Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[a700hitter]

Another season where our GM was neither a buyer or a seller.  Another GM with no balls.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, harmony said:

If the package of Franklin Arias, Jhostynxon Garcia and Payton Tolle was not enough, subbing Connelly Early for Tolle and adding Kristian Campbell would be unlikely to get the job done.

The frugal Minnesota Twins would likely shy away from the guaranteed $59 million owed Campbell.

Hard to know how teams value Campbell.

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, a700hitter said:

Another season where our GM was neither a buyer or a seller.  Another GM with no balls.

No deadline balls, but Bloom never made a trade like Crochet (or Sale.)

[Maxbialystock]

31 minutes ago, a700hitter said:

Another season where our GM was neither a buyer or a seller.  Another GM with no balls.

You need a course in anatomy because thinking with your balls is a losing proposition.

The Sox already sold Devers to the Giants.  How did that go?

As for buying, I would have loved to have seen Breslow get a terrific starter.  So would the rest of the known universe want their CBO's to do the same thing.  And guess how many teams want to fork over a great starter?

Tonight the Sox played their 4th Division leader in about two weeks, and their record against them now stands at 5-5.  So just maybe this team is good enough with the guys they kept plus the 2 guys they acquired.  

 

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

You need a course in anatomy because thinking with your balls is a losing proposition.

The Sox already sold Devers to the Giants.  How did that go?

As for buying, I would have loved to have seen Breslow get a terrific starter.  So would the rest of the known universe want their CBO's to do the same thing.  And guess how many teams want to fork over a great starter?

Tonight the Sox played their 4th Division leader in about two weeks, and their record against them now stands at 5-5.  So just maybe this team is good enough with the guys they kept plus the 2 guys they acquired.  

 

What a game baseball is, huh?

We do still have a nice team. I get the point about the high cost of SP'ers, but not finding some cheap platoon bat for 1B is a real headscratcher.

Nothing to do with anatomy.

 

[Duran Is The Man]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Down here in HOU, I'm hearing how Crane identifies who he wants and gets him 90% of the time. They mentioned missing out of Josh Hader, one year, but then signing him that winter.

You need a guy: you do what it takes to get him.

We need Ryan more than we need 4 OF'er (and Password knocking on the 4th OF'er door.)

i've been at Constellation Park all week watching Tacoma and the SPace Cowboys. will be at the game again tomorrow. and maybe Sunday.

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, a700hitter said:

Another season where our GM was neither a buyer or a seller.  Another GM with no balls.

or brains.

 

[Hitch]

6 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

The package for Ryan was Tolle, Arias, Garcia+

honestly, if the Twins said no I don’t blame Breslow from walking away.  FWIW no one was able to trade for Ryan, as a matter of fact a lot of the high end starters I thought might be available didn’t go anywhere at the deadline.

i don’t want a GM/POBO who makes a move just to make a headline, if the price was really that high, so high a lot of other teams weren’t trading for elite starting pitching, then I can forgive.

but there were 1b/C who went at the deadline who would have been upgrades, and weren’t going to cost you Tolle.  Are they banking on Cambell coming back up soon?

If that's true I definitely have no issue with Bres walking away.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The 3-4-5 batters are called the Heart of the Order. 

Right in the middle is the clean-up man, and if you watched last night's game til the end, you know you were just hoping the top of the order could keep the rally going so our Number Four batter could clear the bases...

Honest Abe Toro, with 5 home runs, batting Fourth for the playoff-bound Red Sox. At least his .393 slugging percentage is higher than anyone in the starting line-up born in the Far East.

Did anyone else suspect Cora was sending a message to the front office with his line-up card, the day after the trade deadline?

[Hugh2]

It was nice to see the Yankees deadline acquisitions blow up melt down and lose them a game.

cashmans balls just got deflated.

[Hugh2]

35 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The 3-4-5 batters are called the Heart of the Order. 

Right in the middle is the clean-up man, and if you watched last night's game til the end, you know you were just hoping the top of the order could keep the rally going so our Number Four batter could clear the bases...

Honest Abe Toro, with 5 home runs, batting Fourth for the playoff-bound Red Sox. At least his .393 slugging percentage is higher than anyone in the starting line-up born in the Far East.

