A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I

[Randy Red Sox]

15 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

 

SOX are prioritizing on Bergman when they need a top shelf starter. It's down to Burnes and Crochet and I believe the SOX get neither. 

sox will be lucky to bring back Pivetta

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i'd sign Burnes but not Bergman.  we already have a 1B and 3B

The idea would be to trade Casas for pitching (like Crochet.) and improve the defense, so the pitching doesn't have to get 4 outs every other inning.

[moonslav59]

I'm feeling really bummed about our 2025 chances. I still like how we are set up for the future, but until we take some plunges to fill some major gaps, as in pitching, we may never reach glory, again.

I've asked this many times, over recent years....

How Soon Is Now?

[harmony]

The Red Sox get the 15th pick in the July 2025 draft:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-2025-draft-lottery-results

... the Sox would have landed the 11th pick under the old pre-lottery system.

 

[harmony]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm feeling really bummed about our 2025 chances. I still like how we are set up for the future, but until we take some plunges to fill some major gaps, as in pitching, we may never reach glory, again.

I've asked this many times, over recent years....

How Soon Is Now?

It’s only December 10.

[moonslav59]

I get the idea that we have some massive talent in the pipeline. Sure, nothing is guaranteed, but we can only play 9 everyday players, at a time.

We need to choose wisely, but we need to choose. 

Choose who to trust and build around, and who to trade to fill other needs. It need not be for a 1 or 2 year player that limits our window. We can trade a few 5 year players for one 3-5 year player and still be about the future, while also making a push for the now.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, harmony said:

It;s only December 10.

I know how to tell time.

I also know when I see the same movie ten times in a row.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

23 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

sox will be lucky to bring back Pivetta

 

2 minutes ago, harmony said:

It;s only December 10.

They'll probably end the off season with Eovaldi and call it a success.

Hell, just let the top 4 prospects start the season. It'll at least raise NESN's poor ratings.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi back to the Rangers 3/75.  Pitching is expensive.

And the Sox are a Rob Deer in the Headlights.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I get the idea that we have some massive talent in the pipeline. Sure, nothing is guaranteed, but we can only play 9 everyday players, at a time.

We need to choose wisely, but we need to choose. 

Choose who to trust and build around, and who to trade to fill other needs. It need not be for a 1 or 2 year player that limits our window. We can trade a few 5 year players for one 3-5 year player and still be about the future, while also making a push for the now.

 

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

 

They'll probably end the off season with Eovaldi and call it a success.

Hell, just let the top 4 prospects start the season. It'll at least raise NESN's poor ratings.

If the SOX decide to leave Devers at third, it's probably just as well they didn't sign Fried. He being a ground ball pitcher.

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, harmony said:

It;s only December 10.

The date doesn't matter much when free agents are signing at such a rapid pace.  Soto, Adames, Fried, Snell, Eovaldi, Severino, and others are already gone.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

They'd have to be pretty lucky to win that one. 

...

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

They'd have to be pretty lucky to win that one. 

I believe the last player they'd won was David Price and look how wonderful that turned out.

[Randy Red Sox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

The idea would be to trade Casas for pitching (like Crochet.) and improve the defense, so the pitching doesn't have to get 4 outs every other inning.

that is not going to happen.  Casas is under control for 4 more seasons and Devers will whne if he is bumped off 3B. I don't trade any of our top 4 prospects for Crochet either. Sign Burnes as he is the only good SP left on the FA market.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Randy Red Sox said:

that is not going to happen.  Casas is under control for 4 more seasons and Devers will whne if he is bumped off 3B. I don't trade any of our top 4 prospects for Crochet either. Sign Burnes as he is the only good SP left on the FA market.

The premise was signing Bregman.... not to play SS.

[Randy Red Sox]

42 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I believe the last player they'd won was David Price and look how wonderful that turned out.

you made your point Splinter--7 times

 

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

you made your point Splinter--7 times

 

I guess JD, Story and Yoshi are mid-level.

[moonslav59]

This is almost reaching comic proportions.

Sox now "putting together a formal offer for Burnes." LMAO!

[a700hitter]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Eovaldi back to the Rangers 3/75.  Pitching is expensive.

And the Sox are a Rob Deer in the Headlights.

It is looking like the last several off seasons where all the big names tick off the board and the Red Sox are sitting with an empty basket and scurry for a few scraps.

[notin]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm feeling really bummed about our 2025 chances. I still like how we are set up for the future, but until we take some plunges to fill some major gaps, as in pitching, we may never reach glory, again.

