Article: BREAKING: Rafael Devers Traded To San Francisco Giants

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, jad said:

Yeah, just like the bosses in other industries, right?  How dare employees suggest they have any rights?

They have rights. If they don't like the rules they can find work elsewhere. That is the choice I was given when I was TOLD I was transferring to another more distant facility. They DO NOT have the right as players to tell management where they will or will not play.

[harmony]

According to Baseball Trade Values, the trade was a heist for the Red Sox:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/190454

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The message to the players is this: it’s a team sport and your job is to do what’s best for the TEAM as determined by management. “Me first” isn’t going to be tolerated.

I agree, and it seems like they didn't even bother to ask or tell Devers to play 1B, They just chose to move on from him.

[Randy Red Sox]

33 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

Yes, we have to look at the positives and  negatives.

On the positive side, Devers is currently a very productive hitter who has great hand-eye coordination. But as a DH that's what he brings and I don't believe he has ever been a leader in the clubhouse. 

On the negative side, he is getting $30 mil/year to be a DH. He is on a long term contract and he swings at a lot of balls out of the zone. My question is what happens when his natural talents are eroded with age.

Clearly there has been friction between Devers and the front office. Has that become a distraction in the clubhouse?

I am surprised by the trade but not shocked by it. The Sox appear to be rebuilding around some really talented players, some already in the majors and some knocking on the door. Perhaps Devers didn't fit well enough on a long term basis.

with Mayer and Anthony already in Boston what prospects are knocking on the door?

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

“Trading Mookie allows us to keep Xander and Raffy!”

☠️

LOL

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

I would agree if in fact it was best for the team.  But it absolutely was not.  Toro and Gonzalez have been excellent at 1band way better than Casas was.  His injury was a blessing for the team.  Meanwhil, Devers was having a career year at the plate as DH.  That's why Breslow couldn't convince Cora to tell Devers he should play 1b.  

You keep assuming Casas was going to hit .550 the rest of the season.

Also, when the talk of Devers playing 1B began, which was actually before this year, but let's go with the day Casas got hurt, we did not know Toro-Romy as a viable solution. Devers was a clear option to play 1B, despite your belief that he'd suck there. His glove and range were not the issue at 3B; it was his arm.

It's all moot, now.

I still bet we see Casas as the 2026 1Bman- not Toro-Romy, but we may trade Casas by then.

[mvp 78]

[jad]

30 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Absolutely! Breslow should have TOLD Cora that the discussion must happen no matter how uncomfortable it might be. If he refused he should be fired. If Devers then refused to play where he was told to play he sits or gets traded. 
Chain of command…..

Yes siree.  Because businesses should be like the military!!  And when you are told to do something by ANYONE higher in the organization than you, then you must  DO it!  Period.   (Wasn't this argument used to great effect at Nuremberg?)

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, harmony said:

According to Baseball Trade Values, the trade was a heist for the Red Sox:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/190454

So?

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

if so, then Cora is a worse manager than i thought. Raffy has been awful at third for years. Cora should have had him working out at 1B -at least in spring training- years ago. 

I've wanted Devers to try 1B for over 3 years. Is it Cora's fault? Maybe. Bloom and Brez's fault? Maybe. Devers fault? maybe. Everyone's fault? Likely.

Now, it's all water under the Tobin Bridge.

[Maxbialystock]

12 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Absolutely! Breslow should have TOLD Cora that the discussion must happen no matter how uncomfortable it might be. If he refused he should be fired. If Devers then refused to play where he was told to play he sits or gets traded. 
Chain of command…..

 Breslow was dead wrong and Cora knew it.  Devers, after losing his beloved (for 8 years) 3b position, did what Cora told him and embraced the DH position, where he has thrived.

Meanwhile, replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world because he was having a bad year.  Toro and Gonzalez have both been much better.  

The chain of command is not as inflexible as you make it sound.  Cora had good reasons for wanting Devers to stay as the DH--he was having a career year as DH and replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world.  And he was proved right because, even with the loss on May 23d of the Sox best player, Bregman, the Sox have persevered and are back to 1 above .500 without him.  

Meanwhile, Breslow had the option of trading Devers, and he did.  We will certainly miss his bat, but, as moonslav has said, his salary can now be put to better use.  

 

[moonslav59]

If this happened during the winter, we could expect immediate spending of the money "saved."

The timing is all off.

