Mariners (Miller) vs Red Sox (Bello): 4/22/25, 6:45pm

[Hugh2]

6 minutes ago, Nick said:

Really a bad move by not pinch running for Casas with Romy when he was on 2nd.

Cora is a good coach but he's no genius.

This is a winnable game. You got to coach to win.

Or not, Casas with the power

[iortiz]

7 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

Casas finally comes through!!

It’s like a 80’s video game when you have 1% of life and all of the sudden you find a painkiller to recover lol

[jad]

That is as bad an AB as I have ever seen.

[Nick]

Sox with 4 hitters with OPS of .800 or higher. Yankees with 3. Rays with 2. Orioles and Jays with 1 apiece.

[Nick]

Good outing by Whitlock. He's not available Wednesday and Thursday. See who comes out in the 9th.

We need bullpen help.

[Nick]

Good move by Cora coming right back with Hendriks. He needs to pitch.

[moonslav59]

Nice game, for sure. Good to see Casas with a dinger and Rafaela get on base 3 times. 

Bello got the job done, and the last 3 RP'ers were pretty much lights out.

Hey, and this was a winning team we beat. NYY, BAL, TBR & TOR all lost!

The Sox are a half game from 1st place:

14-10 NYY

14-11 BOS

12-12 TOR

9-13 BAL

9-14 TBR

We have the 5th best record in the AL and hold the second WC berth, 25 games into the season (just over 15% of the games.)

Not bad, considering our D has sucked, 3 of our top 6 SP'ers are on the IL, not counting Sandoval, and a bunch of players we were counting on have been in slumps.

[mvp 78]

Next time Casas hits a HR that reaches the first row, I'd like him to not be watching it from the batter's box. That's all. 

[Old Red]

40 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Next time Casas hits a HR that reaches the first row, I'd like him to not be watching it from the batter's box. That's all. 

Maybe he thought he had just taken one of his imaginary swings, and didn’t need to run.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Maybe he thought he had just taken one of his imaginary swings, and didn’t need to run.

Maybe he thought that if it wasnt out of the park he was going to get thrown out at first, regardless

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

12 hours ago, iortiz said:

It’s like a 80’s video game when you have 1% of life and all of the sudden you find a painkiller to recover lol

.... surrounded by alien ships shooting lasers, the Defender pushes his last smartbomb and obliterates the threat.

[Bellhorn04]

Good to see Bello's lucky rabbit paw is still working.  That's not a knock - he just seems to have a knack of getting good run support. 

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Good to see Bello's lucky rabbit paw is still working.  That's not a knock - he just seems to have a knack of getting good run support. 

That slider he threw to k Arozarena could be named the rabbit's paw. Arozarena looked like he was shocked he missed it. 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Bello's 5 innings of one run pitching was a good thing. However, I've rarely seen it done so pedestrian like.

 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Bello's 5 innings of one run pitching was a good thing. However, I've rarely seen it done so pedestrian like.

He's a pitch to contact guy (71% GB rate last night) that is better when limiting walks than striking guys out. I can see how it would come across as pedestrian at times. The first inning was rough. He put two on in the 5th. He ultimately was able to stay away from the big inning, which he was unable to do last year many times.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He's a pitch to contact guy (71% GB rate last night) that is better when limiting walks than striking guys out. I can see how it would come across as pedestrian at times. The first inning was rough. He put two on in the 5th. He ultimately was able to stay away from the big inning, which he was unable to do last year many times.

Agree he was more mature on the mound than in seasons past.

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Agree he was more mature on the mound than in seasons past.

It was just one start, but overall it was promising. 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It was just one start, but overall it was promising. 

True.

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[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Bello's 5 innings of one run pitching was a good thing. However, I've rarely seen it done so pedestrian like.

 

Making it look ho-hum, is not a bad thing, though, is it?

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Making it look ho-hum, is not a bad thing, though, is it?

It wasn’t ho hum with all the runners and high pitch count.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It wasn’t ho hum with all the runners and high pitch count.

4 hits in 5 IP is decent. 3BB is not, granted. Nobody is writing home about a 1.40 WHIP, but that pitching performance looked about as ho hum as can be, as in "so-so." 

[Hitch]

Whatever you want to call it - it was a pretty decent first outing after a late start to the season through injury.