I've asked this many times, over recent years....

How Soon Is Now?

You do realize it’s December 10th, right?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

 

If the SOX decide to leave Devers at third, it's probably just as well they didn't sign Fried. He being a ground ball pitcher.

I've been typing this point for a month. The Yankees' infield defense isn't any better than Boston's, so good luck with the most expensive lefthander in history.

New York can afford (or isn't afraid) to throw stupid money away. Getting the ghost of Arenado will only help the D for a year or two.

But the only way Breslow and Co. come out of this looking good is if they actually land a swing-and-miss starter -- or two -- to the rotation.

Ya, it's only Dec. 11th, but there's also a limited number of power arms available, unless you want to trade the Number One prospect in baseball or the Minor League Player of the Year...

[Bellhorn04]

6 hours ago, notin said:

You do realize it’s December 10th, right?

You do realize Harmony said that just a few posts before yours, right?

It's not much consolation to those who actually believed the Sox might acquire Soto and/or Fried among others.

Supposedly they're turning to Burnes now but we're already hearing they're not very confident about landing him LOL

The Sox keep coming up short.  Starting to feel kind of habitual... 

[Old Red]

23 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You do realize Harmony said that just a few posts before yours, right?

It's not much consolation to those who actually believed the Sox might acquire Soto and/or Fried among others.

Supposedly they're turning to Burnes now but we're already hearing they're not very confident about landing him LOL

The Sox keep coming up short.  Starting to feel kind of habitual... 

Anyone who actually believed the Red Sox had a chance of landing Soto were not only duped, but bought some rotten cheese Once Again.🤭🙈

[Bellhorn04]

9 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Anyone who actually believed the Red Sox had a chance of landing Soto were not only duped, but bought some rotten cheese Once Again.🤭🙈

The funniest thing (in a sick way) was probably the comments like this I read when the Mets signed Soto: 

"Hey, that means we can sign BOTH Fried and Burnes now!" 

[Bellhorn04]

The Soto "chase" was a colorful distraction, but I'm right back in the state of mind that this Sox organization is spectacularly dysfunctional.  

The offer they made to Fried was reportedly far short of the Yankees bid.  They either have no clue about the market or it's all part of a bizarre exercise to try to fool the fans.

[Randy Red Sox]

17 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The Soto "chase" was a colorful distraction, but I'm right back in the state of mind that this Sox organization is spectacularly dysfunctional.  

The offer they made to Fried was reportedly far short of the Yankees bid.  They either have no clue about the market or it's all part of a bizarre exercise to try to fool the fans.

i say the latter

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You do realize Harmony said that just a few posts before yours, right?

It's not much consolation to those who actually believed the Sox might acquire Soto and/or Fried among others.

Supposedly they're turning to Burnes now but we're already hearing they're not very confident about landing him LOL

The Sox keep coming up short.  Starting to feel kind of habitual... 

To be expected. The only person who should be shocked here is Brock. 

[mvp 78]

36 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The funniest thing (in a sick way) was probably the comments like this I read when the Mets signed Soto: 

"Hey, that means we can sign BOTH Fried and Burnes now!" 

Whatever gets people through the day. 

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

The Soto "chase" was a colorful distraction, but I'm right back in the state of mind that this Sox organization is spectacularly dysfunctional.  

The offer they made to Fried was reportedly far short of the Yankees bid.  They either have no clue about the market or it's all part of a bizarre exercise to try to fool the fans.

They have struggled to understand the "market" ever since the dumb "no pitchers over 30" nonsense. 

[moonslav59]

Word is... Arenado would okay a deal to any of the Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Mets, or Red Sox.

I know the plan for STL is to cut ties and save some money as they rebuild, while trying to stay somewhat entertaining, so including Yoshida in the deal greatly reduces the "savings they are looking for, but I think we have to try and make it work. Either pay as much of Yoshida's deal as necessary or add another decent, but not top 5-6 prospect to the package. 

I have not heard Sonny Gray's name mentioned as trade fodder, but he is a year older and still owed $65M/2. Maybe including him make it happen.

Plan A: Yoshida + $5M a year and 2 from Cespedes, Bleis, Jh Garcia, Meidroth, Fitts or Sandlin for Arenado. (Maybe 2 from Cespedes, Beis and Garcia plus one from the other three.

Plan B: Ask for Arenado & Gray for Yoshida (no money) and Mayer plus one of two from the 6 mentioned above.