Plus, now we will be hearing Red say, "See, big deals can be made in May and June" forever and ever.

Damn!

(LOL)

 

[Deja Doh]

Harrison minutes away from starting for the Giants on National TV tonight when he's told he's been traded.  And not only has he been traded, the Red Sox optioned him to the minors.  What the heck.

[Randy Red Sox]

Just now, Maxbialystock said:

 Breslow was dead wrong and Cora knew it.  Devers, after losing his beloved (for 8 years) 3b position, did what Cora told him and embraced the DH position, where he has thrived.

Meanwhile, replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world because he was having a bad year.  Toro and Gonzalez have both been much better.  

The chain of command is not as inflexible as you make it sound.  Cora had good reasons for wanting Devers to stay as the DH--he was having a career year as DH and replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world.  And he was proved right because, even with the loss on May 23d of the Sox best player, Bregman, the Sox have persevered and are back to 1 above .500 without him.  

Meanwhile, Breslow had the option of trading Devers, and he did.  We will certainly miss his bat, but, as moonslav has said, his salary can now be put to better use.  

 

If you think Henry is going to spend a lot of that money to improve the team I have property to sell you. The big piece in the deal Kyle Harrison has already been optioned to AAA. Henry wants this team built 90% with low priced young talent. When these guys get to the point they need to be paid they will be traded. Just ask Mookie, Sale, and Devers.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

 Breslow was dead wrong and Cora knew it.  Devers, after losing his beloved (for 8 years) 3b position, did what Cora told him and embraced the DH position, where he has thrived.

Meanwhile, replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world because he was having a bad year.  Toro and Gonzalez have both been much better.  

The chain of command is not as inflexible as you make it sound.  Cora had good reasons for wanting Devers to stay as the DH--he was having a career year as DH and replacing Casas was the easiest thing in the world.  And he was proved right because, even with the loss on May 23d of the Sox best player, Bregman, the Sox have persevered and are back to 1 above .500 without him.  

Meanwhile, Breslow had the option of trading Devers, and he did.  We will certainly miss his bat, but, as moonslav has said, his salary can now be put to better use.  

 

 

12 minutes ago, harmony said:

According to Baseball Trade Values, the trade was a heist for the Red Sox:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/190454

Harmony, thanks. I don't have access to BTV, so can you let us Sox fans know what Sox prospects or young players have the value of the guys we got back (about $20M value.)

Thanks. Maybe this will explain some of the reasoning to Sox fans who have an idea of what our young players are worth.

 

[illinoisredsox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Those eye rolls were telling.

Cora not even daring to ask Devers to play 1B was too, if we believe what many say happened and did not happen.

I really liked Devers. He looked like a kid who really loved playing the game. He produced like no other Sox player since the Betts and JD days. That may not be saying much, since we've had a pretty weak team with a revolving door of guys names Renfroe, Duvall, O'Neill & Turner.

This is truly amazing, shocking and a bit scary.

The kid who loved to play and was always smiling hasn’t been seen since Bogaerts left.  You seldom saw him happy any more.  As someone else pointed out, he sat by himself in the dugout; you never (or almost never) saw him interacting with other players.  
 

Who knows, there may have been issues in the clubhouse that we’ll never know about (nor should we).  Not saying there were, not saying there wasn’t.  Thems that know don’t talk and thems that talk don’t know.

 

[Maxbialystock]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I've wanted Devers to try 1B for over 3 years. Is it Cora's fault? Maybe. Bloom and Brez's fault? Maybe. Devers fault? maybe. Everyone's fault? Likely.

Now, it's all water under the Tobin Bridge.

Agree it's water under the Tobin Bridge.   

Maybe 1b was a better position for Devers, but what I'm seeing right now is that firstbasemen need to develop a good sense for when to go after a grounder and when to cover 1b.  Plus grabbing 95% of those short hop throws to 1b.  Plus tossing the ball to a running pitcher.   Christian tried it, but is back at 2b.  We'll just have to see how the Giants use Devers. 

Mookie Betts is a much better all around athlete than Devers, plus most of his development was as an infielder.  He moved to RF because that's what the Sox needed.  Now the Dodgers need him at SS, where he is doing well (but not hitting well).  