[mvp 78]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

4 hits in 5 IP is decent. 3BB is not, granted. Nobody is writing home about a 1.40 WHIP, but that pitching performance looked about as ho hum as can be, as in "so-so." 

4 H, 3BB, plus 2 HBP (which aren't counted as BB's). That's 9 men on in 5 innings in 97 pitches. 

1st inning: Lead off HR, loaded the bases with a walk and 2 HBP

2-4: zero clean innings

5th inning: Had 2 runners on and Arozarena up when he got out of the inning. Not sure how many people were confident in Bello at that point, but he was NOT locating well. He made a good pitch and got out of it. 

The fact that WHIP doesn't include HBP, is kind of ridiculous. I guess it's treated like an error? 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The fact that WHIP doesn't include HBP, is kind of ridiculous. I guess it's treated like an error? 

And H in both acronyms stands for Hit... this is why so many old bucks avoid the metric system.

Speaking of errors, any runs scored because of a fielding error by a pitcher should go against his ERA. He's playing the pitcher position, and should be charged for any runs he personally gives up. A run scored by a pitcher error or a bases-loaded walk are each the result of mistakes, and both are his responsibility.

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

And H in both acronyms stands for Hit... this is why so many old bucks avoid the metric system.

Speaking of errors, any runs scored because of a fielding error by a pitcher should go against his ERA. He's playing the pitcher position, and should be charged for any runs he personally gives up. A run scored by a pitcher error or a bases-loaded walk are each the result of mistakes, and both are his responsibility.

I agree wholeheartedly about pitcher errors. 

[moonslav59]

58 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

4 H, 3BB, plus 2 HBP (which aren't counted as BB's). That's 9 men on in 5 innings in 97 pitches. 

1st inning: Lead off HR, loaded the bases with a walk and 2 HBP

2-4: zero clean innings

5th inning: Had 2 runners on and Arozarena up when he got out of the inning. Not sure how many people were confident in Bello at that point, but he was NOT locating well. He made a good pitch and got out of it. 

The fact that WHIP doesn't include HBP, is kind of ridiculous. I guess it's treated like an error? 

Good point. I forgot about the 2 HBPs. I guess WHHBPIP is too cumbersome.

 

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

And H in both acronyms stands for Hit... this is why so many old bucks avoid the metric system.

Speaking of errors, any runs scored because of a fielding error by a pitcher should go against his ERA. He's playing the pitcher position, and should be charged for any runs he personally gives up. A run scored by a pitcher error or a bases-loaded walk are each the result of mistakes, and both are his responsibility.

I disagree. ERA tries to measure pitching not fielding.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

42 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I disagree. ERA tries to measure pitching not fielding.

Ok, but fielding is part of playing the pitcher position.

I do like how you said ERA "tries" to measure... ex: reliever comes in and immediately serves up a meatball that finds a gap and scores an inherited baserunner all the way from 1st. Who gave up the run?

I just have no tolerance for brutal throwing Es from a guy whose very job is to be the most accurate thrower in the ballpark. "I pitched great -- only one run scored on my own error," said the baseball player playing the pitcher position.

When we were kids, it was reassuring to know the best player was always smack-dab in the middle of the diamond. And everyone on the pick-up teams had set positions: Billy Dee Williams was the pitcher, James Earl Jones the catcher, Richard Pryor the right fielder, etc.

[mvp 78]

20 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Ok, but fielding is part of playing the pitcher position.

I do like how you said ERA "tries" to measure... ex: reliever comes in and immediately serves up a meatball that finds a gap and scores an inherited baserunner all the way from 1st. Who gave up the run?

Right, like the starter is better by ERA if the reliever gets the starter's guys out, but worse if the reliever lets everyone in. 

But we must listen to THE MLB on this: Earned runs is the key counting statistic used in ERA, the most widely accepted barometer of a pitcher's success.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Right, like the starter is better by ERA if the reliever gets the starter's guys out, but worse if the reliever lets everyone in. 

But we must listen to THE MLB on this: Earned runs is the key counting statistic used in ERA, the most widely accepted barometer of a pitcher's success.

We don't have to...

Going out on a limb here, noting that some posters have even dismissed traditional stats of evaluation like batting average, runs batted in, and wins (notice I didn't save saves for last).