Did anyone else suspect Cora was sending a message to the front office with his line-up card, the day after the trade deadline?

No, I think he was playing match ups like he loves to do. He then pinch hit for Toro when a lefty came in.

while he’s taking a step back, for about a month Toro was hitting RHP.  

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

No, I think he was playing match ups like he loves to do. He then pinch hit for Toro when a lefty came in.

while he’s taking a step back, for about a month Toro was hitting RHP.  

That's fair, you're probably right. AC always supports his guys, but at the same time I sometimes think he makes a point to show the world that this is the roster he's been given.

[Bellhorn04]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Vs LHPs, Romy would have played at 2B or 3B (Bregman out) and Ref in RF, as before.

Bregman has been back since July 11.  Do the games since then not count?  

Devers's hitting since he got traded would have helped very, very little.  

[Hugh2]

8 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

That's fair, you're probably right. AC always supports his guys, but at the same time I sometimes think he makes a point to show the world that this is the roster he's been given.

Well, it’s the roster he’s been given, and he has to play these guys.  So that actually makes a lot of sense.  

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I was actually fine with the inactivity.  I didn't want them to trade prospects for mid-season rentals in a season where they are not a realy WS contender. I also didn't want them to trade productive players in a season where they are in the playoff hunt.  As someone mentioned here getting these young players playoff experience would be a good season.  

[dannycater]

.596 is the best winning percentage in MLB right now-Brewers. Tigers falling apart and still lead AL tied with Blue Jays at .577...Sox are .541 with I guess lesser overall talent, so Sox are still in a race for playoffs, race for WS title. It's so up in the air even after a quiet Deadline, Devers trade, Mayer injury, Campbell slumped out off roster..hard to not like the '25 Sox with Bregman, Crochet, Anthony, Duran, Narvaez, Chapman, Story playing like a real leader last few months too...Go Sox!

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Story has been very good at SS but they need more from his bat. At this point in time I have to believe this is who he is and it's not nearly enough,  

[Hugh2]

19 minutes ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

Story has been very good at SS but they need more from his bat. At this point in time I have to believe this is who he is and it's not nearly enough,  

Story atrocious start is still suppressing his overall stat line.

since June 1st he’s batting .290 with a 130 WRC+ and an .853 ops

and 7th in the AL in RBIs overall.  

his offense is great, just need him to stay healthy.  My only would be if he could only walk a bit more.

 

[Bellhorn04]

6 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Story atrocious start is still suppressing his overall stat line.

since June 1st he’s batting .290 with a 130 WRC+ and an .853 ops

and 7th in the AL in RBIs overall.  

his offense is great, just need him to stay healthy.  My only would be if he could only walk a bit more.

 

He has really had some big and timely hits, too.  

[Maxbialystock]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The 3-4-5 batters are called the Heart of the Order. 

Right in the middle is the clean-up man, and if you watched last night's game til the end, you know you were just hoping the top of the order could keep the rally going so our Number Four batter could clear the bases...

Honest Abe Toro, with 5 home runs, batting Fourth for the playoff-bound Red Sox. At least his .393 slugging percentage is higher than anyone in the starting line-up born in the Far East.

Did anyone else suspect Cora was sending a message to the front office with his line-up card, the day after the trade deadline?

Meh.  The Sox are playing their 4th Division leader in 2+ weeks and are 5-5 (1-2 @ Cubs, 1-2 @ Phillies, 2-1 Dodgers, and 1-0 Astros)--which includes last night's win.  You seem to think the Sox lost.  

Sox rbi leaders, both at 75 rbi's, are Duran and Rafaela.  Duran has led off most of the season, and Rafaela has stayed near the bottom of the order.  Last night the Sox two rbi's were by Anthony in the 1 spot and Abreu batting 8th..  

I personally would not have batted Toro 4th, but I trust Cora's lineups.  

I would be delighted if Devers were our first baseman, but he chose not to do that.  Now he's at the Giants, who have basically collapsed since his arrival.  

 

[Maxbialystock]

17 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

He has really had some big and timely hits, too.  

 

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

What a game baseball is, huh?

We do still have a nice team. I get the point about the high cost of SP'ers, but not finding some cheap platoon bat for 1B is a real headscratcher.

