular postion.  Dont care about where anybody plays.

Keepers:
Abreu: 

Cedanne (but will play him at 2b/ss, dont care, and think nothing of it)

Guys who will be given chance after chance at lest next 2-3 years
Anthony (DH)
Mayer

Not looking to move but will entertain offers
Contreras
Duran

Give me a LF, I have a spot for him. GIve me a DH I have a spot for him.  Give me a player who is a bat first but can field any position so/so - I can find a spot for him

The problem is we keep trying to improve the offense but with conditions, and then those conditions wind up not being much of an improvement but just a positional alignment shuffle......

Liek Moon: I am willing to fix the offense! Thats why im willing to trade abreu for paredes and a lefty pen pitcher and a prospect. You know, we really need that lefty pen arm

Um, you just got worse offensively.

OR 

We need a good hitter, but he needs to play 3b and do it well.  Good luck with that.  We need multiple top 25 mlb hitters....and when someone gets like this, it gets too specific and too many boxes and we end up compromising on the one thing we are trying to improve....thats how we wound up talking into durbin.

Give me 3 guys with OPS+ of at least 115, and ill find a spot for all 3.  ANd I care 0 what position they play.

Fix the offense.  Not fix the offense withotu making the defense worse.  Or fix the offense but while trying to be super budget efficient ("we cant get a DH cuz then we are wasting Masa's money")

Fix the offense.  Thtas the priority.  Not fix the offense but only if....

[drewski6]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

There are a few types of teams in THE MLB:

1. Teams with offenses that can score runs

B. Teams with offenses that can score runs sometimes

Other. 👽

if thats the alien from cool borders 2, I would argue that he can put up points.

[drewski6]

3 hitters with OPS+ of 115 or better.

[notin]

15 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Our pitching is good, our defense is good, we are in last place.  I saw it coming.  So did many others.  Now we are well into this season, and so far the results have matched expectations.

There are 3 types of teams in the mlb:
Teams with a top 3 offense
Teams looking to improve their offense
Jokes

Toronto rode that 27th ranked offense and third ranked defense to the World Series last year….