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

If you think Henry is going to spend a lot of that money to improve the team I have property to sell you. The big piece in the deal Kyle Harrison has already been optioned to AAA. Henry wants this team built 90% with low priced young talent. When these guys get to the point they need to be paid they will be traded. Just ask Mookie, Sale, and Devers.

I'm not sure even Nostraldumbass can predict what JH will spend, but I won't be surprised if he does or does not spend to the tax line, this coming winter.

[Maxbialystock]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If this happened during the winter, we could expect immediate spending of the money "saved."

The timing is all off.

Plus, now we will be hearing Red say, "See, big deals can be made in May and June" forever and ever.

Damn!

(LOL)

 

I was afraid you were going to say that.  

[Deja Doh]

If the Red Sox had traded Devers to, let's say, the Angels for Mike Trout, I can get with that.  Trout in Fenway would be a monster get.  But for ???, umm, nobody? Nah.  Bad trade.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

If you think Henry is going to spend a lot of that money to improve the team I have property to sell you. The big piece in the deal Kyle Harrison has already been optioned to AAA. Henry wants this team built 90% with low priced young talent. When these guys get to the point they need to be paid they will be traded. Just ask Mookie, Sale, and Devers.

But they were going to spend 700M on Soro for sure!

[Maxbialystock]

3 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

The kid who loved to play and was always smiling hasn’t been seen since Bogaerts left.  You seldom saw him happy any more.  As someone else pointed out, he sat by himself in the dugout; you never (or almost never) saw him interacting with other players.  
 

Who knows, there may have been issues in the clubhouse that we’ll never know about (nor should we).  Not saying there were, not saying there wasn’t.  Thems that know don’t talk and thems that talk don’t know.

 

Well said.  I'd forgotten that.  I've defended Devers til the cows come home, but I am not distraught at this move even though timing is painful.  The Sox seemed to be really jelling, whether or no Devers was happy or talking it up with his teammates.  

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, illinoisredsox said:

The kid who loved to play and was always smiling hasn’t been seen since Bogaerts left.  You seldom saw him happy any more.  As someone else pointed out, he sat by himself in the dugout; you never (or almost never) saw him interacting with other players.  
 

Who knows, there may have been issues in the clubhouse that we’ll never know about (nor should we).  Not saying there were, not saying there wasn’t.  Thems that know don’t talk and thems that talk don’t know.

 

Well said, Illi.

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, notin said:

No.  They had to fire Cora and get a manager who, well, manages his players…

Francona couldn't manage Nomar in 2004.  

[Larry Cook]

Harrison to Worcester. Penrod is DFA 

crazy day 

[harmony]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

 

Harmony, thanks. I don't have access to BTV, so can you let us Sox fans know what Sox prospects or young players have the value of the guys we got back (about $20M value.)

Thanks. Maybe this will explain some of the reasoning to Sox fans who have an idea of what our young players are worth.

I don't have a paid subscription to many BTV features, but could access these values without paying:

Jordan Hicks: negative $18.5 million

Kyle Harrison: $10.9 million

James Tibbs $9.1 million

Jose Bello: $400,000

TOTAL: $1.9 million

Rafael Devers: negative $40.3 million

 

[illinoisredsox]

5 minutes ago, Deja Doh said:

If the Red Sox had traded Devers to, let's say, the Angels for Mike Trout, I can get with that.  Trout in Fenway would be a monster get.  But for ???, umm, nobody? Nah.  Bad trade.

No trade can be evaluated two hours after it happens.  The major piece coming from the Giants is in High A ball.  It’ll  be 2-4 years before the final grade is in.

 

 

[Maxbialystock]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

 

Harmony, thanks. I don't have access to BTV, so can you let us Sox fans know what Sox prospects or young players have the value of the guys we got back (about $20M value.)

Thanks. Maybe this will explain some of the reasoning to Sox fans who have an idea of what our young players are worth.

 

Thanks from me too.  I was thinking exactly that because moonslav pointed out that Devers is in fact overpaid as a DH.  We're going to miss his bat, but our weakness is pitching.  Whoever DH's now won't be as good as Devers, but could be just good enough.   Plus Bregman is due back in July.  

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

That’s not what he said though. 

Not verbatim.  But yes, it is…

[d-money]

25 minutes ago, harmony said:

According to Baseball Trade Values, the trade was a heist for the Red Sox:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/190454

I don’t know where. They’re not getting players that might help now. They’re prospects 

[Larry Cook]

I think many here wanted us to draft tibbs last year.