Nothing to do with anatomy.

 

I suppose.  

[Bellhorn04]

 I think they're hoping Campbell can take over 1B.

[Jasonbay44]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

 I think they're hoping Campbell can take over 1B.

He’s looked good with the bat again. Hopefully his 1B defense is good.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, Jasonbay44 said:

He’s looked good with the bat again. Hopefully his 1B defense is good.

If he comes back and hits, this offense could really be fun to watch.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Bregman has been back since July 11.  Do the games since then not count?  

Devers's hitting since he got traded would have helped very, very little.  

That wasn't my point. The point was that Romy still would have played somewhere had we not traded Devers- not so for Toro, except when Bregman was hurt.

Had Devers played 1B, there would be no room for Toro, except at 3B or 1B due to injury or maybe rest games.

[Maxbialystock]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

That's fair, you're probably right. AC always supports his guys, but at the same time I sometimes think he makes a point to show the world that this is the roster he's been given.

This roster is now 5-5  in 2+ weeks against four Division leaders.  The pitching staff is statistically as good as the 2018 Sox.  Both were/are ranked 8th in MLB in team ERA and both had/have team ERA's of 3.74.  

Also, if you will recall, Casas was our first baseman, but took the horrible risk of running to 1b--just like last year when he unwisely swung a baseball bat.  That's when Breslow tried to get Devers to play 1b, but he refused--and was sent to the Giants. 

This is definitely a competitive roster despite both Casas and Devers both cashing out.  

 

 

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

That wasn't my point. The point was that Romy still would have played somewhere had we not traded Devers- not so for Toro, except when Bregman was hurt.

Had Devers played 1B, there would be no room for Toro, except at 3B or 1B due to injury or maybe rest games.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.  The fault lies with Casas and Devers far more than with Breslow.  

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

 I think they're hoping Campbell can take over 1B.

It's our only hope for 1B, unless Toro has another hot streak in him. (His last one was not as long as it seemed.)

I broke down his OPS into 4 sections:

.638 in 1298 career PAs before 2025. Many times, I discount a players first 300-600 PAs due to the "learning curve," but it would barely change Toro's number. (He was .657 in his first 561 PAs, so he actually got worse in 2022 to 2023.)

.538 in first 26 PAs of 2025

1.031 in next 69 PAs

.576 last 139 PAs (by far, the largest sample size of my 3 picked samples for 2025.)

Here are some other breakdowns of 2025:

.928 after 95 PAs (27 games)

.576 in last 139 (37 games)

Half and half?

.835 first 32 games

.572 last 32 games

Breaking down those last 139 PAs,, is he getting worse or not?

.595 in 68 PAs (from game 27 to 45)

.478 in 67 PAs 9from game 45 to last night) This is Wong or DHam bad.

I have nothing against Toro. He filled a big need at 1B and 3B, this year. He is what he is, and we should and must do better at 1B.

Romy is doing great, but he's a RHB like Campbell, and we have a hole at 2B with Mayer's injury, so Campbell needs to start playing 1B FT, starting yesterday!

 

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.  The fault lies with Casas and Devers far more than with Breslow.  

Casas and Devers forced the need for Toro to play 1B. The Bregman injury forced him to play some 3B, since Mayer was not called up, right away.

Keeping Toro playing, while he cannot hit is on Cora and Brez. It's not about assigning blame, to me: it's about fixing the problem, now, with the best options we have in our system, now that the deadline in passed and nobody on the waiver wire looks better than Campbell.

[moonslav59]

I realize, now, that my anger over the lack of significant moves at the deadline caused me to vent. I still think we had some minor pieces we could have parted with to get a better platoon 1Bman and could have added a mid level prospect or two to get a better pitcher than May and or Matz, but as I said before the deadline, we only have two major weak areas (I think 1 but maybe 2 moderate ones.)

1. solid SP

2. 1B platoon

3. RP

4. maybe back-up C

We slightly improved on #1 and #3, but my view today is, we still have 2 weak areas. ONLY 2 significant weak areas. That's really not all that bad.

Other teams, even some who made some major moves, still have 2 or more weak areas, as well. Maybe the sky is not falling, afterall.